From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 28 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a shameless coming out ! [T Peckham ] Re: Joni mention on www.sfgate.com, now reworked lyrics [M C ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:18:51 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I realize I have to listen to DJRD again! I bought the album when it came out but never listened very much. I remember I liked Talk to me. I don't own the cd so I can't listen right now since I don't own a record player anymore but I will order the cd. A couple of months ago I bought Mingus on cd. Like with DJDR, I have had the album since it came out but never got into it. Now that I listened again I am absolutely amazed at how f-ing good it is. I can't imagine why I didn't like it the first time round but I guess it has to do with age. I appreciate jazz much more now than I used to. Thanks everybody for your thoughts on DJDR and making me want to hear it again! Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; "Leah Welborn" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > Oh, I've told this story before, but don't let that stop me... > > I didn't hear > DJRD when it first came out. In fact, I didn't own it, or Mingus for that > matter, until some time after I joined this list, which is 10-12 years > ago. > I've probably had those two albums for max ten years. > > DJRD is absolutely one > of my most favouritest albums EVER. I honestly can't say I had even heard > much, if anything, from it until I bought it, so, for me, in the grand > scheme > of things, it's still quite new. > > The opening notes just suck me right in and > I wanna go dancing down on Cotton Avenue! > > I think some critics may have > suggested it's not cohesive, that it's all over the place, but I think > it's a > complete story/arc that takes you all over the world and back home again, > and > I love it. > > I get what you're saying about the Tenth World being good running > music. Even though I don't run (hell, I can hardly even walk these > days!), I > find it great meditative sort of music to be listened to when you've got > something to do that could be a bit of a slog and need that extra kick in > the > arse to get up and going. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Leah Welborn > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:58 PM > Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > from Blue to DJRD is astounding.> > > To be sure! I mean, there were plenty of > artists who rocked the 70's, and > put out an amazing body of work in the > decade, but I can't think of ANY of > them who made the artistic arc that Joni > did. So much ahead of the times. > I particularly remember DJRD's release > because I was big-time on the Joni > train at this point, unlike everything > that came before C&S. When WQDR in > Raleigh said that they would feature the > album in its entirety at midnight > (a couple days prior to its release), I was > ready with my headphones and > tapedeck. As much as I loved Hejira, I couldn't > wait to hear what was up > next. > > The whole album is so dream-like (dreams > being one of its several themes), > and I was sucked in from that opening...the > mystical vocals and guitar > intro to Cotton Avenue, Jaco's bass all over the > place, the almost > overwhelming-ness of Paprika Plains, and so on. I was bored > by "The Tenth > World" at first but have grown to appreciate it - and have > since learned > that it's GREAT to run to. > > DJRD is a lot to digest, and at the > time it was 'too far out there' for a > lot of people who apparantly wanted her > to crank out another C&S. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:42:59 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: That Boy on DJRD Jamie, what a fascinating read. Thanks so much for digging this up. Mark in Sydney NP To Be Free - Mike Oldfield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 04:08:17 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a shameless coming out ! There are numerous written sources on this stuff. According to Karen O'Brien's Joni bio, *Shadows and Light*, the choir was CSNY (plus Joni). It's hard to tell even w/repeated close listenings--partly because of the mix, but also because their trademark harmonies are pretty much not there: it sounds like they're simply singing in unison w/her, albeit an octave lower. The high harmonies I hear are hers. There might be more info in the reviews/interviews of the time. While Joni was still living in NYC, a beginning-level music biz guy named Elliot Roberts saw her at the Cafe au Go Go and quit his job to become her manager. She hooked up w/Crosby in Florida soon after, and he eventually got Roberts an intro to Warner Bros. in LA, and he got her her record deal. They both moved to LA in December '67, Roberts to sleep on the couch of another transplanted New York friend, Ron Stone, whose place was on Lookout Mountain. Stone owned a used clothing shop next door to the Troubador, where he was meeting a lot of the musicians who were playing there, including David Crosby. It wasn't long before Joni introduced Roberts to Neil Young, around the time of the demise of Buffalo Springfield. Elliot Roberts signed Joni, Neil, and Crosby to his new company, Lookout Management, and Stone became part of the organization. Lookout Management morphed in and out of various names and partnerships, most notably the Geffen-Roberts Company, and its roster included most of the Laurel Canyon elite. Roberts soon rented a place on Lookout near Stone's; Joni bought her cottage at 8217 Lookout Mountain in '68 (Nash moved in shortly thereafter); Carole King lived on Lookout not far from Joni's; I'm not certain what other musicians lived on that particular street at the time. Joni bought the property in BC in '72, and at some point sublet her Lookout Mt. cottage to Ron Stone. At the end of '74, after the success of *Court & Spark*, she bought the Bel Air home where she still resides, and sold her cottage to Stone, who apparently remained there until relatively recently. See *Laurel Canyon* by Michael Walker; *Crosby, Stills & Nash* by Dave Zimmer w/Henry Diltz photography; *Girls Like Us* by Sheila Weller; and *Waiting for the Sun, A Rock 'n' Roll History of Los Angeles* by Barney Hoskyns--(altho beware this one: I haven't read it in its entirety yet, but in the few sections I have read I found several glaring errors of fact, and Mr. Hoskyns has been called on that in reviews of other books he's written.) Terra On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > Hi Jamie, > > I've wondered who made up that Choir for some time. I never knew that CSNY > were in there. Is there a full list somewhere of who made up the Choir on > "Circle Game"? > > -Corey > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Zooby wrote: > > > Yes, I always thought it was the street where they lived. Apparently Joni > > took a wooden house while her place was being redecorated (though I'm not > > entirely sure if this is the same house that she lives in now). And the > > place she was renting was on Lookout Mountain with Neil, Stephen, Graham > > (unless he was already 'with' her) and Crosby all up and down the same > > street, with some of the Laurel Canyon ladies forming some of the rest of > > the choir. > > > > Much Joni > > > > Jamie Zooby > > Sent using BlackBerry. from Orange > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corey Blake > > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:43 > > To: > > Subject: Re: Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir Trivia and a > > shameless coming out ! > > > > Hi Slim, > > Lookout Mountain Avenue is a side street in Lauren Canyon. I always > assumed > > it was a reference to that. Maybe they rehearsed and/or recorded them in > > the > > lower level of someone's house or studio on Lookout Mountain Ave. That's > > what I've always imagined, anyway. > > > > -Corey > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:52 AM, wrote: > > > > > Was there a Music Manager back in the sixties and seventies that had a > > > Company > > > called Lookout Management ? > > > Is this were Joni got the Idea for the Choirs name on Circle Game. > > > > > > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:56:17 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter DJRD is one I had to come back to to appreciate. And That was through listers here insistence that I would like it if I gave it another chance. And of course, they were right. Jerry On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > I realize I have to listen to DJRD again! I bought the album when it came > out but never listened very much. I remember I liked Talk to me. I don't own > the cd so I can't listen right now since I don't own a record player anymore > but I will order the cd. > A couple of months ago I bought Mingus on cd. Like with DJDR, I have had > the album since it came out but never got into it. Now that I listened again > I am absolutely amazed at how f-ing good it is. I can't imagine why I didn't > like it the first time round but I guess it has to do with age. I appreciate > jazz much more now than I used to. > Thanks everybody for your thoughts on DJDR and making me want to hear it > again! > Marion > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" < > anima_rising@yahoo.ca> > To: ; "Leah Welborn" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > > Oh, I've told this story before, but don't let that stop me... >> >> I didn't hear >> DJRD when it first came out. In fact, I didn't own it, or Mingus for that >> matter, until some time after I joined this list, which is 10-12 years >> ago. >> I've probably had those two albums for max ten years. >> >> DJRD is absolutely one >> of my most favouritest albums EVER. I honestly can't say I had even heard >> much, if anything, from it until I bought it, so, for me, in the grand >> scheme >> of things, it's still quite new. >> >> The opening notes just suck me right in and >> I wanna go dancing down on Cotton Avenue! >> >> I think some critics may have >> suggested it's not cohesive, that it's all over the place, but I think >> it's a >> complete story/arc that takes you all over the world and back home again, >> and >> I love it. >> >> I get what you're saying about the Tenth World being good running >> music. Even though I don't run (hell, I can hardly even walk these >> days!), I >> find it great meditative sort of music to be listened to when you've got >> something to do that could be a bit of a slog and need that extra kick in >> the >> arse to get up and going. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: >> "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >> To: Leah Welborn >> >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:28:58 PM >> Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >> >> > from Blue to DJRD is astounding.> >> >> To be sure! I mean, there were plenty of >> artists who rocked the 70's, and >> put out an amazing body of work in the >> decade, but I can't think of ANY of >> them who made the artistic arc that Joni >> did. So much ahead of the times. >> I particularly remember DJRD's release >> because I was big-time on the Joni >> train at this point, unlike everything >> that came before C&S. When WQDR in >> Raleigh said that they would feature the >> album in its entirety at midnight >> (a couple days prior to its release), I was >> ready with my headphones and >> tapedeck. As much as I loved Hejira, I couldn't >> wait to hear what was up >> next. >> >> The whole album is so dream-like (dreams >> being one of its several themes), >> and I was sucked in from that opening...the >> mystical vocals and guitar >> intro to Cotton Avenue, Jaco's bass all over the >> place, the almost >> overwhelming-ness of Paprika Plains, and so on. I was bored >> by "The Tenth >> World" at first but have grown to appreciate it - and have >> since learned >> that it's GREAT to run to. >> >> DJRD is a lot to digest, and at the >> time it was 'too far out there' for a >> lot of people who apparantly wanted her >> to crank out another C&S. >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Joni mention on www.sfgate.com, now reworked lyrics The oil is overflowing, in the Gulf of Mexico. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:21:46 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: So You Think You Can Dance - VLJC From: Michael Paz <<< What about Survivor???? I luv that one. Mostly because of the exotic landscapes, but it is a good escape from real reality. >>> Survivor is one of my favorite reality shows, I've never missed an episode in all the seasons it's been on. But it's over for this season so I have to get my fix somewhere else. Like Jimmy, I'll watch So You Think You Can Dance because some of the dancers they choose are phenomenal and it's a different kind of artistry that I enjoy. I especially enjoyed the dance choreographed around breast cancer last year watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1wr42lSuo8&feature=related performed to Kate Bush's This Woman's Work, performed by Maxwell, this piece had everyone including the judges in tears which I'd never seen before on the show. The choreographer, Tyce Diorio's friend Michele Larkin, who he's known since he was 14 years old, had been fighting breast cancer for the year prior to this performance. Michele teaches dance out of St. Paul, Minnesota. I also really liked Bleeding love seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EmWRNp_6l8&feature=related And dance set to Diana Krall's version of Joni's "A Case of You" is some pretty good modern dance too. See here: http://www.rickey.org/?p=28392 Of course there are some ballroom dances included in the competition and I do hope some of you will tune in and watch SYTYCD this season, the choreography is downright amazing. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #146 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe