From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #108 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 20 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 108 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A letter from Sheila Weller [Leah Welborn ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #107 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #107 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: A letter from Sheila Weller ["Mark" ] Shawn Colvin in concert (Joni guitar content) [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: A letter from Sheila Weller [T Peckham ] Fwd: A letter from Sheila Weller [T Peckham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:51:31 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: Re: A letter from Sheila Weller Hi Mark, Thank you so much for your thoughtful words, but I must immediately say that I didn't post the letter from Weller. I'm simply a satisfied reader of the book. I'm afraid I've lost track for the moment of who, exactly posted the letter (to the person who posted it: I'm sorry! I'm new to the list and haven't gotten to know people yet). But I agree with your thoughts. I make no claim to know the truth about what happened. My sole knowledge of the incident comes from the Weller book, so I'm not necessarily quoting it as gospel. I will however, continue to say that it is a really really good read. At first I considered just reading the Joni parts, but damn, the story of Carly's family (the Simons) is incredibly interesting, and carole's story is just crazy. I ended up liking all three "stories" equally, even though I much prefer Joni's music over that of the other two. And yes, if he ain't shown up and he ain't called and he's three hours late, he best be dead. xoxox Leah (in Los Angeles for 12 more days!) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Mark wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Leah Welborn" > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:02 AM > > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: A letter from Sheila Weller > > Maybe you guys know this cool little book about Court and Spark by Sean >> Nelson? He has some cool interpretations of the songs. He proffers that >> the >> narrator of Car on a Hill is not "joni" per se, but another more timid, >> fragile woman (and when one is in emotional trauma, one's self often feels >> fragmented)..anyway, I like the book a lot, and would love to hear what >> other people think about it. >> >> xoxoxo >> Leah >> > > Hi Leah. > For many years I never thought about the line 'He said he'd be over 3 hours > ago'. Now it strikes me that 3 hours is a long, long, long time (one 'long' > for each of the 3 hours) to wait for somebody. The word 'doormat' comes to > mind. Maybe I never thought of it because I had that tendency myself (to be > a doormat, that is) when I was younger. > > But I never thought of Joni as a 'doormat' type. Again, as Catherine and > others have pointed out, I had and still have my own idea of what Joni's > character was/is. I always thought of her as sensitive but ultimately > strong, a survivor. She wouldn't give in to 'she'll never walk again' when > she had polio as a kid. She just packed up and moved out when she decided > to leave Chuck. She came through her 'Blue' period and emerged, springing > from the boulders like a mama lion (although 'Little Green' was a blow that > would take finding her daughter again to finally begin some healing > process). > > I sort of remember hearing that she had been linked with Jackson Browne. > Personally, I was never a fan of his to begin with (although I did like his > looks back in the good ol' 70s) and had never thought of him as anything but > a blip on Joni's radar. When the whole business with Darryl Hannah came to > light, the only thing that occurred to me was the line from 'Lucky Girl' > that goes 'Cheaters, woman beaters and Huck Finn shucksters hoppin' parking > meters'. I kind of went hmm. I wonder who 'woman beaters' was referring > to? > > Then along came 'Not to Blame' and the s**t kind of hit the fan between > Joni & Jackson, if I remember right. He made some very unflattering remarks > about her to the press. She denied that the song was about anybody in > particular. > > I guess I can admit the possibility of a suicide attempt and your bathtub > analogy makes sense. But I can be very stubborn about things and until I > hear (or read) it from Joni herself, I still don't quite buy into it. (As > if that is ever likely to happen.) If it did happen, the bathtub thing is > far more plausible to me as the cause than just Jackson Browne. > > Perhaps I am deluded. Or just deranged. > > But reading about the 'vetting' process gives me a more positive view of > 'Girls Like Us' and its author. I have it but have yet to read it. Even > bought it new which I almost never do because I think the price of paperback > books is outrageous and I buy almost all used books. The excerpts I did > read in reviews and articles about the book were fascinating. But the > suicide attempt business put me off and made me less eager to read it. Now > I will move it up my reading list. Also, I'm a long time Carly Simon and > Carole King fan. So that is more motivation to read it. > > Thank you for posting the letter from Sheila Weller. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:19:34 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #107 In a message dated 4/19/2010 9:39:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I still find that far too many contemporaries of mine don't get the Joni thing. Often people think I'm obsessed! so as a result, I now tend to keep most of my comments and thoughts to myself Yea I'm pretty limited who I share Joni with. Most people have heard of her but either call her a folk singer, comment on her earlier voice, or mix her up with Judy Collins or Joan Baez..People need to label you obsessed when you have a passion. I'm a "health nut" because I run marathons and a music snob because I pay attention to what I listen to. Oh well, it's human nature. And I ran twelve miles today listening to just Joni. So get out and combine your obsessions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:22:44 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #107 In a message dated 4/19/2010 9:39:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Thank you for posting the letter from Sheila Weller I guess I missed this actual post. Was Sheila's letter In the digest? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:36:04 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: A letter from Sheila Weller - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Leah Welborn" Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:02 AM To: Cc: Subject: Re: A letter from Sheila Weller > Maybe you guys know this cool little book about Court and Spark by Sean > Nelson? He has some cool interpretations of the songs. He proffers that > the > narrator of Car on a Hill is not "joni" per se, but another more timid, > fragile woman (and when one is in emotional trauma, one's self often feels > fragmented)..anyway, I like the book a lot, and would love to hear what > other people think about it. > > xoxoxo > Leah Hi Leah. For many years I never thought about the line 'He said he'd be over 3 hours ago'. Now it strikes me that 3 hours is a long, long, long time (one 'long' for each of the 3 hours) to wait for somebody. The word 'doormat' comes to mind. Maybe I never thought of it because I had that tendency myself (to be a doormat, that is) when I was younger. But I never thought of Joni as a 'doormat' type. Again, as Catherine and others have pointed out, I had and still have my own idea of what Joni's character was/is. I always thought of her as sensitive but ultimately strong, a survivor. She wouldn't give in to 'she'll never walk again' when she had polio as a kid. She just packed up and moved out when she decided to leave Chuck. She came through her 'Blue' period and emerged, springing from the boulders like a mama lion (although 'Little Green' was a blow that would take finding her daughter again to finally begin some healing process). I sort of remember hearing that she had been linked with Jackson Browne. Personally, I was never a fan of his to begin with (although I did like his looks back in the good ol' 70s) and had never thought of him as anything but a blip on Joni's radar. When the whole business with Darryl Hannah came to light, the only thing that occurred to me was the line from 'Lucky Girl' that goes 'Cheaters, woman beaters and Huck Finn shucksters hoppin' parking meters'. I kind of went hmm. I wonder who 'woman beaters' was referring to? Then along came 'Not to Blame' and the s**t kind of hit the fan between Joni & Jackson, if I remember right. He made some very unflattering remarks about her to the press. She denied that the song was about anybody in particular. I guess I can admit the possibility of a suicide attempt and your bathtub analogy makes sense. But I can be very stubborn about things and until I hear (or read) it from Joni herself, I still don't quite buy into it. (As if that is ever likely to happen.) If it did happen, the bathtub thing is far more plausible to me as the cause than just Jackson Browne. Perhaps I am deluded. Or just deranged. But reading about the 'vetting' process gives me a more positive view of 'Girls Like Us' and its author. I have it but have yet to read it. Even bought it new which I almost never do because I think the price of paperback books is outrageous and I buy almost all used books. The excerpts I did read in reviews and articles about the book were fascinating. But the suicide attempt business put me off and made me less eager to read it. Now I will move it up my reading list. Also, I'm a long time Carly Simon and Carole King fan. So that is more motivation to read it. Thank you for posting the letter from Sheila Weller. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:55:14 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Shawn Colvin in concert (Joni guitar content) Went to see Shawn Colvin last night at the State Theatre in Ithaca. She was really great. Her opening act, Garrison Starr was great, too. Had never heard her stuff before, she has a phenomenal voice. Anyway, as many of you know Shawn is a strong devotee to Joni's guitar style and I think she changed tunings for almost every song she played last night. I was so happy I was in the 8th row, because her guitar work was stunning. The intro to The Facts About Jimmy (one of my favs) sounded so much like Hejira, I thought that's what she was about to play! She ended the night with her cover of "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley. Excellent. Does Shawn Colvin have an accurate tab site out there? Do I really want to know the answer to that question? :) ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:32:52 -0400 From: Sam Stone Subject: Re: CLOUDS Well JMDLers, I've been listening to the whole CLOUDS album every other day for a week. I put it on right when I get home from school, and it's earned a permanent spot on or next to my turntable. The album suits every mood. Every song is amazing. Just perfect. Again, this is probably the best $3.50 I've spent in a long while. I am flabbergasted by the emotion I feel while listening to the record. It's incredible. Thank you all so much for the warm welcomes and for being such a warm community. - --Sam PS: Quick question: does anyone know how to contact Joni? NP: Cactus Tree On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:39 PM, wrote: > > favourite album of mine.> > > And Sam, I'll add that Anita's version of "I Think I Understand" from that > album is one of the loveliest things I've ever heard. > > Bob > > NP: Rickie Lee, "It Must Be Love" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:49:00 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Fwd: A letter from Sheila Weller [Damn, hit send before I remembered to copy in the JMDL address. Curses!] Thanks for posting this entire statement from the police. Sheila quotes the first part of it in a footnote in *Girls*, and she also includes some varying reactions of others in Joni and Jackson's circle, (including a previous girlfriend who says that violence was never part of her experience with him), so I think she does a pretty good job of reporting the available viewpoints and letting the reader sort them out. As for getting a response from Mr. Browne or someone in his camp, I don't know for certain, but I think that he has refused all further comment on anything having to do with the alleged incident w/Daryl Hannah or the song "Not To Blame" since a radio interview he did when the song came out. Thanks for the balance. ;-) Terra On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > To try to balance this out a little bit, I feel it's necessary to provide > this quote from the Santa Monica Police Department regarding the whole > Jackson Browne/Darryl Hannah thing: > > Here is a statement made by Lt. John Miehle of the Santa Monica Police > Department in November 1992:"The Santa Monica Police Department went to the > house where Jackson Browne lives regarding a possible disturbance. We > resolved the situation in about five minutes. There was never any assault. > There are no charges pending and no prosecution sought by or intended by > the > District Attorney. It is this department's intention that no citizen, > regardless of who she is, suffer any kind of abuse, whether it be domestic > violence or any other kind of assault. But in this case, absolutely no > assault occurred. Our investigators tell us nothing happened. Nobody has > even alleged that Daryl Hannah was even touched. If they had, we'd be > investigating. We're not hiding anything. The press is trying to make more > out of this than there really is, and it's unfair, not just to Browne, but > to us. We did our job, and repeat, no crime occurred here. This whole thing > is ridiculous." > > http://home.comcast.net/~leslienoelani/TNI.html > > Whether anything ever happened or not, I don't know. Sometimes I lean > toward > probably not, sometimes I lean toward maybe yes. But I know that most > artists are terribly flawed humans trying to do the best they can (just > like > me and everyone else I know), and that often part of the appeal of their > art > is their flaws and their struggles with them. I also feel that there comes > a > time where the art lives separate from the creator, and that enjoying it > isn't an endorsement for their behavior. > > My only wish for the Joni and Jackson segment was that Sheila had tried to > get some kind of response from Jackson Browne or a confidante from his > camp. > Obviously he's not the subject of the book, but dropping that kind of story > is pretty huge,and it's only fair to try to get some semblance of both > sides. > > -Corey > > > > > > > > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #108 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe