From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 18 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 260 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: PS on the songbooks ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Songbooks [Chuck ] Hejira songbook... anyone? [Wtking59@cs.com] Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? [Anita G Subject: Re: PS on the songbooks Like Catherine, I'd appreciate one of each, thanks, Les. What would the cost be for Canadian members? cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:42:00 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Guitar Odyssey Laura, this is a great article. The original Acoustic Guitar August 1996 issue is a must for any Joni collector. The issue not only has phenomenal pictures of Joni, this article but also a gear article that talks about her guitars. It also had a transcription of Just Like This Train. If you don't have it, ebay has two sales going now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Acoustic-Guitar-Magazine-August-1996-Joni-Mitchell-/22066 3686994?pt=Magazines&hash=item336094a752 http://cgi.ebay.com/AG3-ACOUSTIC-GUITAR-MAGAZINE-AUG-1996-JONI-MITCHELL-/3802 52677670?pt=Magazines&hash=item5888d36626 I also want to mention that the Sex Kills video of the Intimate and Interactive show from 1994 was one of the first videos I saw of Joni that instilled my passion to transcribe her tunings. Amazing performance. The other was the Gene Autry Museum performance. I know I'm late with my Pazfest report. Getting back to reality has been VERY HARD for me this week! Love, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Guitar Odyssey This is good. http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag44/CoverStory.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:13:08 -0400 From: Chuck Subject: Songbooks Great, Les! (Now what we need to have turn up next are cartons of Blue and For The Roses!) Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:38:31 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Hejira songbook... anyone? HEY, Les (and everyone else)--long time no post! ;-) Anyhoo ... I would LOVE a set of the HISSING/HEJIRA songbooks for $10. Just let me know the payment details if-and-when the deal is done. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'In My Own Time' (1971) by Karen Dalton ======================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:08:24 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Hejira songbook... anyone? Joniphiles - A music collector contacted me yesterday informing me of some goods he recently acquired. Boxes of books from the publisher sitting in a warehouse unopened (as of a few days ago). Among these boxes were the Hissing of Summer Lawns songbook and the Hejira songbook! Untouched and unopened for the last 34 years. A quick check of eBay reveals that he has put both these items there. He has them priced at a starting bid of $3.98 (+$2.98 shipping), but it appears to be a 4-6 day auction with no "buy it now" option. So, we would all be competing with each other there and driving up the price if we wanted one. On the other hand... he has offered to sell them to me, but I have to buy a full box of 50 each to get a good price. So my question is - any interest out there?? To make it simple, I thought I'd offer one deal to you all - both books, shipping included (to the US) for $10. Here are the items in question: http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=47 http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=21 Please let me know if you might be interested asap so I know if there is enough interest to make the deal. Thanks, Les PS These two books are being offered for $10 to JMDL members, and $12 to Facebook page members. So if it comes to pass... you know... keep it on the downlow with those Facebook types. : -) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:47:04 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Anita PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:02:40 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? He'll leave you drowning in the flotsam of a broken promise in the bay ... ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:47 PM To: jonipeople LIST Subject: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Anita PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:08:51 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? On 9/17/2010 12:47 PM, Anita G wrote: Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Yes: I can't get through the day Without at least one big boo-hoo The pain won't go away What am I gonna do? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:25:45 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Now I feel my somewhat senior moments more frequently, perhaps it would be helpful to name that song! Everyone will surely know scoo-els and joo-els are from For Free? I can't get yours, Sue and Les. I feel like I recognise the words but, damn it, can't name the songs Anita x. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:26:49 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Mine is from one of my least favorite songs, The Pirate of Penance. But as with any "what Joni song don't you like" thread (IMHO), The Pirate of Penance is probably better than more than half the songs in the world. :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Anita G [mailto:lawntreader@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:26 PM To: Les Irvin Cc: joni@smoe.org; Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Now I feel my somewhat senior moments more frequently, perhaps it would be helpful to name that song! Everyone will surely know scoo-els and joo-els are from For Free? I can't get yours, Sue and Les. I feel like I recognise the words but, damn it, can't name the songs Anita x. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:28:12 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? I'm a runaway from the record biz From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les > Irvin > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:09 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > On 9/17/2010 12:47 PM, Anita G wrote: > Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, > poetry > and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? > > Yes: > > I can't get through the day > Without at least one big boo-hoo > The pain won't go away > What am I gonna do? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:31:46 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Have to disagree with you on this rhyme, Anita. I think it showed a sense of humor from someone who was a linguistic genius. Jerry On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Anita G wrote: > Now I feel my somewhat senior moments more frequently, perhaps it > would be helpful to name that song! Everyone will surely know scoo-els > and joo-els are from For Free? I can't get yours, Sue and Les. I feel > like I recognise the words but, damn it, can't name the songs > Anita x. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:59:39 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? On 17 September 2010 20:31, Gerald Notaro wrote: > Have to disagree with you on this rhyme, Anita. I think it showed a sense of > humor from someone who was a linguistic genius. > > Jerry > Jerry, the irony sure passed me by! Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:00:51 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? I'm with you on that one, Sue. I'm amazed I remembered what song it was from! Without cheating and grabbing the CD to check, I think Les's is from "Man From Mars," about Joni's missing cat?? Can't think of my own example off the top of my distracted head. T On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Mine is from one of my least favorite songs, The Pirate of Penance. But as > with any "what Joni song don't you like" thread (IMHO), The Pirate of > Penance is probably better than more than half the songs in the world. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita G [mailto:lawntreader@googlemail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:26 PM > To: Les Irvin > Cc: joni@smoe.org; Susan Tierney McNamara > Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > Now I feel my somewhat senior moments more frequently, perhaps it > would be helpful to name that song! Everyone will surely know scoo-els > and joo-els are from For Free? I can't get yours, Sue and Les. I feel > like I recognise the words but, damn it, can't name the songs > Anita x. > - -- "An artist can show things that other people are terrified of expressing." - ---Louise Bourgeois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:02:31 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? 'The Pirate of Penance' of course! It's so hard when you know it but can't quite get it. I DO remember hearing it for the very first time and thinking I'd never heard anything quite like it. I think you're right,Sue, it's better than 'half the songs in the world.' And try and sing it on you're own! Anitax On 17 September 2010 20:26, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Mine is from one of my least favorite songs, The Pirate of Penance. But as with any "what Joni song don't you like" thread (IMHO), The Pirate of Penance is probably better than more than half the songs in the world. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:14:12 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Pretty much the entire lyric of Underneath The Streetlight. Without a doubt, my least favorite Joni song, both lyrically and musically. "Yes I do I love you! I swear on the blinkin' planes above I do" Jack In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:49:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lawntreader@googlemail.com writes: I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has not lived up to your expectations? Anita PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:42:23 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? Oh and by the way, Anita, I am very sorry I didn't tell you sooner that I loved your version of Woodstock on the fundraiser disc! You sang that with many versions of yourself and added your own twist to it too. Wonderful!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Anita G [mailto:lawntreader@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 4:03 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? 'The Pirate of Penance' of course! It's so hard when you know it but can't quite get it. I DO remember hearing it for the very first time and thinking I'd never heard anything quite like it. I think you're right,Sue, it's better than 'half the songs in the world.' And try and sing it on you're own! Anitax On 17 September 2010 20:26, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Mine is from one of my least favorite songs, The Pirate of Penance. But as with any "what Joni song don't you like" thread (IMHO), The Pirate of Penance is probably better than more than half the songs in the world. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:41:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Robin and Dave's upcoming gig in Greenwich, London Dear all, as has already been mentioned by others in previous posts, Dave Blackburn and Robin Adler are coming to play at my local jazz bar in Greenwich, London SE10, on Saturday 2 October. Everybody knows, from their performance at the 2008 UK Jonifest, the 2009 Idylwild Jonifest and last week's gig at Anita's Conker Cabin, what marvellous musicians they are, and what a jewel their CD of Joni covers Safari's To The Heart is. If anybody needs a reminder, you can listen here to samples of their CD: http://robinadler.com/ Just a bit more about the venue, Oliver's. Address: 9 Nevada St, London SE10 9JL Telephone 020 8858 5855 If you google Oliver's bar, you will find lots of glowing reviews, like this random one: "Hidden away in Greenwich is this wonderful music venue / bar. Dark and cavernous, the place oozes understated style, and just by stepping in the door you can feel your cool-rating rise by a couple of notches. Saying that, it's by no means a pretentious venue, and would be a great place for a date, or to go to with a close bunch of friends to relax over a bottle of wine and great live music." Or this one: "Oliver's Jazz Bar on Nevada Street is a little treasure. My favourite place in London. And the best part? There's an awful lot of people who don't even know where it is. But that's a good thing, because it's one of the best kept secrets in Greenwich. (....) OK, then over the road from Greenwich Theatre, behind the Spread Eagle, there's a little bench (do pop into the Nevada Street Deli next time you pass), see that little alleyway? And the black door? Push it. Just a little. Follow those stairs down into the wonderful little bar that is Olivers. Dark, cosy, all painted red and black, tinkling on the piano. Everything a smoky jazz bar should be. Except it's not smoky anymore." You may find the bar's own website, http://www.liveblues.info/oliversmusicbar/home/ but it is already out of date because Olivier, the French owner, is decidedly not into computers! So anybody thinking of turning up, feel free to contact me and I can give you more details on how to get there by public transport, or where to safely park your car nearby. The gig only starts at 9.30, but you could get together with Dave and Robin (and me) over a drink or a bite to eat beforehand. I will be inviting several local friends and acquaintances too, of course, and the club also has its regular faithful clientele, so it could get pretty packed. (I hope I'm not tempting fate by saying this!) Hoping to see you in 2 weeks' time! Lieve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:35:04 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? That one is a mouthful, isn't it? But I actually like it. Coupled with the previous line it sustains the metaphor very well, imo: The pirate he will sink you with a kiss he'll steal your heart and sail away And leave you drowning in the flotsam of a broken promise in the bay And knowing that 'Man From Mars' was about her cat I guess I always figured the 'one big boo-hoo' was kind of a humorously sly wink. It never bothered me that much. There is one rhyme that is from what is one of my very favorite songs that has always sounded a bit contrived to me. Not so much because it sounds bad but it just seems that the second line was made up solely to rhyme with the first: He stakes all his silver on a promise to be free Mermaids live in colonies True, mermaids are associated with the sea but there just doesn't seem to be a completely logical progression there. And Joni's writing at its best flows so beautifully. She has such a gift for putting language together, sequencing her words and phrases in structured, beautiful but seemingly logical, natural ways. Mark in Seattle (pea green with envy again at the thought of all you lucky people getting to experience Robin, Dave and the Mutts over across the Pond) - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Tierney McNamara" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:02 PM To: "Anita G" ; "jonilist JMDL" Subject: RE: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > He'll leave you drowning in the flotsam of a broken promise in the bay ... > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita > G > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:47 PM > To: jonipeople LIST > Subject: Has Joni ever written a rhyme you've not liked? > > I've intonated that I was never overly keen on Joni's rhyming on > jewels and schools (as joo-els and scoo-els) on LOTC, which she later > rectified somewhere, but I can't recall where. Are there any other > times when Joni's meticulous use of language, poetry and rhythm has > not lived up to your expectations? > Anita > PS Think beyond 'Shine' if you can..... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #260 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe