From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #185 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 5 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 185 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Your notches, liberation doll [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Your notches, liberation doll? ["Mark" ] Re: Your notches, liberation doll? ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:48:53 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll Funny you should say that, Linda. I've often misheard lyrics in Joni's songs and when I first heard Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, I heard, "you're not just liberation, Doll". I actually heard it as a compliment, not as a put down as I'm rethinking it to be now. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:52:23 -0400 From: Paul Ivice Subject: liberation doll From: Gerald Notaro ubject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll? I'll take a stab at it. Even though she considers herself a liberated woman, he is (you're) nothing but a sexual conquest, a notch in his belt, bedpost, ashboard, etc. Doll makes it even worse. It is a pejorative, sexist term a an uses with a woman to convey generic distance, superiority, treating her s an object of pleasure rather than a person. This interpretation is the closest to what I think Joni means. I think the woman in the story is being told that no matter how liberated she thinks she is, men still think of women as conquests and notches in their belt. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 21:35:34 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll? - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark" like childhood Santa Clause, Santa Clause? Lol! After knocking out all of those words, was that some kind of Freudian slip on my part? Marke in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:49:44 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll? - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 9:41 PM To: "Mark" Cc: "Catherine McKay" ; Subject: Re: Your notches, liberation doll? > I find that trying to figure out who Joni was writing about adds another > dimension to the mystery. She has dated so many interesting men and > written about them. I'm not just gossip-mongering here. Honest! :-) Hey, Mark! I'm not above gossip! (But I will sit on a secret where honor is at stake!) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #185 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe