From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #339 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 10 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 339 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: Paddock BillBoard [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge [TheStaff@JoniM] New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On [TheStaff@JoniMitch] New Library item: Remembering albums for the look as much as the music [T] New Library item: Loving Joni a little [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge [Merk54@aol] Re: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On [Lieve Reckers ] Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge [Bob.Muller] RE: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge [Susan Tier] Re: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... [Les I] Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge ["Mark" Subject: Re: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On This is probably a message for Les. I see that this article, and the other one, the review of DJRD, has some in-built problem with apostrophes (showing them as the word "'s" which is quite distracting). I would be happy to clean up those texts for you, so let me know if that would be useful, and how I should go about it. All the best, Lieve ________________________________ From: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 9 December, 2010 17:40:52 Subject: New Library item: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Title: Such Stuffing As Dreams Are Made On Publication: Washington Post Date: 1977.11.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2322 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:00:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I'll give him this; in 1978 it was WAY out of step with what everyone else was doing. To most of us, that's a good thing. With a couple of exceptions (the title track and Talk To Me) it's not even related to its predecessor. But to say that it doesn't exhibit the lyrical brilliance of her earlier work is just flat out wrong. OK, maybe you could make that case for Tenth World. I wonder what the reviewer thinks of it now, 33 years later. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "All These Strangers" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:17:15 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge I like that you say artistic progression here Bob. I would love to ask Joni what was the moment in her career when she knew she was taking off into a totally different direction ... If I were to guess after the Blue/For the Roses period of feeling so raw, I don't think she could ever go back to the folk/rock "mafia" that was going on in LA. I guess I realized this when I was listening to "Lesson In Survival" this morning. "Your friends protect you, scrutinize me, I get so damn timid, not at all the spirit that's inside me." So she hits the road "Snake kite flying on a string." I also have been "living" with DJRD this month and it's really amazing. Although I understand what the author means when he says " Mitchell's own guitar, once the silky accompaniment for her passionate vocals, is clipped and metallic and all the songs hum like a large generator," I like that her tunings are more discordant and layered. It fits with the impressionistic lyrics, I think. Joni is PROG. :-) Take care, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: Merk54@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I'll give him this; in 1978 it was WAY out of step with what everyone else was doing. To most of us, that's a good thing. With a couple of exceptions (the title track and Talk To Me) it's not even related to its predecessor. But to say that it doesn't exhibit the lyrical brilliance of her earlier work is just flat out wrong. OK, maybe you could make that case for Tenth World. I wonder what the reviewer thinks of it now, 33 years later. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "All These Strangers" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:42:27 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... This has also been on JM.com since 97: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=94 On 12/7/2010 2:03 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/news/a-mother-and-child-reunion-via-the-web/97755 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:52:35 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:00 PM To: Merk54@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: Daughter: Bitterness With a Steely Edge It reads like it's from someone who resented Joni's artistic progression. Reminds me of her quote "they condemn you for changing, they condemn you for staying the same, I'd rather change since it's more interesting" (paraphrased). I agree with Sue. This quote is the perfect response to that review, Bob, and the review does sound resentful, to say the least. The way the actual review reads, it seems the reviewer is the one that's bitter. The language in it fairly drips acid. It's not like the let's-see-how-nasty-and-sarcastic-I-can-get-just-to-be-funny reviews that you see so often on blogs or personal web-sites. It's well-written and doesn't seem to be going for snarkiness. But boy does it ever miss the mark in interpreting DJRD or understanding Joni's artistic direction! Or any thing between DJRD and the 'lyric brilliance and vibrant feel of "Court and Spark"'. Shame on Joni for recording something popular and then refusing to get stuck in a rut! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #339 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe