From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #27 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 28 2011 Volume 2011 : Number 027 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Judy Collins - New interview with more information about new book [L] Joni In New Doc? ["Randy Remote" ] Marcie [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Marcie [Lc Stanley ] Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #28 [Gerald Notaro ] RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #28 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Marcie [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Marcie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Marcie [Gerald Notaro ] RE: Marcie [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Marcie [Lc Stanley ] RE: Marcie [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Marcie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Marcie [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Hollywood Bowl [Steve Dulson ] Re: Marcie [LC Stanley ] [none] [Kelly Loughran ] misses [Jim ] Re: Marcie ["Mark" ] Re: misses [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:59:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Judy Collins - New interview with more information about new book Wonderful article, Jerry. Thanks so much for sharing. My goodness, ANOTHER book I'm going to have to get about the same place and time in music - I'll soon have a complete "Laurel Canyon" book shelf! Lieve ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: Joni List Sent: Wed, 26 January, 2011 23:38:25 Subject: Judy Collins - New interview with more information about new book By: Kevin Ransom http://www.annarbor.com/entertainment/judy-collins-folk-fest-preview/ January 24, 2011 At this point in music history more than a half-century after popular music was re-defined by the youthful energy of rock n roll one important measure of greatness is longevity. Many of the idioms greatest artists have achieved it: Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joan Baez, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins. Those above-named artists now range in age from 67 (Mitchell) to 74 (Cohen). Collins is 71, but if anything, her elder status only seems to have inspired her to become more prolific. Last year, she released a new album, Paradise, and a childrens book, Over the Rainbow. She still does about 110 shows a year, by her estimation, and she is now in the final editing stages of her upcoming autobiography, which she says will be titled Suite: Judy Blue Eyes Sex, Drugs, Rock n Roll and the Music That Changed a Generation. The book is slated to be published in September. Ive actually been working on it for four years, says the folk-pop icon, who co-headlines the second-night lineup of the Ann Arbor Folk Festival on Saturday at Hill Auditorium. It starts in 1968, and spans the 20-year-period after that. The year 1968 really is the centerpiece, though. Theres a lot to be said, still, for the events of that year. One of the events of that year was her romance with Stephen Stills, which Stills immortalized in the song that inspired the books title. Collins has already written several books over the years, including a couple of autobiographies, a novel and a couple of books about being a survivor of suicide: Her son took his own life in 1992. I really wanted to write this particular book at this time, though, because I knew I would be turning 70, says Collins by phone from her home in New York City. Collins career as a recording artist actually dates back 50 years her first album, Maid of Constant Sorrow, was released in 1961. Initially, she was an interpretative artist, who lent her sparkling, winsome soprano vocals to songs written by the folk-music poets of the 60s Dylan, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, and, later, Mitchell and Cohen. In the late 60s, she began writing her own songs to complement her expressive covers of other writers tunes. But shes always continued to flex her interpreters chops. Paradise includes her own versions of classic and / or vintage tunes like Over the Rainbow, Ghost Riders in the Sky, Baezs Diamonds and Rust, Paxtons Last Thing on My Mind, Jimmy Webbs Gauguin and Tim Buckleys Once I Was. She also puts her own stamp on Weight of the World, by Amy Speace / Jon Vezner / Jud Caswell. (Speace and Vezner appeared at The Ark last month as part of the Decembersongs show.) In fact, her recordings of Diamonds and Rust and Last Thing on My Mind are duets with a couple of old pals. She duets with Baez herself on Diamonds. And, fittingly, she and Stills do a duet on Last Thing a song in which the singer laments a broken romance and expresses his / her regrets. Stephen and I remained friends, and wed talk to each other on the phone every now and then, and then we had dinner one night in California in around 2007, and we began talking to each other more often after that, and he just suggested one night, Why dont we do a duet? And that just seemed like a very good song for ex-lovers to sing. My husband took photos of us singing it in the studio it was like something out of a Robert Altman film, she says with a laugh. Their performance of this very poignant song is quite stirring, and both are in fine voice. As for the Baez duet: I started performing that song live in 09, and one day I called Joan and said, I want to record this for my new album, and she said, Oh, thats great, no one ever records my songs. Then she suggested we do it as a duet. We also performed it together at the Newport Folk Festival last year, without a rehearsal, in the rain, says Collins, laughing again. Its on You Tube. Collins played a key role in helping to launch the careers of Mitchell and Cohen, in 1966-67, when she recorded their songs Both Sides Now and Suzanne, respectively, before either of them had a recording contract. At the time, Collins was already an established, successful artist, so her recordings of their songs exposed each artist to the mass audience and eventually led to each landing a record deal. So we couldnt resist asking Collins about her recollections of how those recordings came to be, and her interaction at the time with Mitchell and Cohen who, over the decades, have come to be recognized as two of the greatest songwriters of the last half-century. Well, with Joni, she was still playing the clubs at the time she wasnt on the marquee anywhere, but some people had taken notice, recalls Collins. And one night I got a call from Al Kooper, who was at Jonis house, and he said, Joni has this song, and I think you should hear this, and she sang it to me over the phone. Of course, I loved it. With Leonard, I also got a call, from a friend who said, I know this guy, hes Canadian, hes a poet, and he wants to come play these songs for you. So Leonard came over, and he said, I want to know if you think these are songs. And he played three songs for me Suzanne, Dress Rehearsal, and The Stranger Song. I said, Of course theyre songs, theyre wonderful songs, and Im going to record them. Ive always thoughts that part of my function is to expose people to other artists who they might not have heard of. So, to this day, I still like to keep my foot in the interpretive camp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:46:29 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Joni In New Doc? Joni is mentioned in the description of this new documentary, "Troubadours: Carole King / James Taylor & The Rise of the Singer-Songwriter", set to air on PBS March 2 as part of the "American Masters" series. Her music is not part of the accompanying CD, nor is she listed as an interviewee. Contributors include Crosby, McGuinn, Browne, Raitt, etc, and will contain "archival footage", for you footage fetishists. The narrative begins in the 60s, when Carole King and Gerry Goffin were writing their now-iconic songs at Manhattans 1650 Broadway hit factory, and James Taylor was emerging as a folksinger/songwriter. The location then shifts westward to L.A.s Laurel Canyon, the breeding ground for the burgeoning singer-songwriter community, and to Doug Westons Troubadour, where the King/Taylor partnership begins to blossom and a close-knit crew of future legends  including Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, Joni Mitchell, Eagles, and Elton Johnperforms on the small stage and holds court in the bar, the epicenter of the action. More at: http://tinyurl.com/46pgjmk (PBS.org) and http://tinyurl.com/4s4a85l (Concord Music Group/CD/DVD preorder) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:41:07 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Marcie Laura & Sue, Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. She says: "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of each other. My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 Laura ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:03:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Laura, Thanks for this quote. Very cool. Reminds me of Little Green where she writes to Brad hoping for a life and gets back a poem and no desire for a life with Joni and their daughter. When she sings about heading west again with a one way ticket, I always visualize her going to California, and I think about Brad going there too as she sings about in Little Green. It seems like whenever she mentions California it has to do with life and destiny. Love, Laura ________________________________ From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: joni@smoe.org Cc: sem8@cornell.edu; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 6:41:07 AM Subject: Marcie Laura & Sue, Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. She says: "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of each other. My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 Laura ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:21:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2011 #28 From your lips to Joni's ears! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:14 AM, anon anon wrote: > what is going on with Joni these days? any recent interviews? does she have > any plans to tour or record a cd? anyone know? thanks... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:28:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2011 #28 Nothing as far as artistic output is concerned. No. < does she have any plans to tour or record a cd?> No. Have a nice day. Bob NP: M. Ward, "Rollercoaster" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:09:19 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Marcie Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni really came up with the song (IMHO). I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of her earlier banter. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Subject: Marcie Laura & Sue, Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. She says: "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of each other. My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 Laura ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:25:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Marcie Good points, Sue - and I think in a way that she never wanted to lose that intimacy with her audience, even when she was playing stadiums and arenas. Many of the '98 bootlegs have sections where Joni is responding to comments or actions made by the audience, and of course she always remained a bit of a storyteller, even when she was playing the VG8 and could re-tune with a push of a button. Like you say, the stories she told in concert were embellished and fine-tuned along the way, much as a comic reworks material according to the reactions it gets. I always get sucked in to those early shows. Wish I could have been one of the lucky ones to see one in person. I did live in the Detroit area when she was playing some of those clubs, with and without Chuck. Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Money" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:38:21 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of > many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni > last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a > charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just > her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these > wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same > story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the > intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I > especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a > daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. > It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni > really came up with the song (IMHO). > > I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni > felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of > Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of > her earlier banter. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: Marcie > > Laura & Sue, > > Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > > Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > > She says: > > "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each > other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of > each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's > religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly > Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > > 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who > walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > > "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I > used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in > all these songs. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > > > Laura > > > > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and > sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:44:57 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Marcie Yes, painting is a great metaphor for what she does. On Bob's point too of what it would have been like at those early performances, you can almost sense the wonder in the audience, like she has them mesmerized. I know Pat Boland can talk to this. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Notaro Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:38 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net; joni@smoe.org; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of > many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni > last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a > charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just > her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these > wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same > story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the > intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I > especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a > daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. > It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni > really came up with the song (IMHO). > > I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni > felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of > Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of > her earlier banter. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: Marcie > > Laura & Sue, > > Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > > Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > > She says: > > "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each > other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of > each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's > religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly > Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > > 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who > walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > > "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I > used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in > all these songs. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > > > Laura > > > > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and > sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lc Stanley Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Jerry, The neat thing about the house is that I remember it from somewhere... something about it gives me the sense I've been there before or sometimes I'm in that house and what I hear from her is way too familiar. Joni is an excellent communicator whether she's talking or singing. I wish I could hear her narrate her creative process as it occurs. Forever fascinated, Laura ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "sillyseabird7@yahoo.com" Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 9:38:21 AM Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni really came up with the song (IMHO). > >I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni felt >about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of Wight to >tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of her earlier >banter. > >Sue > >-----Original Message----- >From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com >Subject: Marcie > >Laura & Sue, > >Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > >Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > >She says: > >"My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each >other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of >each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's >religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly >Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > >'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who >walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > >"I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I >used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in >all these songs. > >http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > > >Laura > > > >... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in >the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:01:25 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Marcie This youtube.com video shows Joni telling one of many versions of the daydreamer story ... also an interesting discussion about how she likes to write happy songs ... coming from the songwriter who would be most known for her Blue period!! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w-QI7VA6S4 From: Lc Stanley [mailto:sillyseabird7@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:53 AM To: Gerald Notaro; Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Marcie Hi Jerry, The neat thing about the house is that I remember it from somewhere... something about it gives me the sense I've been there before or sometimes I'm in that house and what I hear from her is way too familiar. Joni is an excellent communicator whether she's talking or singing. I wish I could hear her narrate her creative process as it occurs. Forever fascinated, Laura ________________________________ From: Gerald Notaro To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "sillyseabird7@yahoo.com" Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 9:38:21 AM Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early Joni last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin these wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. I especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on him. It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how Joni really came up with the song (IMHO). I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle of Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version of her earlier banter. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Subject: Marcie Laura & Sue, Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. She says: "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of each other. My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 Laura ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:01:21 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Marcie And you can SEE it in the "Let's Sing Out" clips, not just from the kids in the crowd but from the other performers onstage. She's so drop-dead gorgeous and then to top it off she's an incredible writer. When she breaks out an original song like UFG you can almost hear the jaws dropping. 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'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 Laura ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and sinker? ========================================= Hi Laura, I decided to delurk and respond to this post.......I actually do believe this story about Marcie -and I believe it hook, line and sinker !!. I personally don't think this song is "about life and not really a man" as you suggested. To me - "Both Side Now" is that song you refer to about "Life" - and not Marcie. Marcie (to me) is clearly about a man she is waiting for to write her a letter and reappear in her life but never does. The name Marcie may be based on this girl from London but the experience is still Joni's - yes?? Do you agree?? Marcie is one of my very favorite songs off of one my favorite albums....and thanks for the link to the article - I had never seen that before..... - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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To me it is a song about the letting go in life that we do as the seasons pass and the hope of a better life represented by the west. Love, Laura On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:41:07 -0600 > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net > Subject: Marcie > > Laura & Sue, > > Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > > Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > > She says: > > "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each > other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of > each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's > religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly > Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > > 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who > walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > > "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I > used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in > all these songs. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > Laura > > > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to tell > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and > sinker? > > ========================================= > > Hi Laura, > > I decided to delurk and respond to this post.......I actually do believe > this story about Marcie -and I believe it hook, line and sinker !!. > > I personally don't think this song is "about life and not really a man" as > you suggested. To me - "Both Side Now" is that song you refer to about > "Life" - and not Marcie. Marcie (to me) is clearly about a man she is > waiting for to write her a letter and reappear in her life but never does. > The name Marcie may be based on this girl from London but the experience is > still Joni's - yes?? Do you agree?? > > Marcie is one of my very favorite songs off of one my favorite > albums....and thanks for the link to the article - I had never seen that > before..... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:46:38 +0000 From: Kelly Loughran Subject: [none] http://54andy.co.cc/w2d3q3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:59:52 -0500 From: Jim Subject: misses I've been playing "misses" every day at work for a while now. I'm really enjoying some stuff for the first time, like "The Reoccuring Dream". I'm enjoying the collection. After "Harry's House/Centerpiece" I always want to hear "Sweet Bird". I guess I really like THOSL. I mean I really, really like it. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:01:50 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Marcie Painting is a great metaphor. And, just like most painting of the last century or so, the goal is not to make a photographic reproduction of reality. We just saw a Picasso exhibit at the Seattle Art Museum and listening to the audio commentary and reading the placards next to the paintings and sculptures was fascinating. Picasso restructured visual reality in his paintings. Joni does this too with the lyrics of her songs, albeit not as drastically as Picasso did. The origin of the songs are real people or relationships or stories. But Joni the painter enhances, rearranges, shades or highlights this or that and maybe shifts a perspective or alters a color here and there to produce the magical end results. That's what I think, anyway. I feel that Joni somewhere along the line began to close up a bit in large venues. I was always struck by how the audiences kept almost completely quiet until the very last notes of most of the songs on 'Miles of Aisles'. I wish I could have been at one of those concerts or, even better at one of those early shows in a small club. By contrast, the 'Shadows and Light' audiences are much rowdier and, maybe just because of editing, there are no stories like the famous 'Paint a 'Starry Night' again, man!' She still seems to be having fun, but not quite as relaxed and at ease as, for a later example, in the intimate atmosphere of the 'Painting With Words and Music' taping. You can hear a more relaxed Joni in the recording of the Wells Fargo, Gene Autry Museum show as well. I love her story about being Dale Evans (alas, not Roy Rogers) with the neighborhood boys when she was a kid. Maybe because of the VG-8, maybe because of rude audiences that wouldn't sit still or shut up during the Gorge concerts in '98, there were no stories and very little talk from Joni, as I recall. I'll have to dig out the bootleg recording and listen to it again. But it just seems to me that Joni loosens up a lot more in an intimate venue and seems much happier. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:44 AM To: Gerald Notaro Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net ; joni@smoe.org ; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com ; Bob Muller Subject: RE: Marcie Yes, painting is a great metaphor for what she does. On Bob's point too of what it would have been like at those early performances, you can almost sense the wonder in the audience, like she has them mesmerized. I know Pat Boland can talk to this. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Notaro Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:38 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: est86mlm@ameritech.net; joni@smoe.org; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Marcie Great post, Sue. And exactly the reason she warns us not to decipher or take her too literally. She is painting a real house, but it is most likely the house next door. So don't go trying to find in in the specific work she created. It is part of her genius. She just gives you enough for it to seem real.... Jerry On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Yes, this makes me think that most of Joni's songs are conglomerates of > many situations and feelings, sounds etc. I listened to A LOT of early > Joni > last year while tabbing some of her unreleased songs, and I got such a > charge out of her showmanship. She would go into these venues, with just > her guitar and not only perform an amazing body of work, but also spin > these > wonderful dialogues. As I listened to several different shows, the same > story would come up (with little differences) but you could tell that the > intent was to "entertain" not so much to explain her songwriting process. > I > especially loved the story she would tell before "Blue on Blue" about a > daydreamer out on a date with a teenage girl who had a burning crush on > him. > It's almost like a small playlet ... but doesn't reveal much about how > Joni > really came up with the song (IMHO). > > I wonder about how losing that intimacy with the audience changed how Joni > felt about performing. The image of her turning on the audience at Isle > of > Wight to tell the story about the "tourists" was kind of an angry version > of > her earlier banter. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net [mailto:est86mlm@ameritech.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara; sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: Marcie > > Laura & Sue, > > Recently I read this article looking for info for a video posting...... > > Joni specifically talks about the real Marcie and the writing of the song. > > She says: > > "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard," she admits. "We never knew each > other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of > each other. > My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's > religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly > Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. > > 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who > walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? > > "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I > used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in > all these songs. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=178 > > > > Laura > > > > ... but my question is, how many of the long stories that Joni used to > tell > in the old days (while re-tuning) should we all believe hook, line and > sinker? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: misses If I hear ONE song from HOSL, I immediately want to hear the entire record. Maybe it's that whole "conceived as a whole" thing. Bob NP: Green Day, "21st Century Breakdown" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim To: JMDL Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 9:59:52 PM Subject: misses I've been playing "misses" every day at work for a while now. I'm really enjoying some stuff for the first time, like "The Reoccuring Dream". I'm enjoying the collection. After "Harry's House/Centerpiece" I always want to hear "Sweet Bird". I guess I really like THOSL. I mean I really, really like it. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2011 #27 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe