From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 14 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni on Neil [ava rosenblum ] Re: Joni on Neil ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 [DonRico1967@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 [] Re: Joni on Neil [Catherine McKay ] Only posts about Joni? [Sami Melillo ] Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG [Catherine McKay ] RE: Only posts about Joni? - LONG [Mags ] Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG [Catherine McKay ] Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG ["Mark" ] RE: Joni on Neil [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni on Neil [Dan Olson ] RE: onlyJMDL vs All Joni [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni on Neil ["Mark" ] Re: onlyJMDL vs All Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] Archives: Only Joni vs. Everything [Lori Fye ] Re: Joni on Neil [Lc Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:38:12 -0600 From: ava rosenblum Subject: Joni on Neil Makes me feel a little bit bad for Neil because he seemed so enamored with Joni, But I guess we should take all quotes with a grain of salt since we (I) have no idea about their personal relationship or the context of the quote. On a slightly different note, I am hoping that the recent political activism in the US inspires some new composing for Joni. :) best, ava > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > > You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > - -----Original message----- > From: LC Stanley > To: JMDL > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Joni on Neil > > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and > Neil never > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't > roll. He has > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:31:14 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on Neil Isn't this an old quote? It seems to me she said that a long time ago in some interview. Maybe 'Taming the Tiger' era? I seem to remember Joni saying something about Rock n' roll being dead because nobody really performed it anymore. Something about the rhythm not being a true classic Rock n' roll beat. I suppose she could have said something like that again more recently about Neil. Just going on my faulty memory here. FWIW Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: ava rosenblum Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:38 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni on Neil Makes me feel a little bit bad for Neil because he seemed so enamored with Joni, But I guess we should take all quotes with a grain of salt since we (I) have no idea about their personal relationship or the context of the quote. On a slightly different note, I am hoping that the recent political activism in the US inspires some new composing for Joni. :) best, ava > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > > You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > - -----Original message----- > From: LC Stanley > To: JMDL > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Joni on Neil > > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil > never > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He > has > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: DonRico1967@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 OUCH !!! But PLEASE do not EVER say that (as unpopular as the followiing sentiment MAY seem) -- Uncle Neil does NOT have ONE BIT less integrity than "Oh Joni-- OH JONI..." I'm jus' sayin',,, OH YEAH-- F$@& a bunch of "American Idol" karaoke-crap-ola.... PEACE & LOVE -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:27:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 When someone expresses so much passion and disgust for something, you have to wonder if secretly, they love it and just can't get enough of it. It's always those who are the most outspoken that are hiding something! As for Joni and Neil, I think they're both awesome but there's so much other music out there I see no reason to single them out. I'm enjoying the new Decemberists quite a bit...refreshingly new and classic at the same time- a nice little nod to Tambourine Man in one of the tracks. In other news, I won tickets to see Bob Seger and the SB Band in April. Haven't seen them in 25 years so looking very forward to it. Victor, taking a break from job hunting to actually post something. Sent from Comcast mobile - -----Original Message----- From: DonRico1967 To: joni Sent: 2011-03-13 05:24:05 -0400 Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 OUCH !!! But PLEASE do not EVER say that (as unpopular as the followiing sentiment MAY seem) -- Uncle Neil does NOT have ONE BIT less integrity than "Oh Joni-- OH JONI..." I'm jus' sayin',,, OH YEAH-- F$@& a bunch of "American Idol" karaoke-crap-ola.... PEACE & LOVE -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I find it annoying when Joni makes comments of that kind, comments that seem so dismissive of another artist, especially if it's one of her buds. But then again, maybe there was something contextual that makes it make sense. I hear it, in my mind, as Joni laughing and tossing that off as she takes another drag from her cigarette. She may have meant it as a backhanded compliment for that matter. I don't think Joan has a lot of self-censorship when it comes to making comments about anything and everything. That's part of what makes her endearing, because she's honest and open, but it can also come across as mean-spirited and curmudgeonly, not that there's anything wrong with curmudgeonly ;-) It would be nice to hear Joni weigh in on the new political activism, but I wonder if she's too far removed from the reality of the average working person (or not-working-but-not-by-choice, as so often is the case.) - ----- Original Message ---- > From: ava rosenblum > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 3:38:12 AM > Subject: Joni on Neil > > Makes me feel a little bit bad for Neil because he seemed so enamored with >Joni, But I guess we should take all quotes with a grain of salt since we (I) >have no idea about their personal relationship or the context of the quote. > On a slightly different note, I am hoping that the recent political activism >in the US inspires some new composing for Joni. :) > > best, > > ava > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 > > From: "Richard Flynn" > > Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > > > > You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. > > > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > > - -----Original message----- > > From: LC Stanley > > To: JMDL > > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 > > Subject: Joni on Neil > > > > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil never > > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He >has > > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:36:53 -0700 From: Sami Melillo Subject: Only posts about Joni? Hello all! I'm a newby here as I've been on this list for only a couple of weeks. Sorry to say I must agree with Eric in that I was taken aback by the AI chatter. I have been on other lists that share the same frustration from time to time in that the list becomes more about the friendship of those who post rather than focusing on the topic which orginally brought them all together. IS there indeed a way one can receive only the posts about Joni? I'm interested in knowing! Thanks in advance. All the best... ~sami ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG I discovered that I had hung onto an email concerning the various joni-lists. There are four ways of getting the info. I've copied the info below and I think you probably want to be on either the Joni-only digest of Joni-only individual posts. This info seems to be missing right now at the jonimitchell.com site, but I'm assuming this is still the way to deal with the various ways of receiving posts or digest: - ---You are subscribed to the JONI list--- In this format, you receive each and every individual post within seconds after they are posted. The list has recently been averaging about 20-40 posts per day. Some find this volume overwhelming. If this applies to you, you have three other list options. 1) You can switch to the onlyJONI list: This list filters out the non-Joni related messages and sends you only those with Joni Mitchell content. It is exactly the same as the JONI list, except that the non-Joni posts are rejected. To switch to this list, send these two lines to : unsubscribe joni subscribe onlyjoni 2) You can switch to the JONI-DIGEST list: This method collects a number of posts, organizes them, and sends them out to you as a single email message about once a day (more often if traffic is particularly heavy). This version includes EVERY post to the list, regardless of the content. To switch to the JONI-DIGEST format, put these two lines in the body of a message and send them to : unsubscribe joni subscribe joni-digest 3) You can subscribe to the onlyJONI-DIGEST list: This method collects only the Joni-content posts, organizes them, and sends them out to you as a single email message about once every other day (more often if traffic is particularly heavy). This version excludes non-Joni content. To switch to the onlyJONI-DIGEST format, put these two lines in the body of a message and send them to : unsubscribe joni subscribe onlyjoni-digest You can remove yourself completely from the JONI list (assuming anyone would ever want to do that!) by sending this one line in the body of a message to : unsubscribe joni Please understand the distinction between the two addresses: will send your message to all the members on the list. is a maintenance address, used for subscribing, unsubscribing, and getting past digests only (explained on the JMDL website). - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sami Melillo > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 9:36:53 AM > Subject: Only posts about Joni? > > Hello all! I'm a newby here as I've been on this list for only a couple of > weeks. Sorry to say I must agree with Eric in that I was taken aback by the > AI chatter. I have been on other lists that share the same frustration from > time to time in that the list becomes more about the friendship of those who > post rather than focusing on the topic which orginally brought them all > together. IS there indeed a way one can receive only the posts about Joni? > I'm interested in knowing! > Thanks in advance. All the best... ~sami ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:34:36 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Only posts about Joni? - LONG Great email. That should clear it up for all. Myself, I don't mind friends discussing AI but I usually don't bother reading further. And actually, there is another method which works well. One really does not have to READ every email that comes into one's inbox. With a simply press of the DELETE button, such missives disappear at the speed of light. Out of sight - out of mind. Nothing to get all bent out of shape for. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: den 13 mars 2011 09:59 To: Sami Melillo; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG I discovered that I had hung onto an email concerning the various joni-lists. There are four ways of getting the info. I've copied the info below and I think you probably want to be on either the Joni-only digest of Joni-only individual posts. This info seems to be missing right now at the jonimitchell.com site, but I'm assuming this is still the way to deal with the various ways of receiving posts or digest: - ---You are subscribed to the JONI list--- In this format, you receive each and every individual post within seconds after they are posted. The list has recently been averaging about 20-40 posts per day. Some find this volume overwhelming. If this applies to you, you have three other list options. 1) You can switch to the onlyJONI list: This list filters out the non-Joni related messages and sends you only those with Joni Mitchell content. It is exactly the same as the JONI list, except that the non-Joni posts are rejected. To switch to this list, send these two lines to : unsubscribe joni subscribe onlyjoni 2) You can switch to the JONI-DIGEST list: This method collects a number of posts, organizes them, and sends them out to you as a single email message about once a day (more often if traffic is particularly heavy). This version includes EVERY post to the list, regardless of the content. To switch to the JONI-DIGEST format, put these two lines in the body of a message and send them to : unsubscribe joni subscribe joni-digest 3) You can subscribe to the onlyJONI-DIGEST list: This method collects only the Joni-content posts, organizes them, and sends them out to you as a single email message about once every other day (more often if traffic is particularly heavy). This version excludes non-Joni content. To switch to the onlyJONI-DIGEST format, put these two lines in the body of a message and send them to : unsubscribe joni subscribe onlyjoni-digest You can remove yourself completely from the JONI list (assuming anyone would ever want to do that!) by sending this one line in the body of a message to : unsubscribe joni Please understand the distinction between the two addresses: will send your message to all the members on the list. is a maintenance address, used for subscribing, unsubscribing, and getting past digests only (explained on the JMDL website). - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sami Melillo > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 9:36:53 AM > Subject: Only posts about Joni? > > Hello all! I'm a newby here as I've been on this list for only a couple of > weeks. Sorry to say I must agree with Eric in that I was taken aback by the > AI chatter. I have been on other lists that share the same frustration from > time to time in that the list becomes more about the friendship of those who > post rather than focusing on the topic which orginally brought them all > together. IS there indeed a way one can receive only the posts about Joni? > I'm interested in knowing! > Thanks in advance. All the best... ~sami ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: RE: Only posts about Joni? - LONG good one, Robban...tis true, delete delete delete. I suppose that many other lists have long time friends who get to natter about all things other than the apparent focus of their list. Joni's not doing a whole lot these days (well, Im sure she is but it's not like in 2000 when the BSN tour was making her way across the land). I suppose it might be a challenge for anyone who is new to the list, to imagine that we are all in the inner circle ;-) and that the list is only focused on those who became friends at the inception of the list, and have carried forward, deepening that friendship all the way through our time together. But still. You catch a lot more bees with honey, so perhaps if someone has an issue with walking in the room full of strangers who seem to be only interested in American Idol, well, all you had to do was say so in a much kinder manner. Robban's right, delete the things you do not wish to read. We are a great bunch and happen to share a lot more depth than that of an american reality show. I have learned miles of information about Joni herself, have been a loyal JOni fan since 74 and yet, I had heard only the tip of the iceburg in terms of her entire catalogue and what she brings to the world. This is the place. Not only that, I have made the most wonderful friends all over the globe. I know that in a moment's notice, I'd be welcomed into their homes and heart if I announced I was going to be in town, wherever that town may be. Another wonderful aspect to this list is the musical talent that sifts through so many posts. As well, I have learned about other artists, who may have been directly influenced by Joni. Or they relate to her, or there's just so much out there, in one's local scene, that this is the place where those little jewels are shared. As Catherine has posted the links to going over to the Only Joni side (and I respect anyone who wants and does that btw), perhaps that can be the route you take, whoever you are. with no regrets, coyote Mags on the far too frozen tundra for March!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mags > To: Catherine McKay ; Sami Melillo >; joni@smoe.org; Rob Argento > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 11:08:54 AM > Subject: RE: Only posts about Joni? - LONG > > good one, Robban...tis true, delete delete delete. I suppose that many other >lists have long time friends who get to natter about all things other than the >apparent focus of their list. Joni's not doing a whole lot these days (well, Im >sure she is but it's not like in 2000 when the BSN tour was making her way >across the land). > What's interesting to me is that Joni herself is a great yakker about any old thing (although lately, um well, let's say for the last 20-30 years if not more, a great focus has been that the music industry is a cesspool. I always enjoy the njc stuff, hence I'm on the "everything" list. Not sure if every discussion list of this kind has the "only-Joni" (or artist/topic of choice) option and if not, kudos to Les for providing that particular option since the beginning, or at least since I've been here. Timing is everything too: if you had joined the list (that other guy that was rude about it) a week or two earlier, it probably would have been much quieter at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:22:10 -0400 From: Stdoherty Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 You think Joni meant this in a bad way? ... I think among her peers that Young may be one of the few she actually knows about and has some regard for. You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. - -----Original Message----- From: onlyJMDL Digest To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 3:00 am Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 13 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - ------- Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #74-- ADDENDUM [DonRico1967@aol.com] NAIC Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni on Neil [LC Stanley ] Re: Joni on Neil ["Richard Flynn"] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:16:47 -0500 (EST) rom: DonRico1967@aol.com ubject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #74-- ADDENDUM When I signed up for this JONI MITCHELL Digest, It was because I love Joni nd her beautiful and undefinable music, ow I suppose I must be a "American idol" lover, too. #c% THAT!! I am seriously on the verge of cancelling this "non-Joni"-crap ccount, but will give it a try because I am sick and tired of ontificating-lously sick-making NNJC content when ALL I care to concern about s JONI or maybe Neil)... "American Idol" (whatever) can suck on the big wang... It ain't NO JONI, in't NO NEIL and the fools that thinks those masterpiece artisans are EVEN EARLY upon the same level can do something that I would rather not type. ...If you think what I mean and I THINK that you might do... Change my mind-- PLEASE--- EACE & LOVE - - -- Eric - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:54:28 -0500 rom: "Richard Flynn" ubject: NAIC Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni That's No American Idol Content ;) I've been regularly enjoying this Saturday afternoon show American Routes on ublic radio. On today's show Tom Rush talks about meeting Joni when she sks to play for him during his set at the Chessmate, and later her sending im a 6-song tape. The show has an audio stream: http://americanroutes.publicradio.org/archives/show/680/earl-scruggs-tom-rus - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:35:14 -0500 rom: "Richard Flynn" ubject: More non-AI content I was catching up on the phone with one of my best friends, Lissa, this fternoon, and I mentioned the recent Sheila Weller interview. After she ead it she sent me an e-mail in which she wrote the following: "The Joni story resonates. For a time in the 1960s, my uncle actually owned folk club in Yorkville called The Purple Onion. When I was an undergrad in the 1970s, the vestiges of Joni's Yorkville were till present. I live quite close by now, and the neighbourhood is for igh-end shoppers." - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:36:58 -0600 rom: LC Stanley ubject: Joni on Neil "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil never ocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He has ot no swing in him." Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 rom: "Richard Flynn" ubject: Re: Joni on Neil You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless - - -----Original message----- rom: LC Stanley o: JMDL ent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 ubject: Joni on Neil "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil never ocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He has ot no swing in him." Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 ******************************* - ------- ost messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org nsubscribe by clicking here: ailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:42:41 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG Mags, You are so right. Robin and I were the guests of several amazing JMDL folks in the UK and Denmark last September and it felt like we'd been lifelong friends from the moment we arrived. Anita & Steph, Lucy, Les, Chris, Martin, Henning, Christina, Bene...thank you again. Dave On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Mags wrote: > Not only that, I have made the most wonderful friends all over the globe. I know that in a moment's notice, I'd be welcomed into their homes and heart if I announced I was going to be in town, wherever that town may be. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:46:33 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG Oh no, I omitted the lovely Lieve from my thank you list. She put us up for two nights and set up a gig for us in Greenwich, bless her. Huge thanks to her. On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Mags, > > You are so right. Robin and I were the guests of several amazing JMDL folks in the UK and Denmark last September and it felt like we'd been lifelong friends from the moment we arrived. Anita & Steph, Lucy, Les, Chris, Martin, Henning, Christina, Bene...thank you again. > > Dave > > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Mags wrote: > >> Not only that, I have made the most wonderful friends all over the globe. I know that in a moment's notice, I'd be welcomed into their homes and heart if I announced I was going to be in town, wherever that town may be. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:01:51 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG I said: > immense insight and even conflict about Joni's music from people who > are incredibly knowledgeable about Joni's music and life. And I forgot to say 'and can play and sing Joni as well as, if not, better than anyone in the world' Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:02:52 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Only posts about Joni? - LONG While I agree that the delete key is a great tool, the people on digest don't receive individual emails. They get groups (digests) made up of strings of posts. A lot of the AI posts were rather lengthy (not that I have any room to talk about lengthy posts) and would have necessitated a lot of scrolling as opposed to deleting. I suppose if you're looking for Joni only commentary and don't know about the choice of the OnlyJoni digest, it could get frustrating trying to scroll and sift through everything just to get to the Joni related content. That being said, I think it is a good idea to try remember to trim the post you may be responding to down to the parts that are relevant to your response. I know I've gotten a bit lazy about that. But I'm sure the digest people appreciate not having to scroll through a whole string of related posts repeatedly just to read the latest response. And don't forget those njc tags, folks! Of course courtesy and a good attitude always tend to generate courteous, helpful responses. Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load. Rudeness and bad attitudes tend to go over like a lead balloon, lead balloon, lead, lead, lead, lead balloon...le-ead baloo-oon...... Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Argento Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:34 AM To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Sami Melillo' ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Only posts about Joni? - LONG Great email. That should clear it up for all. Myself, I don't mind friends discussing AI but I usually don't bother reading further. And actually, there is another method which works well. One really does not have to READ every email that comes into one's inbox. With a simply press of the DELETE button, such missives disappear at the speed of light. Out of sight - out of mind. Nothing to get all bent out of shape for. /Robban ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:22:13 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni on Neil Hmm, I have a different take on this comment. I don't think Joni was dissing Neil so much as dissing people who get their rock mixed up with their rock and roll. She is a purest when it comes to the real thing ... i.e., chuck berry etc. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:26 AM To: ava rosenblum; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I find it annoying when Joni makes comments of that kind, comments that seem so dismissive of another artist, especially if it's one of her buds. But then again, maybe there was something contextual that makes it make sense. I hear it, in my mind, as Joni laughing and tossing that off as she takes another drag from her cigarette. She may have meant it as a backhanded compliment for that matter. I don't think Joan has a lot of self-censorship when it comes to making comments about anything and everything. That's part of what makes her endearing, because she's honest and open, but it can also come across as mean-spirited and curmudgeonly, not that there's anything wrong with curmudgeonly ;-) It would be nice to hear Joni weigh in on the new political activism, but I wonder if she's too far removed from the reality of the average working person (or not-working-but-not-by-choice, as so often is the case.) - ----- Original Message ---- > From: ava rosenblum > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 3:38:12 AM > Subject: Joni on Neil > > Makes me feel a little bit bad for Neil because he seemed so enamored with >Joni, But I guess we should take all quotes with a grain of salt since we (I) >have no idea about their personal relationship or the context of the quote. > On a slightly different note, I am hoping that the recent political activism >in the US inspires some new composing for Joni. :) > > best, > > ava > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:13:14 -0500 > > From: "Richard Flynn" > > Subject: Re: Joni on Neil > > > > You know this is so unattractive for Joni to be badmouthing her peers. > > > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > > - -----Original message----- > > From: LC Stanley > > To: JMDL > > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 03:48:21 GMT+00:00 > > Subject: Joni on Neil > > > > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil never > > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He >has > > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:27:19 -0500 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I know this thread has prompted many to comment, mostly in the vain of "how dare Joni express this opinion". The thing about Joni is she has always continued to grow and expand her musical pallet. And her early influences go so far beyond the influences of most singer/songwriters of her era (see, I can't really even say that without mentioning that that "era" - late 60's early 70's - is where most of her peers, but not Joni, remained). Joni's informal musical upbringing included jazz and swing. To say Neil doesn't "swing" is simply saying that he, like so many others, didn't (doesn't) really get it when it comes to jazz, swing, and improvisation. I think it is really cool that she equates "roll" in "rock and roll" with swing. Neil is a rocker, he is not a swinger. Is that a bad thing? I liked Neil back in the '70's. But my musical tastes evolved, and Joni kept growing musically. Neil? Not so much. ~dan On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 9:36 PM, LC Stanley wrote: > "You know, Neil Young is singing Rock n' roll will never die, and Neil > never > rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He > has > got no swing in him." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:19:18 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL vs All Joni I just want to add my two cents on the whole Joni Only vs All Joni discussions. I was Joni Only for a REALLY long time and as I went to Jonifests over the years, I realized I not only missed out on great discussions, I missed out on meeting really great people. So a couple of years ago I switched back to the ALL Joni discussion and I'm so happy I did. Don't get me wrong, I really don't care about the AI discussion (mostly because I've never seen the show) but I've made it a practice of mine to scan the first email and then skip all posts relating to that thread. It takes discipline but it works for me. YEAH, I love you guys!!! Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of DonRico1967@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:10 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #71 OUCH !!! But PLEASE do not EVER say that (as unpopular as the followiing sentiment MAY seem) -- Uncle Neil does NOT have ONE BIT less integrity than "Oh Joni-- OH JONI..." I'm jus' sayin',,, OH YEAH-- F$@& a bunch of "American Idol" karaoke-crap-ola.... PEACE & LOVE -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:40:48 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I agree, Sue. This is what Joni was making reference to, if I remember right. I've been trying to find the specific interview since Laura hasn't told us which one it is, but haven't been able to locate it yet. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:22 AM To: Catherine McKay ; ava rosenblum ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni on Neil Hmm, I have a different take on this comment. I don't think Joni was dissing Neil so much as dissing people who get their rock mixed up with their rock and roll. She is a purest when it comes to the real thing ... i.e., chuck berry etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:31:31 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL vs All Joni In a message dated 3/13/2011 1:29:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > I just want to add my two cents on the whole Joni Only vs All Joni > discussions. I was Joni Only for a REALLY long time and as I went to Jonifests > over the years, I realized I not only missed out on great discussions, I > missed out on meeting really great people. Sue, when I first joined the list back in 98, I just remember you as the guru of all Joni's tabulars. I don't play the guitar, but you were the one that helped the JMDL become what it is today. I briefly met you at one of the NE Jonifests, and was in awe of listening to you sing and play Joni's music. Now that we have spent the past couple of years together, I realize that not only are you so knowledgeable about Joni and her music, but you're a fun beautiful woman to hang around with and I love you so much. This Eric is the beauty of this list. Yes, we do have history, but all are welcome whether it be just about Joni or about anything. We are family! Jimmy in FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:56:31 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Archives: Only Joni vs. Everything Lesli was so kind as to remind me that the archives remain available, and they are available in two versions: "Only Joni," which are posts that did not have the NJC tag and which should be relative to discussions about Joni and her art; and "Joni," which is, well, everything. These links are also handy if you're on digest mode and didn't receive a digest in your email. Only Joni: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni/ Everything: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ Writing from rainy Sonoma County, CA, Lori P.S. - I did not tag this post as NJC on purpose. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Joni on Neil Hi Mark, The quote came from this interview: http://www.elviscostello.info/articles/t-z/vanity_fair.041101.php And, like Sue, I don't catch it as a diss. Love, Laura Here's a larger clip: E.C. Most of your ensemble work has been with jazz musicians, those with a great pictorial sense, such as Wayne Shorter, or someone who complemented your vocal phrasing, like Jaco Pastorius, but the Last Waltz movie was reissued recently, and that contains a rare example of you playing with an out-an-out rock 'n' roll band [the Band]. J.M. The Rhino record [Dreamland] is for the most part really a kind of a rock 'n' roll record. I was surprised when we got it all together. I went, Whoa, you know, there's more Chuck Berry on this one than I realized. E.C. And where is that coming from? J.M. It's mostly just me playing. Buddy Holly and the early rock 'n' roll was no lighter than the way I play. It's very minimal. E.C. It also swings. J.M. And it's got to in real rock 'n' roll. E.C. This is my big argument. I wonbt even have the word 'rock" attached to me. It just lies there gray and inert. J.M. You know, Neil Young is singing "Rock n' roll will never die" and Neil never rocked and rolled in his life. I mean, he rocked, but he didn't roll. He has got no swing in him. E.C. It's a square heat, but it's a good beat. J.M. It's a good square beat. It's the ' Prairie Lope." [E.C. laughs.] Joni rolls into an approving riff about the African roots of swing in American popular music J.M. All 'Whitey" knows is funeral and war marches. And the polka. That's about as gay as "he" gets - . . and the waltz. E.C. Don't slander the waltz now! J.M. I love waltzes! That [most recent] song is a waltz. Go figure-what am I going to do with it? E.C. Write 11 more. ________________________________ From: Mark To: Susan Tierney McNamara ; Catherine McKay ; ava rosenblum ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 12:40:48 PM Subject: Re: Joni on Neil I agree, Sue. This is what Joni was making reference to, if I remember right. I've been trying to find the specific interview since Laura hasn't told us which one it is, but haven't been able to locate it yet. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:22 AM To: Catherine McKay ; ava rosenblum ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni on Neil Hmm, I have a different take on this comment. I don't think Joni was dissing Neil so much as dissing people who get their rock mixed up with their rock and roll. She is a purest when it comes to the real thing ... i.e., chuck berry etc. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #72 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe