From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #290 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 290 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- BSN in another language [Bob Muller ] Re: BSN in another language [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: BSN in another language [Mags ] RE: DJRD [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: A Case of You ["Robert Sartorius" ] Joni_Wembley Arena_April 24, 1983 [simon@icu.com] Re: BSN in another language [Lieve Reckers ] Joni connections at The London Jazz Festival [Paul Castle Subject: BSN in another language OK, so I've heard this one in a zillion languages, but here's a new one on me - SIGN language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 Oh, and Clay Aiken is singing it. I found the signing very moving. Bob NP: Clay Aiken, BSN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:49:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN in another language Thanks for sharing that Bob. I'm not a big Clay Aiken fan, but I took 3 yrs of sign languague in school. It's such a beautiful language, and so pretty when it's sung. I wish I had kept up with it. I could have signed to "Dancing Clown" at Jonifest with ya LOL Jimmy In a message dated 10/18/2010 6:29:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > OK, so I've heard this one in a zillion languages, but here's a new one > on me - > SIGN language. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 > > Oh, and Clay Aiken is singing it. I found the signing very moving. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: BSN in another language nicely done, very moving indeed. beautiful tender version. love the signing. Mags - --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bob Muller wrote: OK, so I've heard this one in a zillion languages, but here's a new one on me - SIGN language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 Oh, and Clay Aiken is singing it. I found the signing very moving. Bob NP: Clay Aiken, BSN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:50:57 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: DJRD Thanks for the encouragement Bob, I am definitely going to give it a shot ... and add it to my Coyote set list!! :-) NP: that Jane Siberry video! Great! - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #286 Last week Sue posted: "I don't think I've ever played this song, and I think it's because I find the melody boring. It's more Dylanesque in that it's really all about the lyrics. Now that I've said that, I think I need to play it. :-) Sue" Sue - even after discovering the Joni Tabs site that you created, it took me a few years to decide to give playing and singing DJRD a shot. It's got a back beat - you can't lose it. Well, maybe not a back beat, but the same beat as Rock And Roll Music, so if the beat is good enough for Chuck Berry, who sings about the back beat....................And the melody's Dylanesque all right, but it's there nevertheless. I suggest singing along with the song for a while. I'm betting you'll get into it. I think this is Joni's seminally autobiographical statement. I never fail to whoop when I listen to it. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:28:26 -0400 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: A Case of You Mark in Seattle wrote "This has probably already made the rounds but I hadn't seen it before. Does anyone know when and where this performance took place? The voice almost sounds like 90s Joni. Or at least 80s. She's still hitting the high notes but a little 'smoke' has crept in. But it's a great performance." Not definitive, but other postings of this song on the net indicate it was Wembley arena in August 1984. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:06:32 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni_Wembley Arena_April 24, 1983 Mark Travis asked: > Subject: A Case of You > > This has probably already made the rounds but I hadn't seen it before. > Does anyone know when and where this performance took place? > The voice almost sounds like 90s Joni. Or at least 80s. She's still > hitting the high notes but a little 'smoke' has crept in. > But it's a great performance. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I&feature=related > > Mark in Seattle > ------------------ Mark, this concert was recorded at Wembley Arena - April 24, 1983; recorded by the BBC and broadcast on June 19th on the BBC program "Old Grey Whistle Test" I UpLoaded -2- articles you might find interesting: 1. 1983.06.19, RadioTimes 2. 1983.04.25, The Times (of London) Both can be downloaded @ as for the broadcast itself, the following songs were included: 01. Free Man In Paris 02. Song For Sharon 03. God Must Be A Boogie Man 04. Big Yellow Taxi 05. A Case Of You 06. Carey 07. Amelia 08. (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care 09. Solid Love 10. Chinese Cafe / Unchained Melody 11. Woodstock take care. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - s i m o n http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_albums.cfm Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance or conscientious stupidity. - - Martin Luther King, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:32:54 +0100 (BST) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: BSN in another language I wonder - and this may seem a bit critical, but I am just trying to be honest: how much of the meaning, let alone the subtlety, of these lyrics is really conveyed through sign language? I can imagine that the general drift gets across, but I doubt it is much more than than. Please if somebody can tell me that sign language is able to do more, then let me know and I would be delighted. But I have been disturbed recently by the activism of certain deaf people, who insist that their language is just as capable of expression as verbal language. They are very militant about it, there was even a deaf couple who wanted to have a child through in-vitro fertilisation to make sure it was also deaf, because they wanted it to carry on their "culture". I think this is just going too far. Yes, be proud of what you achieve in spite of your disability, but don't sell me BS about how wonderful it is to be deaf... Lieve in London - ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Muller To: JMDL Sent: Mon, 18 October, 2010 11:23:50 Subject: BSN in another language OK, so I've heard this one in a zillion languages, but here's a new one on me - SIGN language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruLwUanEJd0 Oh, and Clay Aiken is singing it. I found the signing very moving. Bob NP: Clay Aiken, BSN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:51:20 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Joni connections at The London Jazz Festival Noticed a few Joni connections at this year's London Jazz Festival next month - http://bit.ly/9m8abV Herbie Hancock's playing two nights at The Royal Festival Hall (Nov 13 & 14) - http://bit.ly/aUEU2F "Hancock returns to London with the live version of his latest recording, The Imagine Project." Not sure if Pink, Seal and India Arie will be there (as in this video) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAQl7qq-aI (89 year old!) Jon Hendricks - of Lambert, Hendricks and Ross ('Twisted' and 'Centerpiece') is playing three nights at Ronnie Scott's (Nov 18- 20) - http://bit.ly/aXzPcz Listen to their version of 'Centerpiece' @ http://blip.fm/~xjzuj and finally (who knows, there may be more) Manu Katche - who played drums (and talking drum) on Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm - is playing at the Queen Elizabeth Hall (Nov 12) - http://bit.ly/ankdiE Love this video of 'Number One' from his fab album 'Neighbourhood' which features Jan Garbarek on sax - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-UXOkpUSqU very best to all PaulC NP Manu Katche with Karima Francis (a brilliant young English singer from Blackpool who looks a lot like a Blonde On Blonde period Dylan) singing 'Use Somebody' (a Kings of Leon cover) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxYj1coS34k ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:15:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN in another language Hey sweet Lieve, I know you could never be critical, but maybe curious. From taking courses in sign language and knowing hearing impaired people, the woman who was signing in the the BSN video did convey the song very well. Sign language is just as much as a language as any other . The hearing impaired world has just as much right to insist their language is justified that their language is as expressive if not more, than any other language. Jimmy In a message dated 10/18/2010 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lievereckers@yahoo.co.uk writes: > I wonder - and this may seem a bit critical, but I am just trying to be > honest: > how much of the meaning, let alone the subtlety, of these lyrics is really > > conveyed through sign language? I can imagine that the general drift gets > > across, but I doubt it is much more than than. Please if somebody can > tell me > that sign language is able to do more, then let me know and I would be > delighted. > But I have been disturbed recently by the activism of certain deaf people, > who > insist that their language is just as capable of expression as verbal > language. > They are very militant about it, there was even a deaf couple who wanted > to have > a child through in-vitro fertilisation to make sure it was also deaf, > because > they wanted it to carry on their "culture". I think this is just going > too > far. Yes, be proud of what you achieve in spite of your disability, but > don't > sell me BS about how wonderful it is to be deaf... > > Lieve in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:52:14 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: DJRD Astrology and Scorpio Totems I enjoyed reading your post about "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter". I'm going to expand on something you said. Here's a tip for the younger fans: a long time ago, an Indian chief was on the US nickel. Canada also has a 5 cent piece called a nickel. Mark, formerly known as Mark in Seattle, said in part >But nothing is totally one side or the other. Even the 'Chief' is a 'nickel Chief', referencing money and not worth much of that> Like so many things on DJRD, Hissing, and Hejira, she crams several things into just a few words. On the surface, she's just saying, "centered on Mother Earth, like the Indian chief who's face we see everyday." Then, as you said, she's has the joke about the nickel not being worth much in the world of capitalism. And finally, I think the nickel chief is another instance of one thing that is really two things (the duality theme). He has his noble, native American side, which is close to nature, and respecting the Mother Earth. He also has an urban side, his capitalist side, because his image has been co-opted for the money. His face is on the coin and the coin is going into a machine. It's a juke box, but it's still a machine and that's a contradiction or paradox. He's not a native American in the wild; he's an Indian on a nickel. He's both things at once, which is why he's in that song. He's the eagle and the serpent. There's a lot to think about in these albums. Sometimes, Joni's lyrics remind me of the Russian eggs we saw in school. Each one contains another, smaller egg, going on and on, smaller and smaller. The chief is noble but he's a nickel which is materialistic but he's producing music which bring us back to noblity, but it's pop music which brings us back to materialism. Is a nickel heads or tails? Wrong: it's both. And, of course, Joni lives in the city but she also lives in a cabin, without electricity. We think we know a lot about Joni, but then we find out that, to her friends, she's "Joan". Then we read the biography and find out that she's also "Roberta". Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #290 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe