From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 24 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Small Joni mention on "Glee" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Video of Sheila Weller reading from 'Girls Like Us' [Paul Castle ] Re: "Joni's Four Periods" [] girls like us [Robert Procyk ] Re: "Joni's Four Periods" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] Joni and Seal [Kate Johnson ] Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Joni and Seal [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal and Fogelberg [] Small Joni mention on "Glee" [Gerald Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Small Joni mention on "Glee" There was a little Joni mention on "Glee" last night. Rachel has written a very bad song, devoted to her head band. Her boyfriend tells her the song sucks. Rachel says, "I know. I'm not Carol King or Joni Mitchell. They've lived." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:19:11 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Video of Sheila Weller reading from 'Girls Like Us' Kakki wrote: > I had no idea that Laura Allan has passed away. I remember her > from way, way back but not sure how -maybe on some obscure > albums, maybe from the CS or N bios - but I remember her. > She was so young to have left us. Managed to get a copy of Laura Allan's album 'Reflections' and listened to it yesterday on my weekly 3 hour drive up to visit my dad (96th birthday yesterday!) All very beautiful and other- worldly driving along windswept country roads, with her zither sounding so like wind chimes and most tracks featuring flautist Paul Horn, sounding like he did on the 'Inside The Taj Mahal' albums. Particularly liked 'As I Am' - a wonderful 10 minute long solo improvisation on her zither - found it on YouTube this morning - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-8H6uXCE0s Not sure who is influencing who here (this album was released in 1980) but I keep thinking she is going to break into 'Blue' - and near the end she sings "As I am today I am tomorrow A child of God Learning how to love on this earth" with "Learning how to love" sounding so like the final "There is your song from me" in Blue best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:33:03 +0000 From: Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods" Yes, I also think it's debatable that she is out of pain. I should revise that section because the idea is not all that solid. I think that "Shine" is a return to "Intellect Engaged", like "Dog Eat Dog" and "Chalk Mark". Jim L'Hommedieu - ---- Lc Stanley wrote: > So what do you think about closer to "now," since her recording period slowed > but did not end with the 4th period? Here is a nice chart of her > work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joni_Mitchell_discography > > Seems Joni is back to pain with Morgellons (http://www.morgellons.org/)... that > is if she ever really left pain in the first place, which I think is debatable > even in the realm of Kilauren. - ---- Lc Stanley wrote: > So what do you think about closer to "now," since her recording period slowed > but did not end with the 4th period? Here is a nice chart of her > work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joni_Mitchell_discography > > Seems Joni is back to pain with Morgellons (http://www.morgellons.org/)... that > is if she ever really left pain in the first place, which I think is debatable > even in the realm of Kilauren. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:27:04 -0500 From: Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods" I "hear" ya, Margaret. I need to fix the essay and shorten it up. - ---- Mags wrote: ... I feel that it is safe to say that Joni, no doubt, continues to experience the pain of loss surrounding the birth of her child that she was unable to keep, for a myriad of reasons, many which we know, some we may not. I believe this is something that you just don't get over... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:14:00 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: girls like us Kakki wrote: It is incredibly readable and hooks you right in. I was also ambivalent towards it in the sense that I thought it revealed TOO much personal and raw information about the girls. It made me cringe at times, but I still couldn't stop reading it. It's funny, because for me, that's what was so absolutely compelling about the book. I always sort of shake my head and don't quite get it when people will say "I don't care to know who was in mind with this song", etc. I want to know all the nitty-gritty details - who inspired what songs, who influenced an artist's work, what issues they were going through, what they were dealing with, what their flaws were at the time, the savoury and unsavoury bits of life. Especially with Joni - she shared so much, and just threw it out there with Blue, et al, but even with that, we sit here and say "well, I am pretty sure the woman who had a mouth like his was James's sister", but what I really want to know is a time-line of who she was with when, how that relationship affected her and her work, and how this messy business of life influenced her work. I also love how the book exposes Joni's life - I am sick of reading about the Joni who is above tv/popular music/popular culture and who just prophesizes doom. That's not Joan, but I think the more we are removed from what we know of her life, etc., that's who she is mistakenly seen as - - you know what I mean? It's like we forget that she's human. She can talk about how everything has gone to hell in a handbag and everyone hates everyone in traffic, and yada yada, but I mean, if it's so terrible out there, and LA is a big cesspool of superficiality, she still isn't packing her bags and retiring back to Saskatoon. And that's exactly what Girls Like us shows us - that she's a real person, and many of her experiences and relationships are revealed in her work, and that she's not just this icon on the mountain. She's a real person who is as messed up as much as we all are, who sometimes says one thing and does another, who has been hurt by others as m uch as we all have, and who is deliciously human. I recently read this Warren Zevon bio by his ex-wife, and it was fascinating, even though I know a total of two Zevon songs. Anyway, there's this story in there where he plays some song on the piano at this party and Joni makes some smart-ass remark like "well isn't that NICE" or something, and it totally devastated him - he was definitely on the sad end of "People's Parties" that night. Anyway, I like hearing about Joni NOT being the victim or the saint - that she is, again, like us. I was also incredibly fascinated with the Carly stuff as well. As much of a fan as I am of hers, I sort of had a different idea of who she was until I read the book. Anyway, the book just proved that we'd be great friends if we ever met - Carly, call me - I'm free for lunch. Now, if only someone could twist Sheila Weller to tackle the complicated life of Stevie Nicks. Stevie Nicks and Linda Rondstadt would make a nice bio. pairing.... just throwing it out to the universe ;) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:16:18 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: "Joni's Four Periods" Not to mention the fact that her post-reunion period with Kilauren has been plagued with some serious and abusive issues. Not exactly a Disney-fied "they all lived happily ever after" story to be sure. Bob NP: Gregg Allman, "Tears Tears Tears" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:13:33 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal A beautiful track on a wonderful album. Seal kinda faded after that but his first couple of records are amazing. Guess if I was married to Heidi Klum I wouldn't work as much either. The other one I love is Joni's backup vocal on Dan Fogelberg's "Nexus" - what a FUN surprise that was the first time I heard it. I also thought instantly of Hell when I heard the news about NZ. Looking at a map today though I see that Auckland is way up and away from Christchurch. I'm sure she's fine but would love a confirmation of that as well. Bob NP: The Decemberists, "Rox In The Box" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:46:04 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Joni and Seal On 23-Feb-11, at 9:13 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > "If I > Could." She sounded just fabulous on that song.> Has anyone ever found the music video of that one, where the music matches the visuals? Kate of the North ~~ Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:48:01 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal And a beautiful video. A match made in music heaven. Jerry On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > Could." She sounded just fabulous on that song.> > > A beautiful track on a wonderful album. Seal kinda faded after that but > his first couple of records are amazing. Guess if I was married to Heidi > Klum I wouldn't work as much either. > > The other one I love is Joni's backup vocal on Dan Fogelberg's "Nexus" - > what a FUN surprise that was the first time I heard it. > > I also thought instantly of Hell when I heard the news about NZ. Looking > at a map today though I see that Auckland is way up and away from > Christchurch. I'm sure she's fine but would love a confirmation of that as > well. > > Bob > > NP: The Decemberists, "Rox In The Box" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:49:00 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: girls like us Go, Rob! I'm more like you, but there is a fine line. For example, I read a bio on Bette Davis where the author included something about the -- the -- um -- shmegma -- (well?) -- on Davis's leg after a sexual encounter, and I just -- well, I didn't *think* I was a prude, but that was TMI for me. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:15:44 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Seal Back when this song came out is was common at gay bars to show the videos on big projected screens while playing the music through a really great sound system. For some reason (like me requesting it all the time) a local place I hung out at played it a lot. I believe it was black and white, very beautifully done. But I haven't seen it since then. Jerry On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > On 23-Feb-11, at 9:13 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > Could." She sounded just fabulous on that song.> >> > > Has anyone ever found the music video of that one, where the music matches > the visuals? > > Kate of the North > > ~~ > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:20:08 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal and Fogelberg Bob, Thanks for mentioning Joni singing on "Nexus". I was downloading old Dan Fogelberg vinyl albums a few weeks ago and was racking my brain trying to remember his song with Joni's vocals. I keep thinking she also sang on another one of his songs but can't find it. Inside the Nether Lands cover there is a watercolor painting of Dan's half face. I thought it looked very much like Joni's work but it was painted by Dan. He was also very involved in painting and photography. I found an interview with Dan where he credits Joni numerous times as a great influence and inspiration. He also names "For The Roses" as his most favorite record. (Same here ;-) http://www.treehouse.org/fogelberg/intview7.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:39:50 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Another Joni moment on "30 Rock" Medicine Hat: a city in Alberta. I'm sure Tina would have chosen the name because it sounds funny. But not as funny as Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump, which is close to Fort MacLeod, birthplace of you-know-who. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Randy Remote > To: Catherine McKay ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 2:23:28 PM > Subject: Re: Another Joni moment on "30 Rock" > > Love Tina and 30 Rock, she is apparently a Jonihead herself. > This song was surely devised to be in the background, as it is > not as obviously funny as her usual writing, but captures the > "raw nerve" vibe of Blue-era Joni. > "Medicine hat" ??? > RR > > From: "Catherine McKay" > > Turns out it was Tina herself who wrote a Joni parody called "Paints and > > Brushes." You can hear it here, separate out from the dialogue in the show, >so > > you can make out the words: > > http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/02/tina_fey_joni_mitchell.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:31:50 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Rare video James, Joni and Don and Joni and Seal Seal IV is a fabulous CD; as good as the 2nd one. Human is weak (terrible sound for some reason) and the recent techno one downright rubbish. The Trevor Horn/Seal matchup was a winner. On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Seal kinda faded after that but > his first couple of records are amazing. Guess if I was married to Heidi > Klum I wouldn't work as much either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:40:29 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Video of Sheila Weller reading from 'Girls Like Us' Paul, That is very ethereal and beautifu musicl. It seems like the perfect soundtrack to your drive along country roads to see your dad. You can definitely hear the "Blue" connection, too. It's uncanny how she could easily pass for Joni's younger sister. I was surprised to learn she was a good friend and collaborator with my fave Bill Champlin! Kakki > Managed to get a copy of Laura Allan's album > 'Reflections' and listened to it yesterday on my > weekly 3 hour drive up to visit my dad (96th > birthday yesterday!) All very beautiful and other- > worldly driving along windswept country roads, > with her zither sounding so like wind chimes and > most tracks featuring flautist Paul Horn, sounding > like he did on the 'Inside The Taj Mahal' albums. > > Particularly liked 'As I Am' - a wonderful 10 minute > long solo improvisation on her zither - found it on > YouTube this morning - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-8H6uXCE0s > > Not sure who is influencing who here (this album was > released in 1980) but I keep thinking she is going to > break into 'Blue' - and near the end she sings > > "As I am today I am tomorrow > A child of God > Learning how to love on this earth" > > with "Learning how to love" sounding so like > the final "There is your song from me" in Blue > > best to all > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Small Joni mention on "Glee" Thanks, Jack. i didn't catch that, but I missed a few minutes when I left the room on an overly long commercial break. I was thinking that, since the generally too-good Rachel had her initiation into drinking too much, she might be inclined to sing "A case of you" at some point. There may yet be a Joni episode. in fact, maybe there could be a "Girls like us" episode. Carol King's music was played but not sung by the Glee kids. Maybe it's coming. > >From: "Merk54@aol.com" >To: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 10:27:48 AM >Subject: Re: Small Joni mention on "Glee" > >She also mentions Both Sides Now later in the same episode. Something to the >effect of "How can I write another Both Sides Now if I've never lived?" > >Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:59:21 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Small Joni mention on "Glee" Well there will be a Joni Mitchell episode if Jane Lynch has her way: http://lezgetreal.com/2010/07/newlywed-jane-lynch-is-nesting-wants-joni-mitchell-episode-of-glee/ Jerry On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Thanks, Jack. i didn't catch that, but I missed a few minutes when I left > the > room on an overly long commercial break. > > I was thinking that, since the > generally too-good Rachel had her initiation into > drinking too much, she > might be inclined to sing "A case of you" at some point. > > There may yet be a > Joni episode. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #54 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe