From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #338 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 8 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 338 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Many threads (some Joni) [] John Kelly [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [Paul Castle ] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Many threads (some Joni) [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: John Kelly [Lieve Reckers ] Joni with child [Steve Dulson ] A new convert?? [Lindsay Moon ] Re: A new convert?? [Dave Blackburn ] Re: A new convert?? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: A new convert?? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [Paul Castle ] Re: A new convert?? [Lindsay Moon ] Joni knits ... [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Joni knits ... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [Mags ] Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... [Susan Tie] Re: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... [Mags ] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [] Re: Many threads (some Joni) [Michael Paz ] Don Juan's Missing CD [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Back to the Garden Joni [] Re: Don Juan's Missing CD ["frank david caldwell" Subject: Many threads (some Joni) Hi all, I've been so tied up these days and have wanted to respond to so many discussions but have been running around too much to respond to so much good discussion. But it's to the point where I just have to jump in with my 50+ cents on so many subjects! First, thanks to Paul C., Lieve, Bob and Simon for so many wonderful informative posts sharing music. I have enjoyed your contributions very much these days. To my dear friend Paz - I can't begin to tell you how happy and insanely jealous I am reading about (to me) your astounding time in Brazil with the band. OMG. My ultimate dream would have been there to experience that music. To the Dulsons - I am so happy that Michelle has secured a very good job and I do hope this will mean more chances for you to attend the next Jonifest ;-) By the way, ahem, um, anyone planning the next one? Sue - I had no idea you were so involved with the Joni/Kilauren reunion! How fantastic. I remember exactly where I was when I read the L.A. Times article that they had reunited and was just overcome because I had always read between the lines that she had a child out there. I lurked on the list for awhile before I emerged and "knew" all you original members for awhile. I thought you were such a special group of people. This list also was a lifesaver to me in many ways at the time I "joined" in (1997) and I can never totally express all my appreciation for you all and how you have enriched my life all these years. I didn't know Sue had a chance to attend the taping. I really wish she had been there. It was beyond bliss and off the chart for us who were there. Mark - my parents let my high school boyfriend take me to see Hair at the Aquarius Theater in Hollywood in 1970. Neither my parents nor I had any clue there was anything risque about it! We just loved the wonderful music from it and thought it was the place to be and the musical to see! My shocking moment was seeing the long-haired hippie guy from my high school in the local cast! I felt proud of him but it was also like, oooh, he's nude on the stage ;-) I still have my original program somewhere. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to you all and send you my love. Thanks also so much to those of you who have been so caring to me through a rough year. Love you, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:55:35 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: John Kelly Stunning Egon trip doesn't paint full picture By ELISABETH VINCENTELLI *Last Updated:* 3:40 AM, December 7, 2010 *Posted:* 11:04 PM, December 6, 2010 Sausage, anybody? Actually, John Kelly's "Pass the Blutwurst, Bitte" has nothing to do with meat products and everything to do with Austrian painter Egon Schiele. A skilled chameleon, writer-director-performer Kelly is best known for his precise impersonation of Joni Mitchell. Here, he contorts his lithe, athletic body into angular poses similar to the ones in Schiele's self-portraits. The resemblance is uncanny, even downright spooky at times. Visitors to the Neue Galerie museum will be in familiar terrain. But the stroll down memory lane is twofold: Set in early-20th century Vienna, the piece also transports us back to the New York experimental scene of the 1980s. Kelly first started playing Schiele in underground clubs in 1982, then presented full productions of "Blutwurst" in 1986 and 1995. The nearly wordless 75-minute show is typical of the anything-goes mix of genres that made the East Village so creatively vibrant back then. It uses dance, mime, film, drawings and music to present both Schiele's art and his life with muse/model Wally (Tymberly Canale) and wife Edith (MacKenzie Meehan). Anthony Chase has added new footage to his older black-and-white projections, and it all feels of a piece. Visually, "Blutwurst" is often stunning, an Expression-istic fantasy somewhere between silent movie and hallucination. But some of the choices feel odd, and, like some of the choreography, haven't aged well. Kelly is often flanked by two Schiele figures (Eric Jackson Bradley and Luke Murphy), whose mere presence introduces a latent homoeroticism -- Schiele was accused of many things, but not of that. More of a problem is that there's a certain gentleness to Kelly. Yet "gentle" is the last thing that comes to mind when you think of Schiele -- he was arrested for pornography, after all, and his portraits of women could be grotesque and gynecological at the same time. Schiele's description of sexuality and the body could be brutally frank; Kelly's gaze is wrapped in gauze. We're in a dream, when we should be in a nightmare. *elisabeth.vincentelli* *@nypost.com* Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:09:03 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) Kakki wrote > Hi all, > > I've been so tied up these days and have wanted to respond to so many > discussions but have been running around too much to respond to so much good > discussion. But it's to the point where I just have to jump in with my 50+ > cents on so many subjects! Gulp!!! Literally just 10 minutes *before* reading your post, Kakki, I was sitting at my desk drinking a cup of coffee, thinking about when I first found the jmdl (12 years ago!) and how I miss Kakki's regular posts (I really was!!). Lovely to hear from you - so sorry to hear you've had a tough year. I was also thinking about a very popular thread back then - something like "Why don't more people post?" It still baffles me! According to jmdl.com we're now 1,200 strong and yet still only a handful of folks ever post. Personally love contributing (even if no one replies). I remember that many of the people who replied to that "Why don't more people post?" thread said that they were on digest and felt that they were often too late to join in the discussion. As has been suggested, the way round this is to also sign up to get the individual posts as well and have them filtered directly into a folder - ie keeping them from cluttering up your Inbox - very easy to do on Gmail, at least. very best to all PaulC NP - only just recently discovered Joni singing on this 1999 track - 'Steadfast' by Brian Blade Fellowship (from the album 'Perceptual') - http://blip.fm/~zeg1h ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:19:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) Man, how'd you miss that one Paul? Isn't it an amazing track? Sounds like Joni produced by Lanois which is something I'd love to hear. Bob NP: Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings, "Better Things" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:01:11 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Many threads (some Joni) Hi Kakki!! Thanks for your message. I'm so glad you were able to get to Painting with Words and Music. I did get front row at the Back To The Garden concert in 1998 which was amazing! Wally had given me a press pass to take photos. I was chatting with a New York Times reporter, both of us crying when Joni came on stage. I wish I could remember her name. It was also very cool to photograph Richie Havens, Donovan, Melanie, Lou Reed! And of course, Pete Townsend. What a show he put on!! Hope things are going well for you!! Love, Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kbhla@fastmail.fm Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:12 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Many threads (some Joni) Hi all, I've been so tied up these days and have wanted to respond to so many discussions but have been running around too much to respond to so much good discussion. But it's to the point where I just have to jump in with my 50+ cents on so many subjects! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:11:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: John Kelly That's fascinating, Jerry! I saw a lot of Schiele's work in Vienna last year. Can't really imagine anyone doing a show about it. And by John Kelly of the Joni impersonations, of all people! He must be an extraordinarily original artist. I really wish I could have seen both shows - and I remember you telling us that he was stopping with the Joni show, so that's another thing that will never happen - but at least through you I know they existed. Lieve - ----- Original Message ---- From: Gerald Notaro To: Joni List Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 12:55:35 Subject: John Kelly Stunning Egon trip doesn't paint full picture By ELISABETH VINCENTELLI *Last Updated:* 3:40 AM, December 7, 2010 *Posted:* 11:04 PM, December 6, 2010 Sausage, anybody? Actually, John Kelly's "Pass the Blutwurst, Bitte" has nothing to do with meat products and everything to do with Austrian painter Egon Schiele. A skilled chameleon, writer-director-performer Kelly is best known for his precise impersonation of Joni Mitchell. Here, he contorts his lithe, athletic body into angular poses similar to the ones in Schiele's self-portraits. The resemblance is uncanny, even downright spooky at times. Visitors to the Neue Galerie museum will be in familiar terrain. But the stroll down memory lane is twofold: Set in early-20th century Vienna, the piece also transports us back to the New York experimental scene of the 1980s. Kelly first started playing Schiele in underground clubs in 1982, then presented full productions of "Blutwurst" in 1986 and 1995. The nearly wordless 75-minute show is typical of the anything-goes mix of genres that made the East Village so creatively vibrant back then. It uses dance, mime, film, drawings and music to present both Schiele's art and his life with muse/model Wally (Tymberly Canale) and wife Edith (MacKenzie Meehan). Anthony Chase has added new footage to his older black-and-white projections, and it all feels of a piece. Visually, "Blutwurst" is often stunning, an Expression-istic fantasy somewhere between silent movie and hallucination. But some of the choices feel odd, and, like some of the choreography, haven't aged well. Kelly is often flanked by two Schiele figures (Eric Jackson Bradley and Luke Murphy), whose mere presence introduces a latent homoeroticism -- Schiele was accused of many things, but not of that. More of a problem is that there's a certain gentleness to Kelly. Yet "gentle" is the last thing that comes to mind when you think of Schiele -- he was arrested for pornography, after all, and his portraits of women could be grotesque and gynecological at the same time. Schiele's description of sexuality and the body could be brutally frank; Kelly's gaze is wrapped in gauze. We're in a dream, when we should be in a nightmare. *elisabeth.vincentelli* *@nypost.com* Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:28:18 -0500 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni with child Sue wrote: >The only >other thing I can relay about that time was Wally offered me a front row seat at >the filming of Painting with Words and Music and I couldn't go because I >couldn't afford the airfare. One of the great regrets of my life. Boo hoo!! I wish you'd been there! But then, maybe I got your seat?!? *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA President, FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:39:53 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: A new convert?? My 14-year-old son (as well as my 16-year-old daughter) have long scoffed at Joni or the mention of playing her music, just because I love it so. Sarah's boyfriend played it smart by saying, "Gee, I understand Joni wasn't at the original Woodstock. Why was that?" 20 minutes later, he had his full, complete answer. (I didn't sing it from beginning to end for him which I thought might be overwhelming). But the other day, Dennis, who is now a major guitar player and whose heroes are Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, etc. said to me, "I think I may have gotten to the point where I could maybe listen to some Joni Mitchell. Jimmy Page just loves her and I'd like to hear her." Thank you, Jimmy, for finally getting it through to my son! We've watched "It Might Get Loud" a few times which Dennis loves. It's a documentary following the meeting of Jimmy, the Edge, and Jack White (whom I love as an innovator). While it was very interesting, it was all I could do to say as Jimmy riffed on another Led Zep song, 'what has the guy done lately??' Here's Joni, changing and growing throughout her life and career. And here's Jimmy on his massive estate strumming some song he wrote in 1972 and resting on his Led Zep laurels. Well, all I could suggest to Dennis was that my recommendation for Joni was to do as I did, to start at the very beginning to grasp where she started, why she was innovative at her very beginning, and then move through each album to see the huge growth between each one. Why is there not a formal course for this??? Dave Blackburn????? I'll let you all know how it goes. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:55:35 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: A new convert?? Hah! Is that an invitation or an accusation Lindsay? So sorry, I'll get on that right away!! But seriously, I think McGill University does offer a formal course in Joni Mitchell. We have seen the footage of their classes playing for Joni and a lecturer at the podium talking about The Last Time I Saw Richard. And there are dozens of FAR more qualified people on this list to teach such a course than me. Just because I tend to hold forth doesn't make me the expert! cheers and happy holidays to all of you, Dave, Robin and the Mutts P.S Lieve and Anita and Henning and Christina were so gracious in hosting Robin and myself in house concerts this past September in the UK and Denmark. We are hoping to line up lots more gigging opportunities for the new year if anyone would be interested in hosting one in their area. It would be great to have a summer tour take shape where we could play a night of Joni for you and your invitees and move some more copies of Safaris to the Heart, which, may I add, would make lovely Christmas gifts. > > Why is there not a formal course for this??? Dave Blackburn????? > > I'll let you all know how it goes. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:18:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: A new convert?? Not sure you can accuse Jimmy of resting on his Led Zep laurels, BUT even if you can those are some hefty laurels to rest on. Any musician would be proud to have that level of quality on their resume, actually to their credit that they didn't keep on going, steadily downhill year after year. But that's a whole 'nuther topic. Glad you finally got through to Dennis and you've been smart not to smother him and let him discover for himself. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd suggest he starts with STAS and moves forward. When I was a teenage rock and roll lover, the LAST thing I was interested in was a "girl with guitar" flowery, folky record. Matter of fact, I recall laughing out loud when I heard Chelsea Morning on the radio and decrying to my Mom how awful it was. I had to start with Hejira and C&S and eventually work back from there (and it was much later before I did). I think you can sell him with some of the rhythms of the mid-70's stuff (Black Crow, Coyote, In France, Jungle Line, and Amelia and Hejira from S&L with Metheny's amazing work). If he's a guitar fan you might can hook him that way. I don't see him falling for STAS, Clouds, LOTC right off. But he's a great kid, and he's your son, so you know him better than me. I'm just giving you my perspective regarding my journey. Obviously I hope whatever he decides will stick. Bob NP: Santana w/Chris Cornell "Whole Lotta Love" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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He's 24 years young and LOVES Joni and alternate tunings. So he came in on Shadows and Light which I think would concur with what Bob says. Although I think the guitar work on Sisotowbell Lane is pretty nice (I think Jimmy Page thought so too!). Good job Lindsay ... I always like the Joni by osmosis strategy!!! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:19 AM To: Lindsay Moon Cc: Joni List Subject: Re: A new convert?? Not sure you can accuse Jimmy of resting on his Led Zep laurels, BUT even if you can those are some hefty laurels to rest on. Any musician would be proud to have that level of quality on their resume, actually to their credit that they didn't keep on going, steadily downhill year after year. But that's a whole 'nuther topic. Glad you finally got through to Dennis and you've been smart not to smother him and let him discover for himself. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd suggest he starts with STAS and moves forward. When I was a teenage rock and roll lover, the LAST thing I was interested in was a "girl with guitar" flowery, folky record. Matter of fact, I recall laughing out loud when I heard Chelsea Morning on the radio and decrying to my Mom how awful it was. I had to start with Hejira and C&S and eventually work back from there (and it was much later before I did). I think you can sell him with some of the rhythms of the mid-70's stuff (Black Crow, Coyote, In France, Jungle Line, and Amelia and Hejira from S&L with Metheny's amazing work). If he's a guitar fan you might can hook him that way. I don't see him falling for STAS, Clouds, LOTC right off. But he's a great kid, and he's your son, so you know him better than me. I'm just giving you my perspective regarding my journey. Obviously I hope whatever he decides will stick. Bob NP: Santana w/Chris Cornell "Whole Lotta Love" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 17:01:45 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) I wrote: > track - 'Steadfast' by Brian Blade Fellowship (from the album > 'Perceptual') - http://blip.fm/~zeg1h> Bob wrote: > Man, how'd you miss that one Paul? Isn't it an amazing track? Sounds like > Joni produced by Lanois which is something I'd love to hear. Found the track on Spotify along with this review - http://bit.ly/dTpzVX > For Perceptual, Blade even handled production > duties himself, and in all honesty, turned in a > finished product more complete and engaging > than the group's Daniel Lanois-produced debut. > Lanois plays spooky fuzz guitar on one track, > and former Blade employer Joni Mitchell adds > a willowy vocal on another. best to all PaulC NP Stacey Kent's wonderfully soothing cover of 'You've Got A Friend' - http://blip.fm/~z6i8q ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:39:20 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Re: A new convert?? Bob, I think you have a very good point. And since he is not at all familiar with what was going on in folk in the '60s to be able to discern how different she was, it would be a wasted effort. I was going to merely distill it down to many people at that time relied on major keys and never strayed from that. I have played the kids "Empty, Try Another" to show what she did with the sounds of a cigarette machine. And Dave, I'm just joking around with you. But with your mix of Joni music knowledge, guitar proficiency, etc. you've got the whole package. I'll see what I come up with. Maybe a song a day. But then it always took me about 10 listens to even grasp half of what she was doing, musically, lyrically, etc. and as many on the list have reported, even 20 years after hearing a song, something will come clear to you. I'm just glad he's got a great attitude about learning more! I will watch for the eyes glazing over and know that I've said enough. Lindsay On Dec 7, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Not sure you can accuse Jimmy of resting on his Led Zep laurels, BUT even if you can those are some hefty laurels to rest on. Any musician would be proud to have that level of quality on their resume, actually to their credit that they didn't keep on going, steadily downhill year after year. > > But that's a whole 'nuther topic. Glad you finally got through to Dennis and you've been smart not to smother him and let him discover for himself. > > Having said that, I'm not sure I'd suggest he starts with STAS and moves forward. When I was a teenage rock and roll lover, the LAST thing I was interested in was a "girl with guitar" flowery, folky record. Matter of fact, I recall laughing out loud when I heard Chelsea Morning on the radio and decrying to my Mom how awful it was. I had to start with Hejira and C&S and eventually work back from there (and it was much later before I did). I think you can sell him with some of the rhythms of the mid-70's stuff (Black Crow, Coyote, In France, Jungle Line, and Amelia and Hejira from S&L with Metheny's amazing work). If he's a guitar fan you might can hook him that way. I don't see him falling for STAS, Clouds, LOTC right off. But he's a great kid, and he's your son, so you know him better than me. I'm just giving you my perspective regarding my journey. Obviously I hope whatever he decides will stick. > > Bob > > NP: Santana w/Chris Cornell "Whole Lotta Love"------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:16:26 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Joni knits ... I've been on a quest to find that tabloid article from the 80s that everyone is talking about. In the meantime, I'm finding other articles that are fascinating. This one is on the JM.com site: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=611&from=search Excerpt from The New Joni Mitchell: The Songbird of Woodstock soars into Jazz By Carla Hill, Washington Post, August 25, 1979 "She has a house in Los Angeles and a loft in New York. For the past two years, she said, she has been living with Don Alias, her percussionist on the tour. Alias is a tall, well-built man with a warm smile who sits quietly in the back of the limousine with her. "We've talked about getting married," she said. "I don't know. Kids? I don't know about that either." She smiled softly. "I'm really strong as far as child-bearing goes. But it's a difficult time to bring kids into the world." Mitchell was born in Alberta Canada, and raised in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. She went off to the Alberta College of Art in Calgary for one year, but started singing folk music in coffee houses, and pursued music. She still paints, and some of her albums display her artwork. "I go on jags," she said. "When I was in a writing block during Mingus I painted 14 canvases. Two are on the album cover. Sometimes I carry a sketch book. And I've been doing some canvases in my New York loft. I'm always doing some extracurricular art project." She also knits, and she proudly pulled out a simple, neatly done multicoloured sweater. "Every time I get on a plane now, I take along a bag of coloured yarns. I'm making a sweater for Don now." Boy, I would love to see some of Joni's hand knit sweaters!!!! :) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni knits ... "I want to knit you a sweater, want to write you a love letter." There was also the story of her staying at the place in BC (Lord Jim's?) while waiting for her house to be built and encountering the strange older couple, where the woman says something like, "Look at all them goddam stars!" Joni talks about sitting in bed naked, knitting, when this woman just walked in and started yakking to her. I admire those who can knit. I never could figure that stuff out. It makes me cross-eyed. I've been enjoying the stories about the early jmdl days, before it was the jmdl really. All you brave pioneers! I think it wasn't until a couple of years after you all were chatting on line that I even had access to a computer and, of course, you can guess what I looked up first, and that's how I found jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com. Before that, who was there to talk to about Joni things? How cool that you were instrumental in reuniting Joan and Kilauren! Also the story (from Laura, I think?) about how wanting to look into things Joni was what got her even interested in using a computer at all. I think Joni herself has said that she's not particularly computer-literate, or words to that effect. How ironic is that! While I'd love to have her on line, I'd rather have her creating art and music than wasting anywhere near the time some of us (pointing directly at myself) do, doing foolish things on the computer. And yet, without the computer and the internetz, we wouldn't have this amazing community. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: Joni List > Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 2:16:26 PM > Subject: Joni knits ... > > I've been on a quest to find that tabloid article from the 80s that everyone > is talking about. In the meantime, I'm finding other articles that are > fascinating. This one is on the JM.com site: > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=611&from=search > > Excerpt from The New Joni Mitchell: The Songbird of Woodstock soars into Jazz > By Carla Hill, Washington Post, August 25, 1979 > > [...] > She also knits, and she proudly pulled out a simple, neatly done multicoloured > sweater. "Every time I get on a plane now, I take along a bag of coloured > yarns. I'm making a sweater for Don now." > > Boy, I would love to see some of Joni's hand knit sweaters!!!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) Paul Castle wrote: > > I was also thinking about a very popular thread back > then - something like "Why don't more people post?" > > It still baffles me! According to jmdl.com we're now > 1,200 strong and yet still only a handful of folks ever > post. > now moi: for me, it all depends on whether or not i have a tonne of time to post. so many things fly by me, new threads emerge and at times, I'm sitting here (freezing in the Peg just now) and cannot for the life of me put together anything other than oh yea, me too, nod nod nod and that sort of thing. i have learned (okay fine, sometimes still learning!) to try and not take it personally when a post i've made doesnt get air time. It's okay, really. I could just quit all of my day jobs and hang out here and truly catch up. Glad I'm here, over ten years now...and boysohboys the lessons learned. everything joni and beyond. (sorry for the lower case, too darned lazy). :P Mags shivering it all awaayyyy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:03:19 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... http://www.zdnet.com/news/a-mother-and-child-reunion-via-the-web/97755 This article actually is an interview with Wally Breese about the connection between the website and the reunion. Thanks for finding this, T! There is also a picture of the old Globe article here, but it's not possible to read it from the picture unfortunately: http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=240294281 Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Thanks to T Peckham for this old article about the reunion ... what a wonderful find, thanks Terra!! and thanks, Sue, for posting it. Big time shivers reading it. I cannot overstate this as to just how hard it was to find any background information. Again and again, what you were greeted with was 'how dare you' and then the slamming of many a closed door to the queendom of knowledge vis a vis one's birth family. Kilauren is very lucky that she received as much identifying information as she did. (not the norm) I think it all depends on who was doing the writing of said information. as many of you know, I've shared the story of my own little green. when i first found the internet, my search was all things adoption, and somehow that got linked into the big news story of Joni and Kilauren. Holio intense times were they. i hesitate to go into details as they have been repeated over and over, more so in the early years. I could be coaxed into it again, lol! if anyone was interested from the view of the process and all the underground railway ties that exist for those in the adoption constellation. whew...no one was really prepared for what lay on the other side of the looking glass. believe me! anyway...this is how/why i know all too well about the issues of sealed records (to me, the ultimate in cruelty) and the fact that especially at the time of Joni's situation, there was no way in hell that anyone ever imagined that the people concerned might want/need and be successful at finding one another. Nor was it deemed one's right to have that information one day. She signed all the papers in her family name and she would have done so, point blank, saying she was no longer the mother of this child. Messed up or what!!! I still think it had to be daunting as hell for Kilauren to learn that she is Joni Mitchell's daughter!!! bah nuff said (for now ;) Mags - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:31:30 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) Hi Paul, > Gulp!!! Literally just 10 minutes *before* reading > your post, Kakki, I was sitting at my desk drinking > a cup of coffee, thinking about when I first found > the jmdl (12 years ago!) and how I miss Kakki's > regular posts (I really was!!). Lovely to hear from > you - so sorry to hear you've had a tough year. Thanks! Wow, I must have picked up your signal loud and clear way over here! I went on digest awhile back, in part because it slowed me down from responding and talking *too* much and I thought that was all for the common good ;-) I needed a way to tamp down my signal to squawk ratio a bit - LOL. Nonetheless, I still read and enjoy everything posted. I think one way to look at it (when someone posts and sometimes people don't respond) is that at least people here from all over the planet ARE regularly reading, listening and appreciating the contributions - or else why would so many (though often silent) hundreds still be subscribed? ;-) All best to you, too, Paul! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:14:16 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Many threads (some Joni) Hi Kakki It has been a mad tour. We went from that wonderful heat to the miserable cold of Alaska but OMG how beautiful. We even got to see some Northern Lights last night. We are in Vancouver at the moment and I love this town. Had a great sushi lunch and getting ready to go load in the show. I was hoping to see Yael tonight but alas she is tied up with dinner plans. Great to hear from you. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:11 AM, wrote: Hi all, I've been so tied up these days and have wanted to respond to so many discussions but have been running around too much to respond to so much good discussion. But it's to the point where I just have to jump in with my 50+ cents on so many subjects! First, thanks to Paul C., Lieve, Bob and Simon for so many wonderful informative posts sharing music. I have enjoyed your contributions very much these days. To my dear friend Paz - I can't begin to tell you how happy and insanely jealous I am reading about (to me) your astounding time in Brazil with the band. OMG. My ultimate dream would have been there to experience that music. To the Dulsons - I am so happy that Michelle has secured a very good job and I do hope this will mean more chances for you to attend the next Jonifest ;-) By the way, ahem, um, anyone planning the next one? Sue - I had no idea you were so involved with the Joni/Kilauren reunion! How fantastic. I remember exactly where I was when I read the L.A. Times article that they had reunited and was just overcome because I had always read between the lines that she had a child out there. I lurked on the list for awhile before I emerged and "knew" all you original members for awhile. I thought you were such a special group of people. This list also was a lifesaver to me in many ways at the time I "joined" in (1997) and I can never totally express all my appreciation for you all and how you have enriched my life all these years. I didn't know Sue had a chance to attend the taping. I really wish she had been there. It was beyond bliss and off the chart for us who were there. Mark - my parents let my high school boyfriend take me to see Hair at the Aquarius Theater in Hollywood in 1970. Neither my parents nor I had any clue there was anything risque about it! We just loved the wonderful music from it and thought it was the place to be and the musical to see! My shocking moment was seeing the long-haired hippie guy from my high school in the local cast! I felt proud of him but it was also like, oooh, he's nude on the stage ;-) I still have my original program somewhere. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to you all and send you my love. Thanks also so much to those of you who have been so caring to me through a rough year. Love you, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:36:30 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Don Juan's Missing CD This past weekend I upgraded several pieces of my home stereo / theater and was looking to break it in with a listen to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I got the CD out of the rack, opened it up and to my horror, the case was empty! I'm sure it got stuck in some other case and will turn up eventually, but I'm way too impatient for that. So I am now in the market for a new version of DJRD. A while back I thought I read on the list that someone was putting out some special versions of Joni's catalogue and I don't remember who or what CDs were to be included (I might not be remembering this correctly at all - maybe it was special vinyl versions). Any way, if anyone knows which CD version has the best audio on it, I would appreciate them letting me know. The end of the above story, I dragged out my vinyl lp and listened to that. What a magical way to break in a new system. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:06:54 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Back to the Garden Joni Oh Sue! The Back to the Garden concert with Joni and the others was fantastic!! I remember that a bunch of us were obsessively engaged watching it at home on the "Pod Cast" - probably all on the old dial-up internet at the time! I've been sifting through and sorting stuff at home lately and actually found a video of it! I'll have to re-watch it again. Thanks for your good thoughts, Sue, and the cool reminiscing! Kakki Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:56:17 +1100 From: "frank david caldwell" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Missing CD Hi Jack,I Just bought DJRD at Amazon and it's in HDCD,it's sound quality is SO much better than my original CD. Regards Frank in Sydney NP.Shhh Prince frankcal@bigpond.net.au - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: Don Juan's Missing CD > This past weekend I upgraded several pieces of my home stereo / theater and > was looking to break it in with a listen to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. > I got the CD out of the rack, opened it up and to my horror, the case was > empty! I'm sure it got stuck in some other case and will turn up > eventually, but I'm way too impatient for that. So I am now in the market for a > new version of DJRD. A while back I thought I read on the list that someone > was putting out some special versions of Joni's catalogue and I don't > remember who or what CDs were to be included (I might not be remembering this > correctly at all - maybe it was special vinyl versions). > > Any way, if anyone knows which CD version has the best audio on it, I > would appreciate them letting me know. > > The end of the above story, I dragged out my vinyl lp and listened to > that. What a magical way to break in a new system. > > Jack ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #338 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe