From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 15 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hard to argue [Paul Ivice ] RE: Eagles in the sky [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [Catherine McKay ] Re: Edwardsville [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [Anita G ] Re: Edwardsville [Anita G ] RE: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Ray LaMontagne [Michael Paz ] Video addition in the Library: Cactus Tree [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [David Phillips ] DJRD ["Epley, Keith" ] Re: Ray LaMontagne [Catherine McKay ] Edwardsville ["Richard Flynn" ] JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) [Brian Gross ] Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly [David Phillips ] DJRD [Russell Bowden ] Re: Edwardsville [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Edwardsville [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Edwardsville ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 03:09:51 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: Hard to argue From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly The song or the album? She wrote the song alongside Coyote and performed them as a medley on her '76 tour. I'd find it hard to argue the DJRD ALBUM against Hejira, HOSL, C&S or Blue. Blue is certainly different lyrically in that it's less cryptic and more direct but brilliantly raw. The trinity of HOSL/Hejira/DJRD is so rich with imagery and philosophy. C&S may be more straightforward and commercial, but "Down To You" is just so amazingly brilliant lyrically (not to mention the compositional quality). I would not find it hard to argue Joni's words of this period over anyone else's. I'd probably take John Lennon's work over a similar period, but that still puts Joni in elite company. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:54:44 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: RE: Eagles in the sky William, I agree, there's no end to the wonder of this song! But I love the idea that it may all simply have started by Joni being on a plane, looking out and seeing the shadow of her plane cross over a train down below (perhaps the very train her friend/boyfriend was in). Her mind grabs that image, and flies with it. And the addition in the studio recording of 'Oh say can you see' and 'By the dawn's early light' is pure genius! Michel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:50:15 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly I always heard it as, "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals". Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:08:09 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Edwardsville I have ripped Les' copy of Joni Live at Edwardsville 1967 to mp3 and dropped it in the Dropbox if anyone's interested. It's an interesting concert. There are some interesting background stories to some of Joni's songs in this concert. She performs Marcie and Nathan La Franeer as two chapters of the same story. A story of two characters in New York City. Another song duo is what Joni calls, "two houses" are two songs that I never associated together before: Rainy Night House and Blue Boy. This is probably old news to most of you but, one insight that I found fascinating is Joni's explanation of, I Think I understand being influenced by the trilogy, The Lord of The Rings. I knew she was taken by the story by her naming her publishing company after the character of Gandalf but, I never realised how the lyrics mirrored events in the story. On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down Canada to her American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly hypocritical since Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her home country. In this show, Joni again claims that there is no politics in Canada aside from choosing a flag and swipes at Pierre Trudeau. Apart from that, the Edwardsville concert is rather enlightening. I would just like to remind people that you always copy things from Dropbox, not drag them out. Dragging them out removes them and other people won't get access to them. Enjoy. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly Ha. So did I. In fact, I even read it that way. And when I do sing that song, that's the way I sing it. I think I'm going to stick with it too. This is one song whose lyrics I doubt I'd ever be able to memorize. It is so lyrically dense and full of amazing words and images that I couldn't even begin to discuss it with any coherence. I'd open my mouth to talk about it and all that would come out would be one big, "Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah." And I mean that in a good way. I just feel like a slack-jawed yokel in the face of that. I wish there was a way of just dumping images and impressions into another person's brain. Or maybe I'm just lazy. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > To: sem8@cornell.edu > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 8:50:15 AM > Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly > > I always heard it as, "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals". > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Edwardsville That was a prevalent Canadian attitude at the time, as I recall. That everything we did was somehow second-rate, archaic, old-fashioned, stuck in the past. We were just one of the colonies back then. Things have changed. Canadians are much more patriotic (and often much more obnoxious) than we were 40 years ago. We still don't have the money that the US has to put into the arts and most artists of any kind who stay here probably won't make the enormous sums of money they would if they went to the US, which is weird because, in the internet age, you'd think that where you live wouldn't matter and yet, people still flock to Hollywood. Also, back then, the majority of people in English-speaking Canada were not just white but WASP, and loyal to the Queen and so on. These days, we're much more diverse and, to most people, Queen and Empire aren't even remotely relevant. Joni probably grew up in the days when women and girls wore hats and glove to church every Sunday and had roast beef for Sunday dinner. Everything was prim and proper. I remember those days but not with any particular fondness. I don't even know if things were all that different in the US back then, if you took the Queen out of the equation but, to a small-town girl from the Prairies, it must have been very exotic and exciting. Strangely enough though, Joni's taking swipes at Canada seems to me to be a reflection of the very things she railed against - which is typically Canadian! - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 9:08:09 AM > Subject: Edwardsville > > On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down Canada to her >American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly hypocritical since >Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her home country. In this show, >Joni again claims that there is no politics in Canada aside from choosing a flag >and swipes at Pierre Trudeau. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:42:54 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Edwardsville Catherine, as an Australian, I certainly can relate to that self- deprecating antipodean type of comment. The attitude that, as a colony, we will always play second fiddle to the mother country. There is excitement in the big flashy republic next door where there's money to be made and fame is a vocation. It's such a shame that we thought so little of ourselves. Of course there was politics going on. These former colonies were nations in the making. I understand now because there was a similar thing going on here too. We were second rate because we were isolated on the other side of the world and you were overshadowed by the brash republic across the border. Nothing that happened in the colonies could ever be considered important. You may have a new Prime Minister but you are still just a colony. Choosing a new flag is just something to keep the colonists occupied. We sip tea and eat crumpet so that we resemble the motherland but we know in our hearts that it's futile exercise. The idea that we could ever be our own nation was almost sacrilege, an insult to the motherland. I understand now where those comments were coming from but, still...it saddens me. We are quite patriotic down this way now too but sign of advancement? It is a sense of dignity that reveals true independence. Those old insecurities disgusted Joni but, her attitude didn't help Canada or give her any more dignity. It just comes across as sucking up to the American audience and the great republic. Mark in the antipodes On 15/10/2010, at 1:18 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > That was a prevalent Canadian attitude at the time, as I recall. That > everything we did was somehow second-rate, archaic, old-fashioned, > stuck in the > past. We were just one of the colonies back then. > > > Things have changed. Canadians are much more patriotic (and often > much more > obnoxious) than we were 40 years ago. We still don't have the money > that the US > has to put into the arts and most artists of any kind who stay here > probably > won't make the enormous sums of money they would if they went to the > US, which > is weird because, in the internet age, you'd think that where you > live wouldn't > matter and yet, people still flock to Hollywood. > > Also, back then, the majority of people in English-speaking Canada > were not just > white but WASP, and loyal to the Queen and so on. These days, we're > much more > diverse and, to most people, Queen and Empire aren't even remotely > relevant. > Joni probably grew up in the days when women and girls wore hats and > glove to > church every Sunday and had roast beef for Sunday dinner. > Everything was prim > and proper. I remember those days but not with any particular > fondness. > > I don't even know if things were all that different in the US back > then, if you > took the Queen out of the equation but, to a small-town girl from > the Prairies, > it must have been very exotic and exciting. Strangely enough > though, Joni's > taking swipes at Canada seems to me to be a reflection of the very > things she > railed against - which is typically Canadian! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Mark-Leon Thorne >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 9:08:09 AM >> Subject: Edwardsville >> > >> On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down >> Canada to her >> American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly >> hypocritical since >> Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her home country. In >> this show, >> Joni again claims that there is no politics in Canada aside from >> choosing a flag >> and swipes at Pierre Trudeau. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:44:48 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly Goodness gracious, when you read the DJRD lyric like that it just does your head in. It send me running to listen to 'Shine'. Anita (clearly craving simplicity today :~)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:02:31 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Edwardsville Ouch, ouch and ouch. Sitting here in the Mother Country and reading your emails, dear Cat and Mark, it's hard to realise the impact of colonialism. The discomfort I feel reminds me of consciousness raising groups in my early feminist days when black women would share their experiences of oppression. But when folk (whoever they are and where ever they are) feel oppressed in some way, there should be discomfort somewhere else. It's just me feeling it today and knowing I alone can never put all these things right. However, I will continue to try in my own life to hold anti-discriminatory and anti-oppressive practice close to my heart and challenge others when they don't, Lots of love Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:16:50 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly I don't think I've ever played this song, and I think it's because I find the melody boring. It's more Dylanesque in that it's really all about the lyrics. Now that I've said that, I think I need to play it. :-) Sue - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:45 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mark-Leon Thorne; Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly Goodness gracious, when you read the DJRD lyric like that it just does your head in. It send me running to listen to 'Shine'. Anita (clearly craving simplicity today :~)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:29:54 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Ray LaMontagne I don't know about y'all, but I am sure loving him. His Like Rock & Roll And Radio reminds me so much of Joni in her prime. Have tickets to see him open for the Levon Helm and his band. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:37:38 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ray LaMontagne I have heard a few things I like but I haven't signed on the bandwagon as yet. Have fun at the show. Levon was living here for a minute and opened a club near House of Blues that I installed a sound system for. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Gerald Notaro wrote: I don't know about y'all, but I am sure loving him. His Like Rock & Roll And Radio reminds me so much of Joni in her prime. Have tickets to see him open for the Levon Helm and his band. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:20:53 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: Video addition in the Library: Cactus Tree Another video has been added to the Library at JoniMitchell.com: Cactus Tree - New Victoria Theatre, London 1974 View it here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=228 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:25:19 -0400 From: David Phillips Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly I LOVE THIS SONG! I've been singing it as I stride for 35 years now. Two stories: One: On my pilgimage from Austin to Saskatoon to pay homage at the Mandell exhibit, I stopped for the night in Waterton Park. Hiking by a cliff, I got to the line "coils around feathers and talons on scales" and I'm-not-kidding an eagle carrying a fish rose from beneath me and off. O-kay. Two: I performed this at a faerie gathering last summer, a capella and wearing little but boots, chaps, pearls, and a mink pillbox. There had been a lot of heart-talk at the gathering about sex and death and lust and responsibility and lovers and vectors and youth and age. I changed some lyrics (see below) and IT WAS FABULOUS! This is one powerful song. mmmmm. djp Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > by Joni Mitchell (adapted, god-forgive-him, by djp) > > I'm Don Juan's reckless daughter > I came out two days on your tail > Those two bald-headed days in November > Before the first snowflakes sail > Out on the vast and subtle plains of mystery > A split tongue spirit talks > Noble as a nickel chief > Striking up a truck stop juke box > Spirit says: > "Snakes along the railroad tracks" > It says, "Eagles in jet trails" > She says, "Coils around feathers and talons on scales > Gravel under the belly plates" > It says, "Wind in the Wings" > He says, "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust > Snake kite flying on a string" > > I come from open prairie > Given some wisdom and a lot of jive > Last night the ghosts of my old ideas > Reran on channel five > And it howled so spooky for its eagle soul > I nearly broke down and cried > But the split tongue spirit laughed at me > He says, "Your serpent cannot be denied" > Our serpents love whisky > They love the romance of the crime > But didn't I see a neon sign > Fester on your hotel blind > And a country road swoop off the wall > And haunt the back room of that bar > And put me at the top of your danger list > Just for being so much like you are > > You're a coward against the altitude > You're a coward against the flesh > Coward caught between yes and no > Reckless this time on the line for yes, yes, yes! > Reckless brazen in the play > Of your changing traffic lights > Coward slinking down the hall > To another restless night > As we center behind the eight ball > As we rock between the sheets > As we siphon the colored language > Off the farms and the streets > Here in Good-Old-God-Save-America > the home of the brave and the free > We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards > Of some duality > Of restless multiplicity > (Oh say can you see) > > Restless for streets and honky tonks > Restless for home and routine > Restless for country safety and her > Restless for the likes of reckless me > Restless sweeps like fire and rain > Over virgin wilderness > It prowls like hookers and thieves > Through bolt locked tenements > Behind my bolt locked door > The eagle and the serpent are at war in me > The eagle fighting for blind desire > The serpent for clarity > What strange prizes these battles bring > These hectic joys these weary blues > Puffed up and strutting when I think I win > Down and shaken when somehow I think I lose > There are rivets up here in this eagle > There are box cars down there on your snake > And we are twins of spirit > No matter which route home we take > Or what we forsake > We will rise to the eyes of clarity > As we'll descend to the beads of guile > There is danger > In living out such a reckless life style > I touched you on the central plains > It was plane to train my twin > It was just plane shadow to train shadow > But it felt like skin to skin > The spirit talks in spectrums > It talks to mother earth to father sky > Self indulgence to self denial Death to life and back again > Man to woman > Scales to feathers > You and I > Eagles in the sky > You and I > Snakes in the grass > You and I > Crawl and fly > You and I Ssssssssssssssssss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:51:34 -0500 From: "Epley, Keith" Subject: DJRD I have long said the lyrics to DJRD leave all other non-Joni lyrics in the dust. The way she extends metaphor throughout the rapid paced song never ceases to amaze me. Though my favorite Joni song is Hejira, DJRD is the song that won me over to the Joni camp when I heard it on FM radio. A friend and I were about 18-ish, gay in a small rural town and became "eagles in the sky" when listening, earthbound, and drinking "J&B and Coke." I recently ordered Prairie Girl for "Urge for Going," which I first heard about 5 years ago as it had not come out on an album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ray LaMontagne Yep, Jerry, I love him too. I know the song you're talking about and it is very Joni-like and it seems to me that he claims Joni as one of his influences. - ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gerald Notaro > To: Joni List > Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 12:29:54 PM > Subject: Ray LaMontagne > > I don't know about y'all, but I am sure loving him. His Like Rock & Roll And > Radio reminds me so much of Joni in her prime. Have tickets to see him open > for the Levon Helm and his band. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:17:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Edwardsville This is also the show where she sings, "I've got a black limousine and two white men /Escorting me to the halls." If anyone wants me to upload a lossless copy of this to the dropbox, complete with a text file in which Simon details his research on the show, I'd be happy to put it in the dropbox as well. The true Holy Grail would be for someone to find the video of the show! Who knows? It could happen someday. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Mark-Leon Thorne > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:08 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Edwardsville > > I have ripped Les' copy of Joni Live at Edwardsville 1967 to mp3 and > dropped it in the Dropbox if anyone's interested. It's an interesting > concert. There are some interesting background stories to some of > Joni's songs in this concert. She performs Marcie and Nathan La > Franeer as two chapters of the same story. A story of two characters > in New York City. Another song duo is what Joni calls, "two houses" > are two songs that I never associated together before: Rainy Night > House and Blue Boy. > > This is probably old news to most of you but, one insight that I found > fascinating is Joni's explanation of, I Think I understand being > influenced by the trilogy, The Lord of The Rings. I knew she was taken > by the story by her naming her publishing company after the character > of Gandalf but, I never realised how the lyrics mirrored events in the > story. > > On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down Canada > to her American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly > hypocritical since Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her > home country. In this show, Joni again claims that there is no > politics in Canada aside from choosing a flag and swipes at Pierre > Trudeau. > > Apart from that, the Edwardsville concert is rather enlightening. > > I would just like to remind people that you always copy things from > Dropbox, not drag them out. Dragging them out removes them and other > people won't get access to them. > > Enjoy. > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Can anyone shed any light on this item? http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ * Artist: Joni Mitchell * Format: DVD * Year: 2009 * UPC: 8712177054657 * Item Number: SNS040991 * Label: Immortal * Country: USA * Genre: Rock * Production Style: Color * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, Singer/Songwriter * Album Type: Video, Live Thank you! Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:14:11 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Am 14.10.2010 21:01, Wie Brian Gross so vortrefflich formulierte: > Can anyone shed any light on this item? > > http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ > > * Artist: Joni Mitchell > * Format: DVD > * Year: 2009 > * UPC: 8712177054657 > * Item Number: SNS040991 > > * Label: Immortal > * Country: USA > * Genre: Rock > * Production Style: Color > * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, Singer/Songwriter > * Album Type: Video, Live http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=45 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) Thank you, Moni I'm always running behind the times! ;-) Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- - --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Moni Kellermann wrote: > From: Moni Kellermann > Subject: Re: JM - An Intimate Performance (2009 DVD) > To: "Brian Gross" > Cc: Joni@smoe.org > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 3:14 PM > Am 14.10.2010 21:01, Wie Brian Gross > so vortrefflich formulierte: > > Can anyone shed any light on this item? > > > > http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/productID/D1B56A6C-0791-4260-BE6D-5045A488A5BB/ > > > > * Artist: Joni Mitchell > > * Format: DVD > > * Year: 2009 > > * UPC: 8712177054657 > > * Item Number: SNS040991 > > > > * Label: Immortal > > * Country: USA > > * Genre: Rock > > * Production Style: Color > > * Style: Album Rock, Folk-Jazz, > Singer/Songwriter > > * Album Type: Video, Live > > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=45 > > > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:35:43 -0400 From: David Phillips Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly me too. Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I always heard it as, "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals". > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:47:28 -0400 From: David Phillips Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky crawl and fly The melody can be dron-y, but the rhythm of the lyrics ("home of the brave and the free") and the instrumentation just carries it home again and again. And it swoops and crawls and growls. And, I'm no musician, so I don't know how to say it, but whatever the guitar is doing under "restless sweeps like fire and rain" just takes me. mmmmmm djp Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I don't think I've ever played this song, and I think it's because I > find the melody boring. It's more Dylanesque in that it's really all > about the lyrics. Now that I've said that, I think I need to play > it. :-) Sue > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Thursday, > October 14, 2010 10:45 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mark-Leon Thorne; > Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Eagles in the sky > crawl and fly > > Goodness gracious, when you read the DJRD lyric like that it just > does your head in. It send me running to listen to 'Shine'. Anita > (clearly craving simplicity today :~)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:28:06 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: DJRD Gang, I should just have this auto-posted 3 or 4 times a year. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is my very favorite Joni album. From the first hearing EVERY song just blew me away and continues to do so. The title song is about as perfect as one can get. Love from Alameda, CA Russ Sotto voce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:16:19 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Edwardsville Hi Richard. I noticed that you only sent this message to me but I think you meant to send it to the whole list so, I am replying to the list now. I didn't know there was video footage of this concert. Is that why it was in VIDEO_TS format? I wondered why there was a DVD with only audio. Yes, that would be the "Holy Grail" to coin a Christian phrase. Mark in Sydney On 15/10/2010, at 4:25 AM, Richard Flynn wrote: > This is also the show where she sings, "I've got a black limousine > and two > white men /Escorting me to the halls." > > If anyone wants me to upload a lossless copy of this to the dropbox, > complete with a text file in which Simon details his research on the > show, > I'd be happy to put it in the dropbox as well. > > The true Holy Grail would be for someone to find the video of the > show! Who > knows? It could happen someday. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >> Mark-Leon Thorne >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:08 AM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Edwardsville >> >> I have ripped Les' copy of Joni Live at Edwardsville 1967 to mp3 and >> dropped it in the Dropbox if anyone's interested. It's an interesting >> concert. There are some interesting background stories to some of >> Joni's songs in this concert. She performs Marcie and Nathan La >> Franeer as two chapters of the same story. A story of two characters >> in New York City. Another song duo is what Joni calls, "two houses" >> are two songs that I never associated together before: Rainy Night >> House and Blue Boy. >> >> This is probably old news to most of you but, one insight that I >> found >> fascinating is Joni's explanation of, I Think I understand being >> influenced by the trilogy, The Lord of The Rings. I knew she was >> taken >> by the story by her naming her publishing company after the character >> of Gandalf but, I never realised how the lyrics mirrored events in >> the >> story. >> >> On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down Canada >> to her American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly >> hypocritical since Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her >> home country. In this show, Joni again claims that there is no >> politics in Canada aside from choosing a flag and swipes at Pierre >> Trudeau. >> >> Apart from that, the Edwardsville concert is rather enlightening. >> >> I would just like to remind people that you always copy things from >> Dropbox, not drag them out. Dragging them out removes them and other >> people won't get access to them. >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:50:31 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Edwardsville For those of you who are unable to use Dropbox, here is a Yousendit link http://www.yousendit.com/download/ZGJmRFFUb0JwM214dnc9PQ Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:07:07 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Edwardsville The show was broadcast on what was then known as "educational TV" pre-PBS. I watched it on TV in 1969 when I was 14 and already a huge Joni fan. I have no idea whether video survives--I'm hoping it surfaces someday. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark-Leon Thorne [mailto:mark-leon@iinet.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:16 PM > To: Richard Flynn > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Edwardsville > > Hi Richard. > > I noticed that you only sent this message to me but I think you meant > to send it to the whole list so, I am replying to the list now. > > I didn't know there was video footage of this concert. Is that why it > was in VIDEO_TS format? I wondered why there was a DVD with only > audio. Yes, that would be the "Holy Grail" to coin a Christian phrase. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 15/10/2010, at 4:25 AM, Richard Flynn wrote: > > > This is also the show where she sings, "I've got a black limousine > > and two > > white men /Escorting me to the halls." > > > > If anyone wants me to upload a lossless copy of this to the dropbox, > > complete with a text file in which Simon details his research on the > > show, > > I'd be happy to put it in the dropbox as well. > > > > The true Holy Grail would be for someone to find the video of the > > show! Who > > knows? It could happen someday. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > >> Mark-Leon Thorne > >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:08 AM > >> To: joni@smoe.org > >> Subject: Edwardsville > >> > >> I have ripped Les' copy of Joni Live at Edwardsville 1967 to mp3 and > >> dropped it in the Dropbox if anyone's interested. It's an > interesting > >> concert. There are some interesting background stories to some of > >> Joni's songs in this concert. She performs Marcie and Nathan La > >> Franeer as two chapters of the same story. A story of two characters > >> in New York City. Another song duo is what Joni calls, "two houses" > >> are two songs that I never associated together before: Rainy Night > >> House and Blue Boy. > >> > >> This is probably old news to most of you but, one insight that I > >> found > >> fascinating is Joni's explanation of, I Think I understand being > >> influenced by the trilogy, The Lord of The Rings. I knew she was > >> taken > >> by the story by her naming her publishing company after the > character > >> of Gandalf but, I never realised how the lyrics mirrored events in > >> the > >> story. > >> > >> On the downside, I am always quite shocked when Joni puts down > Canada > >> to her American audiences. It seems like betrayal to me and slightly > >> hypocritical since Canada gave Joni her start in music and it is her > >> home country. In this show, Joni again claims that there is no > >> politics in Canada aside from choosing a flag and swipes at Pierre > >> Trudeau. > >> > >> Apart from that, the Edwardsville concert is rather enlightening. > >> > >> I would just like to remind people that you always copy things from > >> Dropbox, not drag them out. Dragging them out removes them and other > >> people won't get access to them. > >> > >> Enjoy. > >> > >> Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #286 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe