From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #331 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 1 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 331 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Tight little nuggets [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Tight little nuggets [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JMDL archives revisited [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs [Susan Tierney McNama] RE: Tight little nuggets [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Tight little nuggets in coyote [Mags ] David Mingus [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: David Mingus [Mags ] Re: David Mingus [Lori Fye ] Re: David Mingus [Bob Muller ] Re: David Mingus [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:55:27 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Tight little nuggets Hope you and Robin had a great thanksgiving Dave. After trying to play Don Juan's reckless daughter for the last month, I'm feeling like these little nuggets are definitely worth the effort of pulling apart when you find them. The line I love in DJRD is "As we center behind the eight ball, As we rock between the sheets, As we siphon the colored language, off the farms and the streets." I don't think I ever really paid attention to the last two phrases there. sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Joni List Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving all. It continues to be a wonderful ride connecting with all you clever sensitive folk each day. Currently pondering the meaning of "the virtue of your style inscribed by your contempt for mine". That line never popped out for me before but now I see what a tight little nugget it is. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:23:12 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Tight little nuggets Both Coyote and DJRD (the song) were written together, and about her relationship to Sam Shepard, is that a fair statement? As we center behind the 8-ball: Joni is well-known to be a cracker-jack pool shark As we rock between the sheets: Don't need to explain that one, she & Sam were in a relationship As we siphon the colored language off the farms and the streets: They were/are both writers, drawing off experiences and environment and the duality of their day-to-day (I'm up all night in the studio while you're out early on your ranch"). I feel like this line in DJRD is an extension of the thought in Coyote. Just some random thoughts. Thanks Joni for constantly engaging my brain. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:30:43 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: JMDL archives revisited Thanks Les, I loved how when I typed in the password wrong, the response was "strong and wrong!" hahaha! I've always been curious who the first posters were and it was interesting to read the first 20 digests! This is a great resource. Thanks! Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 8:34 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: JMDL archives revisited Joniphiles - To answer a question from way back... the JMDL archives that show up in web searches are a fact of life, I guess. Most of the problem comes from the Smoe server archives. I've contacted the owner a number of times in the past year, all to no response. Short of driving over to his house and pulling the plug on his server, I think we are stuck with that situation. On the other hand, for those who are interested in a legitimate, fully searchable, up-to-the-latest-digest archive of the JMDL, it is now available again. This database is locked behind closed doors and will not be picked up by any search engine. It requires a login - one which will be only 'advertised' here on the list. This login information will change every few months (and, again, announced only here on the list) to keep it as secure as possible. Check it out - quite handy indeed if I say so myself. http://jmdl.com username: siquomb password: sisotowbell Thanks, Les NP: The Tallest Man on Earth "King of Spain"... man, I love this guy's music! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:45:12 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs All this reminds me of one of her greatest lines, "I love you when I forget about me." I also really enjoyed watching Annette Bening sing it when I finally saw "The Kids Are Alright" this weekend. Great movie. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Walt Breen Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 6:42 PM To: Lieve Reckers; Bob Muller; Jonilist Jmdler Subject: RE: Dangerous fools these mortals be, and Q&A songs Hi all, So nice to hear from so many of you, and thanks for all the kind thoughts and prayers. I thought the Nieztsche quote was interesting, in that many people are attracted to people who are "wrong" [Nietzsche's "dangerous"] for them, all the time wondering silently, or wailing aloud, "Why can't I find a *good/nice* guy/gal who will treat me *right*? Songs like Coyote, Don Junan's Reckless Daughter, and A Strange Boy, and many others lead me to believe that Joni was well aware of this conflict, being attracted to boys who were somehow "inappropriate". The amazing thing about her is her gimlet eye in examining not just what *he* did wrong, but how *she* misbehaved or had unrealistic expectations, rather than just bashing "the other". I'm not sure how much that helps the former objects of affection as they hold their breath, waiting for her dissective songs to come out. ;-} Best to all, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my website: www.learninginsights.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:20:29 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Tight little nuggets Yes, I think you are right. I think both Michelle Mercer and Sheila Weller agreed Coyote was Sam Shepherd. The other line I liked in Coyote (referring to the writer) "and the carbon ribbon rides are spelling it out so clear ..." IBM Selectric was the Ibook of today!! :) Sue From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:23 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Dave Blackburn; Joni List Subject: RE: Tight little nuggets Both Coyote and DJRD (the song) were written together, and about her relationship to Sam Shepard, is that a fair statement? As we center behind the 8-ball: Joni is well-known to be a cracker-jack pool shark As we rock between the sheets: Don't need to explain that one, she & Sam were in a relationship As we siphon the colored language off the farms and the streets: They were/are both writers, drawing off experiences and environment and the duality of their day-to-day (I'm up all night in the studio while you're out early on your ranch"). I feel like this line in DJRD is an extension of the thought in Coyote. Just some random thoughts. Thanks Joni for constantly engaging my brain. Bob NP: Richard Thompson, "The Money Shuffle"------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: RE: Tight little nuggets in coyote I love the line staring a hole in his scrambled eggs....the imagery is spot on fab ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:39:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: David Mingus I'm not putting the NJC tag on this since many of you have met David at some of the fests, the Mendel, and the NYC tribute. Some of you know of the health problems that he's had for many years, but he always bounces back. He's been in the hospital for three months now, with a couple of brief stays at home. He's been in and out of ICU, and always seems to bounce back. I've seen and talked with him quite a few times, and he always has his feisty since of humor. I got a call from his partner David Rolls this morning. Last night was a bad night for him, and they called the family to the room. Rolls said he stayed at the hospital most of the night, and didn't know if Mingus would make it through the night. He told me to stop by the hospital today, since this morning Mingus was somewhat coherent. I got there this afternoon around 2:30, and he was sleeping with Miles of Aisles playing. In fact it was "Jericho"when I walked in. I woke him up and he said "Jimmy," but fell back asleep. I stayed with him for about an hour while listening to Joni. Periodically, he would wake up and say "Hi Jimmy, I love you." It was very difficult to hold back the tears. Ashara, Jody, Kay, and a few others, I know what it was like for you with Murphy. As many of you know, I had discovered Joni Mitchell in college with "Court & Spark," but when I met David in the early 80's I had never known someone who loved Joni so much. I found JM.Com and the JMDL since he didn't have a computer, and used to print all the info for him. He could recite every line from every song she wrote. His big thrills in life was being able to photograph her at the Atlanta concert in '98 and the West Palm concert during her BSN tour. Still when he got to meet her at the Mendel gallery, it was the tops. He still has that pic of him and Joni hanging in his house. I talked with David Rolls after my visit, and he told me they will probably be moving him to Hospice tomorrow or Thursday. I just want you to all keep him in your thoughts and prayers. He's fought for so long, so maybe he can keep fighting. He still has Joni with him. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: David Mingus oh Jimmy, this is heartbreaking news. And yet. I am so glad you are able to visit David (and offer support to his partner David, as well. Ah geeze, I'm all teary eyed here. David has been a huge support in my time of need. You know, he even planted a flowering tree for my brother Dave, when he died. I still have the photograph and will never forget his kindness. I am not sure he would remember me during this time, however, I would dearly love and appreciate it if you would kindly give David a gentle hug/touch on the arm, something, and let him know that I'm praying for him. with love and care, Mags - --- On Tue, 11/30/10, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Subject: David Mingus > To: joni@smoe.org > Received: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 5:39 PM > I'm not putting the NJC tag on this > since many of you have met David at > some of the fests, the Mendel, and the NYC tribute. Some of > you know of the > health problems that he's had for many years, but he always > bounces back. He's > been in the hospital for three months now, with a couple of > brief stays at > home. He's been in and out of ICU, and always seems to > bounce back. I've > seen and talked with him quite a few times, and he always > has his feisty since > of humor. I got a call from his partner David Rolls > this morning. Last > night was a bad night for him, and they called the family > to the room. Rolls > said he stayed at the hospital most of the night, and > didn't know if Mingus > would make it through the night. He told me to stop > by the hospital today, > since this morning Mingus was somewhat coherent. I > got there this afternoon > around 2:30, and he was sleeping with Miles of Aisles > playing. In fact it > was "Jericho"when I walked in. I woke him up and he > said "Jimmy," but fell > back asleep. I stayed with him for about an hour while > listening to Joni. > Periodically, he would wake up and say "Hi Jimmy, I love > you." It was very > difficult to hold back the tears. Ashara, Jody, Kay, and a > few others, I know > what it was like for you with Murphy. > > As many of you know, I had discovered Joni Mitchell in > college with "Court & > Spark," but when I met David in the early 80's I had never > known someone > who loved Joni so much. I found JM.Com and the JMDL > since he didn't have a > computer, and used to print all the info for him. He > could recite every line > from every song she wrote. His big thrills in life was > being able to > photograph her at the Atlanta concert in '98 and the West > Palm concert during her > BSN tour. Still when he got to meet her at the Mendel > gallery, it was the > tops. He still has that pic of him and Joni hanging in his > house. > > I talked with David Rolls after my visit, and he told me > they will probably > be moving him to Hospice tomorrow or Thursday. I just want > you to all keep > him in your thoughts and prayers. He's fought for so long, > so maybe he can > keep fighting. He still has Joni with him. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:05:51 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: David Mingus Dear Jimmy, Mags was so kind to alert me to this email just now. When you see David again, please whisper in his ear for me, "Play that weird minor chord! And keep fighting the good fight." Thanks. Love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: David Mingus Jimmy, my thoughts are with you and the Davids. Fortunately I had the privilege of meeting him up at the Full Moon. His Joni knowledge was extensive as was his big heart. I hope his passage is as painless as possible - he has been fighting for a long time. All peace and love to Big Mingus. Bob NP: Joni, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: David Mingus Ahh, Jimmy, I'm so sorry. I always thought it was cool that he was a "Mingus." The Davids will both be in my thoughts. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: "FMYFL@aol.com" > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 5:39:29 PM > Subject: David Mingus > > I'm not putting the NJC tag on this since many of you have met David at > some of the fests, the Mendel, and the NYC tribute. Some of you know of the > health problems that he's had for many years, but he always bounces back. >He's > > been in the hospital for three months now, with a couple of brief stays at > home. He's been in and out of ICU, and always seems to bounce back. I've > seen and talked with him quite a few times, and he always has his feisty since > > of humor. I got a call from his partner David Rolls this morning. Last > night was a bad night for him, and they called the family to the room. Rolls > said he stayed at the hospital most of the night, and didn't know if Mingus > would make it through the night. He told me to stop by the hospital today, > since this morning Mingus was somewhat coherent. I got there this afternoon > around 2:30, and he was sleeping with Miles of Aisles playing. In fact it > was "Jericho"when I walked in. I woke him up and he said "Jimmy," but fell > back asleep. I stayed with him for about an hour while listening to Joni. > Periodically, he would wake up and say "Hi Jimmy, I love you." It was very > difficult to hold back the tears. Ashara, Jody, Kay, and a few others, I know > what it was like for you with Murphy. > > As many of you know, I had discovered Joni Mitchell in college with "Court & > Spark," but when I met David in the early 80's I had never known someone > who loved Joni so much. I found JM.Com and the JMDL since he didn't have a > computer, and used to print all the info for him. He could recite every line > from every song she wrote. His big thrills in life was being able to > photograph her at the Atlanta concert in '98 and the West Palm concert during >her > > BSN tour. Still when he got to meet her at the Mendel gallery, it was the > tops. He still has that pic of him and Joni hanging in his house. > > I talked with David Rolls after my visit, and he told me they will probably > be moving him to Hospice tomorrow or Thursday. I just want you to all keep > him in your thoughts and prayers. He's fought for so long, so maybe he can > keep fighting. He still has Joni with him. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #331 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe