From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 15 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 196 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- thirtysomething [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: thirtysomething [Catherine McKay ] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: thirtysomething [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Paved Paradise Redux: John Kelly's Upcoming Performances [Robbi Kearns ] Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." ["Jill Haas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:52:26 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: thirtysomething Hi all. Just thought I'd pass on a significant Joni moment that I had recently. No chance meeting or anything exciting like that. The '90s angst driven soap opera, thirtysomething has just been released on DVD so, I was reliving my youth and started watching them from the beginning. Episode 3 is a story about second guessing and deciding whether to follow a deeply held moral or throwing it to the wind and taking the corporate path of greed for the sake of comfort and wealth. The story ends with Michael taking the latter choice which greatly disappointed me. The "B" story is about Hope flirting with and being flirted by a young handyman and finding it educational to test her will. The final scene is of most of the main characters sitting around the living room as Joni's, The Circle Game plays over their joyous revelling. Corny, I know but, this show was a big influence on me even though I was slightly too young for the demographic. It seemed open and honest to me at the time, not hopelessly contrived as it does now. I fell in love with the music and have become quite the fan of G.W. Snuffy Walden. Ricki Lee Jones has the honour of having a song included in an episode and on the soundtrack album but, Joni has the honour of being the first non original artist played in an episode. Mark in Sydney NP The Fez - Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thirtysomething I used to enjoy that show. It seems to me there were at least 2-3 Joni references in it. I would be very surprised if "River" wasn't featured in one episode, but memory fails - including my ability to check the jonimitchell.com library because I can't remember my password to log in! ________________________________ From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:52:26 AM Subject: thirtysomething The final scene is of most of the main characters sitting around the living room as Joni's, The Circle Game plays over their joyous revelling. [...]The '90s angst driven soap opera, thirtysomething has just been released on DVD so, I was reliving my youth and started watching them from the beginning. Episode 3 is a story about second guessing [...] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:49:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething Yes, "River" was used in the episode titled "I'll Be Home For Christmas". According to the cast, THEY originated it as a holiday-themed song. Not sure that I agree with that... Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "You Are My Sun" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:57:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething Laura's "Cultural Reference" site lists THREE Joni references in the show. The third is a reference to "All I Want" in the episode "Mr. Right". Nice job with this site, Laura - Mr. Murphy would be proud of your efforts. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Alesund" (this gorgeous new album from SKM (Mark Kozelek) is breath-taking. I can't recommend it enough to ANYONE, especially you guitarists. Check it out) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:21:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thirtysomething But then again, I don't see any evidence to the contrary. Looking at the covers of River (210 listed in the database), only a handful were recorded before this thirtysomething episode, and none of these were on Christmas or holiday-themed albums: - -Reilly & Maloney included it on their 1977 live album called "Alive". - -Dave van Ronk included it on his 1973 album titled "Songs For Ageing Children" 99% of the KNOWN covers of "River" were issued after the 30-something reference - perhaps they DID place it as a holiday reference. I'm willing to give them the credit until evidence pops up to suggest otherwise. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "The Leaning Tree" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:13:15 -0400 From: Robbi Kearns Subject: Paved Paradise Redux: John Kelly's Upcoming Performances Hi All - John Kelly has two upcoming performances of Paved Paradise Redux: The Art of Joni Mitchell. Friday July 16 & Saturday July 17 The Spiegeltent at Fischer Center at Bard College Annandale-on-Hudson, NY http://fishercenter.bard.edu/calendar/event.php?eid=109902&year=2010&month=7 San Francisco Monday July 19, 2010 - Wednesday July 21st The RAZZ ROOM at Hotel Nikko 222 Mason Street San Francisco, CA http://www.therrazzroom.com/10Artist/JohnK10.html Enjoy!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:49:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CSN Hello Just attended both gigs of CSN in Paris. "Woodstock" was the opener for both shows. Last night Graham dedicated "Our House" to Joni. I think he never got over her, but who would? He still has humor though. He adressed the audience with "there's a guy in the 4th row with binoculars, why the f... do you need binoculars, do you want..." as he began to unzip his flyer. Interesting show, Croz explained the record company wants them to make an album of covers so they're testing different covers on us. Warm response from the audience during Behind Blue Eyes (Who) and Midnight Rider (Allman), both of which had "???" on the setlists. Also Steven dedicated "Rock n Roll Woman" to Veronique who was in the audience. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:47:27 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." Thanks Mark, http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html "the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love...not Joni - she made it and moved on to more important things..." I rest my case about the notches in the belt, (lthough I made it a long time ago) - and we all agree that there are perhaps a few notches in Ms. Mitchell's belt. There are a few of us that lived that time and know what it's like to prove ourselves by behaving like the men around us did - we moved on. So did Joni. She is so a Dudette, Duder!! I quote from the above mentioned source: "While most of the sixties rock revolution was fomented by guys, the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love, or dead from intemperance like Mama Cass and Janis Joplin. Not so for the quintessentially cool dudeist saint Mitchell who sang smartly about individualism while smoking and cursing like a sailor and living life on her own terms. She paints pretty good too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "gene" ; "joni" Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History > Lol! This too funny! (and appropriate) > > Mark in Seattle > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "gene" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:15 PM > To: "joni" > Subject: Great Dudes in History > >> Joni made the list!!! >> http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html >> >> enjoy, gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:24:04 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History - Revisit on "Your noches liberation doll..." Interestingly, Joni herself in an interview following her being reunited with her daughter commented on this very subject. She said something like, "We all thought it was free love back then. What we learned was, nothing is free." Jerry On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Jill Haas wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html > > "the ladies seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of > free love...not Joni - she made it and moved on to more important things..." > > I rest my case about the notches in the belt, (lthough I made it a long > time ago) - and we all agree that there are perhaps a few notches in Ms. > Mitchell's belt. There are a few of us that lived that time and know what > it's like to prove ourselves by behaving like the men around us did - we > moved on. So did Joni. She is so a Dudette, Duder!! > > I quote from the above mentioned source: > > "While most of the sixties rock revolution was fomented by guys, the ladies > seemed to end up as notches in their frayed leather belts of free love, or > dead from intemperance like Mama Cass and Janis Joplin. Not so for the > quintessentially cool dudeist saint Mitchell who sang smartly about > individualism while smoking and cursing like a sailor and living life on her > own terms. She paints pretty good too. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" > To: "gene" ; "joni" > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Great Dudes in History > > > Lol! This too funny! (and appropriate) >> >> Mark in Seattle >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "gene" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:15 PM >> To: "joni" >> Subject: Great Dudes in History >> >> Joni made the list!!! >>> http://dudeism.com/greatdudes.html >>> >>> enjoy, gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:22:42 +1000 (ChST) From: "Pat Boland" Subject: Voices Hey gang, If there's anyone out there who wants and doesn't yet have Joni's 'VOICES' art book from the Mendel exhibit, for the next 4 days someone is auctioning on ebay with a starting bid of only $25.00! This is remarkable because most sellers have been asking but not getting between $300 & $400. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=300445564405&Category=29223&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D1 a definite opportunity... good luck. Pat ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #196 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe