From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #261 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 19 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 261 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- AUTO: Donald R. Barthel/111527/EKC is out of the office. (returning 09/24/2010) [donald.barthel@k] Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Paul Ivice ] Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London [Gmail ] Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni [Mags ] Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? [Laura Stanley ] Songs to aging children! ["Epley, Keith" ] Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? [Anita G Subject: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Anita PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not "Clan-des-TINE." Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:43:41 +0100 From: Gmail Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London I can't wait!!! Sent from my iPhone On 17 Sep 2010, at 23:41, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Dear all, > as has already been mentioned by others in previous posts, Dave > Blackburn and > Robin Adler are coming to play at my local jazz bar in > Greenwich, London SE10, > on Saturday 2 October. Everybody knows, from their > performance at the 2008 UK > Jonifest, the 2009 Idylwild Jonifest and last > week's gig at Anita's Conker > Cabin, what marvellous musicians they are, and > what a jewel their CD of Joni > covers Safari's To The Heart is. > > If anybody > needs a reminder, you can listen here to samples of their > CD: http://robinadler.com/ > > Just a bit more about the venue, Oliver's. > Address: 9 Nevada St, London SE10 9JL > Telephone 020 8858 5855 > > If you google > Oliver's bar, you will find lots of glowing reviews, like this > random one: > "Hidden away in Greenwich is this wonderful music venue / bar. Dark and > cavernous, the place oozes understated style, and just by stepping in the door > you can feel your cool-rating rise by a couple of notches. Saying that, it's > by > no means a pretentious venue, and would be a great place for a date, or to > go to > with a close bunch of friends to relax over a bottle of wine and great > live > music." > > > Or this one: "Oliver's Jazz Bar on Nevada Street is a little > treasure. My > favourite place in London. And the best part? There's an awful > lot of people who > don't even know where it is. But that's a good thing, > because it's one of the > best kept secrets in Greenwich. > (....) OK, then > over the road from Greenwich Theatre, behind the Spread Eagle, > there's a > little bench (do pop into the Nevada Street Deli next time you pass), > see > that little alleyway? And the black door? Push it. Just a little. Follow > those stairs down into the wonderful little bar that is Olivers. Dark, cosy, > all > painted red and black, tinkling on the piano. Everything a smoky jazz bar > should > be. Except it's not smoky anymore." > > You may find the bar's own > website, > http://www.liveblues.info/oliversmusicbar/home/ but it is already > out of date > because Olivier, the French owner, is decidedly not into > computers! > > So anybody thinking of turning up, feel free to contact me and I > can give you > more details on how to get there by public transport, or where > to safely park > your car nearby. The gig only starts at 9.30, but you could > get together with > Dave and Robin (and me) over a drink or a bite to eat > beforehand. I will be > inviting several local friends and acquaintances too, > of course, and the club > also has its regular faithful clientele, so it could > get pretty packed. (I hope > I'm not tempting fate by saying this!) > Hoping > to see you in 2 weeks' time! > Lieve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:42:08 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? The rhyme I hate the most: Boring The old man is snoring from the song Taming The Tiger, and pretty much the whole song make me want to cover my ears and run screaming out of the room. I love the lyrics of Underneath The Streetlight, though. I never really paid much attention to them until I started trying to learn the song on the guitar. This song is positively dense with modern imagery: streetlight buildings yellow and T.V. blue windows neon light garbage cans blinkin' planes truck tunnel toll disco sparkle dark [I love this one!] be-bop boys rock 'n roll broadcast Marian Austria ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:06:18 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Considering that the song is about a cat: When I lost my cat I understood the "big boo-hoo" perfectly. That sorrow is pure and simple, a big boo-hoo indeed. Marion in Sweden - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > On 9/17/2010 12:47 PM, Anita G wrote: > Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry > and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? > > Yes: > > I can't get through the day > Without at least one big boo-hoo > The pain won't go away > What am I gonna do? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:22:49 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian" To: "'Joni List'" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > I love the lyrics of Underneath The Streetlight, though. I never really > paid > much attention to them until I started trying to learn the song on the > guitar. > This song is positively dense with modern imagery: > > streetlight > buildings > yellow and T.V. blue windows > neon light > garbage cans > blinkin' planes > truck > tunnel toll > disco sparkle dark [I love this one!] > be-bop boys > rock 'n roll broadcast > > > Marian > Austria Maybe so but what about "gay boys in their pants so tight underneath the neon light". That is such a clichi, not worthy of Joni at all. Imo, that is. Marion Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:05:55 -0400 From: "S. M. Roque" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #260 Les, I too would buy the two songbooks from two of my favorite albums! Sylvia smroque@hotmail.com http://www.facebook.com/smroque > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:08:24 -0600 > From: Les Irvin > Subject: Hejira songbook... anyone? > > > Joniphiles - > > A music collector contacted me yesterday informing me of some goods he > recently acquired. Boxes of books from the publisher sitting in a > warehouse unopened (as of a few days ago). Among these boxes were the > Hissing of Summer Lawns songbook and the Hejira songbook! Untouched and > unopened for the last 34 years. > > A quick check of eBay reveals that he has put both these items there. > He has them priced at a starting bid of $3.98 (+$2.98 shipping), but it > appears to be a 4-6 day auction with no "buy it now" option. So, we > would all be competing with each other there and driving up the price if > we wanted one. > > On the other hand... he has offered to sell them to me, but I have to > buy a full box of 50 each to get a good price. So my question is - any > interest out there?? To make it simple, I thought I'd offer one deal to > you all - both books, shipping included (to the US) for $10. > > Here are the items in question: > http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=47 > http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=21 > > Please let me know if you might be interested asap so I know if there is > enough interest to make the deal. > > Thanks, > Les > > PS These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to > Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on > the downlow with those Facebook types. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni In Canada, we pronounce clandestine, (rhymes with wine beautifully. ). - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Paul Ivice wrote: From: Paul Ivice Subject: Rhymin' Simon ... er, Joni To: joni@smoe.org Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 3:32 AM I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Anita PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... Rhine wine and clandestine in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. The word is pronounced "Clan-DES-tin," ith a silent "e," not "Clan-des-TINE." Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? I don't know if "not liked" is a good description, but this alliteration came to my mind. It tickles me when I hear it or even think about it... writing about it now it's playing in my mind, and I'm laaaaughing!!! Ray's Dad's Cadillac Ray's dad teaches math ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:41:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London Jamie, what wonderful news that you will be there! Lieve ________________________________ From: Gmail To: Lieve Reckers Cc: jonilist JMDL ; Dave Blackburn Sent: Sat, 18 September, 2010 8:43:41 Subject: Re: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London I can't wait!!! Sent from my iPhone On 17 Sep 2010, at 23:41, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Dear all, > as has already been mentioned by others in previous posts, Dave > Blackburn and > Robin Adler are coming to play at my local jazz bar in > Greenwich, London SE10, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Weird coincidences So I'm at the Roswell Arts Festival today, fixin' to play at 1pm, and I noticed one of the artist's booths right next to the stage is the artist from Asheville who laid me off after just a month, which prompted me to fly to New York City for Bobfest, where I wrote Heavenly Eyes in Kay's apartment, a trip which in turn inspired the song Boomerang Love, and led to the recording of Parsonage Lane. We haven't spoken since that day in April 2002...I think I'll wait till after I play to go by there as it feels a little weird but it was 8 years ago so maybe it will actually be cool to reconnect. I actually got this slot at the last moment. Right when I emailed the promoter, a slot had magically opened up. Victor Sent from Comcast mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:58:03 -0500 From: "Epley, Keith" Subject: Songs to aging children! Greetings all you acolytes of the lyrical genius that is Joni Mitchell! Just reading the posts, the recognition of all the references to songs that have meant so much to me for about 35 years now! And longer! My favorite album of all time is Hejira, but I find myself at mid-50 languishing in those songs from Joni's first album: Marcy, The Dawntreader, Pirates of Penance (my dearest friend for so many years loved this last one-its drama). "Time goes, where does the time go." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:43:09 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof Like a dragonfly on a tomb" One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: "One day I'm going to die here, too And they'll plant me in the dirt Like some lame bulb That never blooms come any spring" The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? This one could go on and on, of course. (and it should) Trying to think of the ones that made me do a double-take the first time I heard them... "there's a man and a woman sitting on a rock, they're either going to thaw out or freeze" " you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear" "pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps" "I bore her but I could not raise her" And so on, and so forth...thanks Joni for your brilliant work which has led me to the best friendships and times I've known. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Sam Wong Hotel" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Anita G To: jonipeople LIST Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 5:43:09 PM Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof Like a dragonfly on a tomb" One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: "One day I'm going to die here, too And they'll plant me in the dirt Like some lame bulb That never blooms come any spring" The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? holy syncronicity..I was just coming on here to make the same said request!!! bring them on... now listening to: shades of scarlett conquering, a place where a woman must have everything...you're damned right ;--P - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Anita G wrote: From: Anita G Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? To: "jonipeople LIST" Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 5:43 PM We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof Like a dragonfly on a tomb" One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: "One day I'm going to die here, too And they'll plant me in the dirt Like some lame bulb That never blooms come any spring" The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? it's the feelings that run side the lyrics, that's the stuff that kills me every time, every single time I hear her songs, almost always like listening to them for the first time, which I suppose could be argued to be true..because of whatever life has hurled your way....you've got that stuff under your belt and then some and then you go back to that place, that lyric and it has all sorts of new meaning to it. That's one of the many things I love about Joni's songs. Her descriptors are spot on, and I love them, ever so. there's comfort in melancholy with no need to explain don't you get sensitive on me between the forceps and the stone there'll be icycles and birthday clothes and sometimes, there'll be sorrow. his left hand holds his right love came to my door with a mad man's soul, and a sleeping roll, i thought for sure i'd seen him, dancing up a river in the dark, looking for a woman to court and spark. branded as a jezebel....i'd be cast in shame, into the magdalene laundries..(i love this song, and the way Joni sort of does that howl thing...just rips me in two every time..). especially poignant is this line: they just stuffed her in a hole. whew, okay nuff said...lots and lots more...just some of what i've been listening to on some old/but new speakers. Mags - --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Bob Muller wrote: From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? To: "Anita G" , "jonipeople LIST" Received: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 7:47 PM This one could go on and on, of course. (and it should) Trying to think of the ones that made me do a double-take the first time I heard them... "there's a man and a woman sitting on a rock, they're either going to thaw out or freeze" " you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear" "pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps" "I bore her but I could not raise her" And so on, and so forth...thanks Joni for your brilliant work which has led me to the best friendships and times I've known. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Sam Wong Hotel" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Anita G To: jonipeople LIST Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 5:43:09 PM Subject: Joni worst rhymes - how about best lines? We've had the worst rhymes, now what the very best images/lines? Dave Blackburn here at Conker Cabin last week-end drew attention to this (after he and Robin had done a fabulous rendition of 'Harry's House': "A helicopter lands on the Pan-Am roof Like a dragonfly on a tomb" One of my personal favourites is from The Magdalene Laundries: "One day I'm going to die here, too And they'll plant me in the dirt Like some lame bulb That never blooms come any spring" The use of the word 'lame' just does it for me. Brilliant. Anita ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #261 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe