From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 16 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 287 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [T Peckham ] Cactus Tree [Paul Ivice ] benedicte, rachmaninoc, stevie wonder and janis ian ["ingrid lochrenberg"] Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: DJRD ["Richard Flynn" ] Eric Andersen (with Joni Content) ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Cactus Tree [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Edwardsville [Michael Paz ] song: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, 100% Joni content ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 02:24:48 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly I don't know why y'all are doubting yourselves--it's definitely ghost of my old "*ideals*." That's what I hear on repeated listenings and that's what the lyrics sheet has. And tho it's a subtle difference in meaning,"ideals" makes more sense in the context of the song, to me at least. I could go either way with "ghost," tho I too always heard it as "ghosts." The lyric sheet has it singular. Also, I trust the lyric sheet when it has "split-* tongued* spirit" because "he" is in the song credits: "The Split-Tongued Spirit, El Bwyd." Now, does anybody know for certain who "El Bwyd" is? ;-) On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Ha. So did I. In fact, I even read it that way. And when I do sing that > song, > that's the way I sing it. I think I'm going to stick with it too. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > > > Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly > > > > I always heard it as, "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals". > > > > Mark in Sydney > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 03:22:43 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Cactus Tree Cactus Tree - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=228 Still one of my very favorites of Joni's, and I feel offshoots from The Cactus Tree into The Gallery and That Song About The Midway, if not others. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:23:23 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: benedicte, rachmaninoc, stevie wonder and janis ian Hey I went up to Jo'burg and met up with Bene... It was at a crucial time for me (to have been away from cape town) and it seems Bene was sent my a higher dimension. The best of the 3 places we conversed was when it was just the 2 of us sitting on the lawn at my sister's house...otherwise it was in company, and I attended the place where her husband Jim had a gig on. But bene might come to Cape Town over Christmas and so there should be ample time for us. Need to say that Rachmaninov is my favourite male composer, and Stevie Wonder my favourite contemporary, as he has been for me since 1984. It was so meaningful to, year's back, read about Joni's particular appreciation, for them , too. I think that Janis Ian should have received far more attention: her music is superbly lyrical. The songs 'Here comes the night' decays uncharacteristically, into a noisiness - I can only imagine this was due to a producer and their requirement for the soundtrack of 'The Bell Jar'. Sylvia Plath has haunted me always with her dreams of being the Lioness of God, as Janis Ian writes "I want to be, somebody, who can see forever..." It is painful that someone who once dreamt those dreams, should die. This is where I differ with Joni (I think). I think, yes the planet has gone to pieces due to the blind and unthinking, uncaring pursuit of self-interest. ..and disregard for consequences...But my thought is : when was there ever an abscence of the crucial suffering of departing from this life. For me every living creature, a snail, a blade of grass, or a whale or person, has had to endure pain at death and the desperate and unsucsesful strving to avoid death. I know the oeans are so horribly polluted , but I think with Joni's sentiments fiered up in more and more people, science *(not religion, who hasn't helped a single headache) will help us restore things...but those whales being tormented by high underwater noise-levels and pollution....well, in eaons gone by was it ever any less hard to say goodbye to life...was there not equivalent anguish...I see it as such, and I do believe that now that it's so obvious, and science is pointing out to us the consequences of past actions and present inaction...well, as I said, with better intent, and with the power of scientific thought, we could mend things....just that the real pain lies in, still, saying goodbye to a breathlessly wonderful existence. So your life's work is more relevant now than ever, Joni...now that science and sentiment has caught up with you, and the 'age of austeriry' is drivng the point home and helping with reorientation of the populace who will have to bring this about, not the people who deal in exclusivity an entitlement. JI always wondered why Joni seemed to write so little about women, and so much about men...apart from the references to her daughter and The Ladies for The Canyon. Joni, it seems to me that men, not man, but men, not humanity, were indeed made in the image of god, a jealouss god, who wants to procure for himself, and to grow in self-glorification....and to be territorial about things, and use appreciation to grow in pride...I feel love, initially for something else, if it is returned, often begets self-glorification. I think that I hear from Shine that you see something akin to this. I know this is a generalisation, as most things are. Don't be too disillusioned , Joni...I'm sorry, I just can't spell anymore. Love to Joni, and all who really love her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:23:08 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) I bought that dvd last year. It is from a performance in London in september 1970 and contains Joni's performance for a small audience of only seven songs, namely Chelsea morning, Cactus tree, My old man (which she hadn't finished yet), For free, California, Big yellow taxi and Both sides now. Running time about 30 minutes and not really worth the high price, if you ask me, but then again, if you are a collector of Joni's taped performances, you might want it. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gross" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) > Can anyone shed any light on this item? > > http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ > > * Artist: Joni Mitchell > * Format: DVD > * Year: 2009 > * UPC: 8712177054657 > * Item Number: SNS040991 > > * Label: Immortal > * Country: USA > * Genre: Rock > * Production Style: Color > * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, Singer/Songwriter > * Album Type: Video, Live > > > Thank you! > > Brian > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 03:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DJRD Hi Keith, just FYI she did put UFG on her "Hits" CD which came out around '94 I think. I love that tune and was happy to pick it up on disc. Bob PS to those who care...I am up in NC for about 10 days so Retro Covers will happen but late. NP: Conor Oberst, "Sausalito" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:11:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: DJRD I still have the 45 (flip side of "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:32 AM > To: Epley, Keith; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: DJRD > > Prairie Girl for "Urge for Going," which I first heard about 5 years > ago as it > had not come out on an album.> > > Hi Keith, just FYI she did put UFG on her "Hits" CD which came out > around '94 I > think. I love that tune and was happy to pick it up on disc. > > Bob > > PS to those who care...I am up in NC for about 10 days so Retro Covers > will > happen but late. > > NP: Conor Oberst, "Sausalito" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:31:58 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Eric Andersen (with Joni Content) No Depression has a new interview with one of my all-time folk music heroes, Eric Andersen: http://www.nodepression.com/profiles/blogs/eric-andersens-river-of-blue This exchange is particularly interesting: TR: Speaking of accordion players, you played quite a bit with Rick Danko of The Band. EA: I met Rick in L.A. around '67. He invited me to Woodstock. It was autumn. It was this rock and roll suburb. We went to Robbie Robertson's. He took me to the Hudson River on this long bridge. It's like the story of your life. We stopped to take a look at it. I remember I saw a train go by. I went back to L.A. and wrote Blue River. Joni Mitchell heard the song, loved it. She started singing with it. She loved the title. She was working on the Blue album. She wanted me to lend her the title for the album. She liked it better than just Blue. But, I didn't let her have it (laughs). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:32:00 -0400 From: "S. M. Roque" Subject: Astrology and Scorpio Totems I love the imagery painted on the DJRD double album. I was VERY into astrology at the time and I loved how DJRD focused on the less obvious animal totems, eagle and serpent, of JM's own astrological sign, Scorpio. I liked using astrology to explain basic personality traits and/or to give me insight on other signs, and this song does a great job of expressing the battling spiritual aspects of a Scorpio. Some astrologers say the dove is also an animal totem of this sign, Scorpio, and on the album cover (back and front) are doves flying all over. "The eagle and the serpent are at war in me The serpent fighting for blind desire The eagle for clarity What strange prizes these battles bring These hectic joys - these weary blues Puffed up and strutting when I think I win Down and shaken when I think I lose" When I first bought this album, I rarely played the PP side... Sylvia > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:25:19 -0400 > From: David Phillips > Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly > > I LOVE THIS SONG! I've been singing it as I stride for 35 years now. > > Two stories: > > One: > On my pilgimage from Austin to Saskatoon to pay homage at the Mandell > exhibit, I stopped for the night in Waterton Park. Hiking by a cliff, I > got to the line "coils around feathers and talons on scales" and > I'm-not-kidding an eagle carrying a fish rose from beneath me and off. > O-kay. > > Two: > I performed this at a faerie gathering last summer, a capella and > wearing little but boots, chaps, pearls, and a mink pillbox. There had > been a lot of heart-talk at the gathering about sex and death and lust > and responsibility and lovers and vectors and youth and age. I changed > some lyrics (see below) and IT WAS FABULOUS! > > This is one powerful song. mmmmm. > > djp > > > Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > by Joni Mitchell > (adapted, god-forgive-him, by djp) > > > > I'm Don Juan's reckless daughter > > I came out two days on your tail > > Those two bald-headed days in November > > Before the first snowflakes sail > > Out on the vast and subtle plains of mystery > > A split tongue spirit talks > > Noble as a nickel chief > > Striking up a truck stop juke box > > Spirit says: > > "Snakes along the railroad tracks" > > It says, "Eagles in jet trails" > > She says, "Coils around feathers and talons on scales > > Gravel under the belly plates" > > It says, "Wind in the Wings" > > He says, "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust > > Snake kite flying on a string" > > > > I come from open prairie > > Given some wisdom and a lot of jive > > Last night the ghosts of my old ideas > > Reran on channel five > > And it howled so spooky for its eagle soul > > I nearly broke down and cried > > But the split tongue spirit laughed at me > > He says, "Your serpent cannot be denied" > > Our serpents love whisky > > They love the romance of the crime > > But didn't I see a neon sign > > Fester on your hotel blind > > And a country road swoop off the wall > > And haunt the back room of that bar > > And put me at the top of your danger list > > Just for being so much like you are > > > > You're a coward against the altitude > > You're a coward against the flesh > > Coward caught between yes and no > > Reckless this time on the line for yes, yes, yes! > > Reckless brazen in the play > > Of your changing traffic lights > > Coward slinking down the hall > > To another restless night > > As we center behind the eight ball > > As we rock between the sheets > > As we siphon the colored language > > Off the farms and the streets > > Here in Good-Old-God-Save-America > > the home of the brave and the free > > We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards > > Of some duality > > Of restless multiplicity > > (Oh say can you see) > > > > Restless for streets and honky tonks > > Restless for home and routine > > Restless for country safety and her > > Restless for the likes of reckless me > > Restless sweeps like fire and rain > > Over virgin wilderness > > It prowls like hookers and thieves > > Through bolt locked tenements > > Behind my bolt locked door > > The eagle and the serpent are at war in me > > The eagle fighting for blind desire > > The serpent for clarity > > What strange prizes these battles bring > > These hectic joys these weary blues > > Puffed up and strutting when I think I win > > Down and shaken when somehow I think I lose > > There are rivets up here in this eagle > > There are box cars down there on your snake > > And we are twins of spirit > > No matter which route home we take > > Or what we forsake > > We will rise to the eyes of clarity > > As we'll descend to the beads of guile > > There is danger > > In living out such a reckless life style > > I touched you on the central plains > > It was plane to train my twin > > It was just plane shadow to train shadow > > But it felt like skin to skin > > The spirit talks in spectrums > > It talks to mother earth to father sky > > Self indulgence to self denial > Death to life and back again > > Man to woman > > Scales to feathers > > You and I > > Eagles in the sky > > You and I > > Snakes in the grass > > You and I > > Crawl and fly > > You and I > Ssssssssssssssssss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:56:17 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Cactus Tree I watched almost all of the videos posted on this concert after Les sent out the link yesterday. Wow, this performance really proves the kudos Joni received after Blue about her raw emotion and virtuosity. It almost seems like she is in this trance although being totally in control. It's hard for me to describe the vibe she gives off, like she's in another dimension. All of the performances were really powerful, even when the songs were lighter like BYT or Free Man in Paris. Really amazing. Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ivice Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:23 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Cactus Tree Cactus Tree - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=228 Still one of my very favorites of Joni's, and I feel offshoots from The Cactus Tree into The Gallery and That Song About The Midway, if not others. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:57:13 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Isn't this the "pink dress" concert? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marion Leffler Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:23 AM To: Brian Gross; Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) I bought that dvd last year. It is from a performance in London in september 1970 and contains Joni's performance for a small audience of only seven songs, namely Chelsea morning, Cactus tree, My old man (which she hadn't finished yet), For free, California, Big yellow taxi and Both sides now. Running time about 30 minutes and not really worth the high price, if you ask me, but then again, if you are a collector of Joni's taped performances, you might want it. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gross" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) > Can anyone shed any light on this item? > > http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ > > * Artist: Joni Mitchell > * Format: DVD > * Year: 2009 > * UPC: 8712177054657 > * Item Number: SNS040991 > > * Label: Immortal > * Country: USA > * Genre: Rock > * Production Style: Color > * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, Singer/Songwriter > * Album Type: Video, Live > > > Thank you! > > Brian > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:39:39 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Last night the ghost... 'ideals' it is, on the album lyrics... 'ideas' makes little sense with what comes after (must just have been a typo) - - 'And it howled so spooky for its eagle soul, I nearly broke down and cried' - powerful powerful stuff! Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:11:31 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Yes, I think so. She wore a pink dress, anyway. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Tierney McNamara" To: "Marion Leffler" ; "Brian Gross" ; Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: RE: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Isn't this the "pink dress" concert? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marion Leffler Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:23 AM To: Brian Gross; Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) I bought that dvd last year. It is from a performance in London in september 1970 and contains Joni's performance for a small audience of only seven songs, namely Chelsea morning, Cactus tree, My old man (which she hadn't finished yet), For free, California, Big yellow taxi and Both sides now. Running time about 30 minutes and not really worth the high price, if you ask me, but then again, if you are a collector of Joni's taped performances, you might want it. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gross" To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) > Can anyone shed any light on this item? > > http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ > > * Artist: Joni Mitchell > * Format: DVD > * Year: 2009 > * UPC: 8712177054657 > * Item Number: SNS040991 > > * Label: Immortal > * Country: USA > * Genre: Rock > * Production Style: Color > * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, Singer/Songwriter > * Album Type: Video, Live > > > Thank you! > > Brian > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:24:58 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Edwardsville Is Joni doing circular breathing during Marcie? Holy Moley ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:07 PM To: 'Mark-Leon Thorne' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Edwardsville The show was broadcast on what was then known as "educational TV" pre-PBS. I watched it on TV in 1969 when I was 14 and already a huge Joni fan. I have no idea whether video survives--I'm hoping it surfaces someday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:25:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Edwardsville NIce stuff. I have been enjoying it this morning. Marcie is one of my faves and one of the first songs I ever heard by her. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 15, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: Is Joni doing circular breathing during Marcie? Holy Moley ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:07 PM To: 'Mark-Leon Thorne' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Edwardsville The show was broadcast on what was then known as "educational TV" pre-PBS. I watched it on TV in 1969 when I was 14 and already a huge Joni fan. I have no idea whether video survives--I'm hoping it surfaces someday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:16:47 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: song: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, 100% Joni content >>Oh say can you see>> is a quote from "The Star Spangled Banner", the national anthem in USA. Hear it here: http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/spangle.htm Joni also said, >the home of the brave and the free> is nearly a quote from the same song. Francis Scott Key said >>O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?>> Joni changed it slightly and therefore made a nice rhyme for"duality" and "multiplicity". Jim L'Hommedieu Lama ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #287 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe