From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 20 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 321 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's jazz [Fred Simon ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 130 - Just Say No(vember) [Bob Muller ] re: Movie Talk (now with jc) [c Karma ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Fred Simon Subject: Joni's jazz Someone posted this quote from Joni on her relationship to jazz: "It's not jazz, like people like to think. It has in common with jazz that the harmony is very wide, but there are laws to jazz chordal movement, and this is outside those laws for the most part. With all possible due respect and love to Joni, she's wrong in this ... the best jazz musicians and true aficionados of jazz know that there aren't any laws in jazz, in fact, that's a significant factor in its rapid and expansive development thoughout its relatively short history. Perhaps some mediocre and/or insecure jazz musicians "vibed" her into believing this myth at some point early on, but jazz is a huge umbrella, and much of Joni's music, especially when she worked with great players like Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorious, Herbie Hancock, Pat Metheny, Peter Erskine, Michael Brecker, and Lyle Mays, is absolutely bona fide jazz. She has always pointed to Miles Davis as one of her primary influences ... ironically, Miles broke nearly every so-called law he ever met! And that goes for Wayne, Jaco, Herbie et al, too. Further, she was a musical iconoclast right from the start, incorporating elements of jazz harmony into folk music, and continued to do so throughout her musical career. Someone else here mentioned Last Chance Lost ... if that's not jazz, then nothing is! All the best, Fred - -Fred Simon http://myspace.com/fredsimon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 130 - Just Say No(vember) Thanks for that, Jim - it has been my pleasure to spearhead this effort and share all the goodies. About time to start working on #131. Regarding Retro covers - can ANYONE tell me where I left off? The last one I did was around mid-September. I skipped October due to being out of town and obviously am past mid-November but will happily put the next one up when I get a reminder. Speaking of covers, I have to share a story...years ago, my googling uncovered a French CD by an artist named Olympia with a "Chelsea Morning" on it. Hunted the CD for years, never could find it (at a reasonable price) but finally picked it up on ebay for pretty cheap (4.9 Euros). Anyway, just got it yesterday and come to find out it's ANOTHER song called Chelsea Morning!! What are the odds? Such is life as an OCD Joni covers collector. Bob NP: Harry Nilsson, "As I Wander Lonely" (still on my Harry kick) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:49:10 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: 1968 Festival of Contemporary Song Programme, how did you find Joni? I agree with what you say here Anita, but I find it contrasts with the sentiment earlier in her program entry where the author says: "But if she looked like your grandmother and her voice cracked and she only knew three chords, her performance would be justified by her songs alone." Also, "As a songwriter she plays Yang to Bob Dylan's Yin ..." Either he was giving her the edge or the author didn't know that Yang is the masculine and Yin the feminine in Taoist thought!!! So I think it's kind of a jumble, but ultimately the author thinks she is pretty groovy (yes I said groovy!). :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:39 PM To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: jonipeople LIST Subject: Re: 1968 Festival of Contemporary Song Programme, how did you find Joni? Following on from the Joni and feminism thread recently, I couldn't help noticing the references to Joni's hair and bone structure in my brother Mike's old programme from '68. It just wouldn't happen if the artist had been Bob Dylan. What would they have said about Dylan's hair and bone structure? " The 25 year old with shoulder length, curly brown hair and slightly round face has now written over 60 songs. He paints in his backyard and may even have a future in art." I couldn't see it happening to a bloke at that time. Well, at least some times have changed! Anita On 18 November 2010 18:57, wrote: > > Thanks for this, Anita - the photo they use is a common one but the blurb > is priceless! > > Bob > > NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Must Be Love" > > > > *Anita G * > 11/18/2010 01:18 PM > To > jonipeople LIST > cc > Bob.Muller@fluor.com > Subject > 1968 Festival of Contemporary Song Programme, how did you find Joni? > > > > > > Hi everyone > Les has sent me a new link for my brother Michael's original programme. > It's at: > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/images/19680928.pdf > > It was after seeing Joni at this gig that Michael told me that he'd > seen this 'woman singer' he thought I might 'like'. He then went out > and bought me STAS, which I wore to a frazzle. The rest is > herstory................. > Anita x > PS Mike travelled here and was at the Conker Cabin gig that Dave > Blackburn and Robin did this Summer. Best days of my life! 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With all possible due respect and love to Joni, she's wrong in this ... the best jazz musicians and true aficionados of jazz know that there aren't any laws in jazz, in fact, that's a significant factor in its rapid and expansive development thoughout its relatively short history. Perhaps some mediocre and/or insecure jazz musicians "vibed" her into believing this myth at some point early on, but jazz is a huge umbrella, and much of Joni's music, especially when she worked with great players like Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorious, Herbie Hancock, Pat Metheny, Peter Erskine, Michael Brecker, and Lyle Mays, is absolutely bona fide jazz. She has always pointed to Miles Davis as one of her primary influences ... ironically, Miles broke nearly every so-called law he ever met! And that goes for Wayne, Jaco, Herbie et al, too. Further, she was a musical iconoclast right from the start, incorporating elements of jazz harmony into folk music, and continued to do so throughout her musical career. Someone else here mentioned Last Chance Lost ... if that's not jazz, then nothing is! All the best, Fred - -Fred Simon http://myspace.com/fredsimon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:06:17 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Movie Talk (now with jc) Speaking of movies...did anyone on list EVER wind up seeing "White Banners?" This is the 1938 film that consensus believes is the inspiration for Joni's "Hana." IMDB message boards cite that it was removed from TCM's schedule in 2009 due to rights issues. What a drag. If anyone has a copy please write me off list. CC ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #321 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe