From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #104 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 17 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 104 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni comp for Rich [Walt Breen ] Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni comp for Rich [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: FW: need Joni recommendations [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] FW: need Joni recommendations [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: need Joni recommendations [Michael Paz ] Re: need Joni recommendations [Anita G ] Re: Joni comp for Rich [Anita G ] RE: Safaris to the Heart ["Watts, Lesli" ] Re: Safaris to the Heart [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Safaris to the Heart [] a letter from Sheila Weller [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: A letter from Sheila Weller [Leah Welborn ] Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [T Peckham ] Re: My design for the fated Hejira Double [Bob Muller ] Re: a letter from Sheila Weller [Catherine McKay ] Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: need Joni recommendations ["Mark" ] Re: Subject: Hello Beautiful Joni-people ["Mark" ] long time JMDL digest subscriber ["Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: Joni comp for Rich Hmmm. I'll take a crack at it, too. I tend to like some of the less well-known songs. In addition to the ones already mwntioned, you might want to listen to: I Had A King/STAS Pirates of Penance/STAS Gallery/Clouds Tin Angel/Clouds Conversation/LOTC My Old Man/Blue The Last Time I Saw Richard/Blue or Travelogue Ludwig's Song/FTR For the Roses/FTR Just Like This Train/C&S Court & Spark/C&S Jericho/MoA or DJRD Jungle Line/HOSL Anima Rising/HOSL (did somebody already suggest this one?) Furry Sings the Blues/Hejira Strange Boy/Hejira Cotton Avenue/DJRD Offnite Backstreet/DJRD God Must Be a Boogeyman/either Mingus or Travelogue The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay/Mingus Woodstock/S&L Man to Man/WTRF Love/WTRF or Travelogue The Three Great Stimulants/DED Lucky Girl/DED Beat of Black Wings/CMIARS Snakes and Ladders/CMIARS Only Joy In Town/NRH Passion Play/NRH Sunny Sunday/TI Yvette In English/TI Sex Kills/TI or Travelogue Job's Sad Lament/TI or Travelogue Taming the Tiger/TtT Facelift/TtT Harlem In Havana/TtT Both Sides Now/BSN You Dream Flat Tires/Travelogue If/Shine Shine/Shine (these last two may already have been suggested) The one song I just couldn't remember the name of, on LOTC, starts "You could have been more/Than a name on the door..." Good Luck, Rich. That and the foregoing suggestions should keep you busy. Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:43:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Hey Tara, just wanted to say a big thanks for sharing that letter from Sheila. FWIW I've never had any doubts about what I read in the book, about Joni or the others. It all seemed to make sense to me. Happy Friday y'all! Bob NP: The Beastie Boys, "Johnny Ryall" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:34:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: FW: need Joni recommendations One of the many qualities about you that I like, Mark - your ability to keep an open mind on things and even change it sometimes. I see that as a strength and not a weakness. Hey, you might even change your mind about Steely Dan one day - ha! As for my list...it would probably be different today if I did it. Thanks to this group I am always discovering the brilliances in Joni's work; case in point, our recent discussion of Barangrill made me want to include it on the list - I could have easily gone for any number of other FTR songs. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:52:07 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: FW: need Joni recommendations I can never resist a request like this, even though I'm swamped at work. So to take a couple of minutes, I picked one song off of each album and I'll write a quick reason why - 1) Unreleased - Eastern Rain: from the Second fret sets, the middle eastern flavor of the guitar work with the moody lyrics make this one of my very favorite songs to play. I was flummoxed about what tuning it was in and thank Marian the Magnificent for getting that it was in open G, capo fret 5. Bless you Marian! 2) Marcie - a sublimely perfect song lyrically, the verses balance on a pin. 3) That Song About the Midway - another fun song to play, a walk through festival scenes with Joni ... 4) The Priest - a challenging song on so many levels ... 5) All I Want - this is probably my favorite Joni song and one of the first ones I heard while sitting in my pink bedroom on Long Island all those years ago ... 6) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire - another masterpiece ... 7) Down to You - a symphony dripping with longing ... 8) Rainy Night House (the Miles of Ailes version) - I didn't realize how wonderful this version was till I heard the Mutts of the Planet homage ... really a beautiful arrangement ... 9) Shades of Scarlett Conquering - f..king amazing ... I still get chills ... 10) Refuge of the Roads - how to pick one song from a perfect album? This song is one of my favorites to play. 11) Dreamland - I think this song needs more exposure, I just love it. 12) Dry Cleaner from Des Moines - her phrasing on this song ranks with any jazz singer IMHO ... discuss ... 13) Amelia - from Shadows & Light, please don't forget to include Pat Methany's amazing solo ... 14) Moon At the Window - pre-cursor to her Night Ride Home/Turbulent Indigo period ... or as I like to call it Master Class ... 15) Three Great Stimulants - deep, moody, angry ... 16) Number One - I would have picked Impossible Dreamer but that did show up on the Misses disc. I like this song too. 17) Two Grey Rooms - Classic longing, longing, longing ... 18) Yvette In English - a great album always has a younger sister that doesn't get as much attention. I love to play this song which she co-wrote with David Crosby ... 19) Love Puts On A New Face - she played this song live while making the talk show circuit for Taming the Tiger. Hopefully romantic ... 20) You're My Thrill - ahhh ... 21) Judgement of the Moon and the Stars ... I think this song deserves an orchestra ... 22) If - Shine is such a great album, If is my favorite song ... 23) Big Yellow Taxi/Bony Maroney ... from the Amchitka release ... Joni showing off her rock and roll chops ... One more for the road (but I'm not sure if you could get your hands on this) Song For Sharon from the Save The Whales concert just for her pre-song tuning agony where she tunes her guitar while singing "Stardust" ... ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ============ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:43:49 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: need Joni recommendations Come on. help out Rich! Be sure and copy him on the email. From: Rich Kochman [mailto:RichKochman@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:50 AM To: les@jonimitchell.com Subject: need Joni recommendations If you can spare 15-20 minutes, I'd love recommendations from you for 20-30 songs I can put together into a nice Joni Mitchell mix/retrospective. The same way I tend to scoff at any of the James Taylor "Greatest Hits" discs as really only scratching the surface of his incredible career, I'm concerned that something like "Hits" which seems to focus more on the radio friendly songs I already know (Big Yellow Taxi, Circle Game, Woodstock, Help Me, Both Sides, etc) is going to overlook gems that a fan of the genre / artist is going to really appreciate, but not really get exposed to otherwise. That said, if "Hits" or some other compilation is the way for me to go, then just say the word. Many thanks in advance for your help with this. - - -Rich - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:24:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: need Joni recommendations I love Sue's list. I will add a few more: Love 13-From Wilds Things Run Fast. Simply gorgeous song. Stay In Touch-The song really speaks to me. Case of You-From the BSN album. The strings make me cry everytime. Song For Sharon- One of my all time faves For The Roses- I could pick them all from this album Banquet-From the 83 toour. I loved this version when I saw her live in Baton Rouge 20th row center. I could go on and on but then you would have 26 volumes. Hope this helps. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: I can never resist a request like this, even though I'm swamped at work. So to take a couple of minutes, I picked one song off of each album and I'll write a quick reason why - 1) Unreleased - Eastern Rain: from the Second fret sets, the middle eastern flavor of the guitar work with the moody lyrics make this one of my very favorite songs to play. I was flummoxed about what tuning it was in and thank Marian the Magnificent for getting that it was in open G, capo fret 5. Bless you Marian! 2) Marcie - a sublimely perfect song lyrically, the verses balance on a pin. 3) That Song About the Midway - another fun song to play, a walk through festival scenes with Joni ... 4) The Priest - a challenging song on so many levels ... 5) All I Want - this is probably my favorite Joni song and one of the first ones I heard while sitting in my pink bedroom on Long Island all those years ago ... 6) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire - another masterpiece ... 7) Down to You - a symphony dripping with longing ... 8) Rainy Night House (the Miles of Ailes version) - I didn't realize how wonderful this version was till I heard the Mutts of the Planet homage ... really a beautiful arrangement ... 9) Shades of Scarlett Conquering - f..king amazing ... I still get chills ... 10) Refuge of the Roads - how to pick one song from a perfect album? This song is one of my favorites to play. 11) Dreamland - I think this song needs more exposure, I just love it. 12) Dry Cleaner from Des Moines - her phrasing on this song ranks with any jazz singer IMHO ... discuss ... 13) Amelia - from Shadows & Light, please don't forget to include Pat Methany's amazing solo ... 14) Moon At the Window - pre-cursor to her Night Ride Home/Turbulent Indigo period ... or as I like to call it Master Class ... 15) Three Great Stimulants - deep, moody, angry ... 16) Number One - I would have picked Impossible Dreamer but that did show up on the Misses disc. I like this song too. 17) Two Grey Rooms - Classic longing, longing, longing ... 18) Yvette In English - a great album always has a younger sister that doesn't get as much attention. I love to play this song which she co-wrote with David Crosby ... 19) Love Puts On A New Face - she played this song live while making the talk show circuit for Taming the Tiger. Hopefully romantic ... 20) You're My Thrill - ahhh ... 21) Judgement of the Moon and the Stars ... I think this song deserves an orchestra ... 22) If - Shine is such a great album, If is my favorite song ... 23) Big Yellow Taxi/Bony Maroney ... from the Amchitka release ... Joni showing off her rock and roll chops ... One more for the road (but I'm not sure if you could get your hands on this) Song For Sharon from the Save The Whales concert just for her pre-song tuning agony where she tunes her guitar while singing "Stardust" ... ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ============ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:43:49 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: need Joni recommendations Come on. help out Rich! Be sure and copy him on the email. From: Rich Kochman [mailto:RichKochman@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:50 AM To: les@jonimitchell.com Subject: need Joni recommendations If you can spare 15-20 minutes, I'd love recommendations from you for 20-30 songs I can put together into a nice Joni Mitchell mix/retrospective. The same way I tend to scoff at any of the James Taylor "Greatest Hits" discs as really only scratching the surface of his incredible career, I'm concerned that something like "Hits" which seems to focus more on the radio friendly songs I already know (Big Yellow Taxi, Circle Game, Woodstock, Help Me, Both Sides, etc) is going to overlook gems that a fan of the genre / artist is going to really appreciate, but not really get exposed to otherwise. That said, if "Hits" or some other compilation is the way for me to go, then just say the word. Many thanks in advance for your help with this. - - -Rich - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:01:58 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: need Joni recommendations Hi Rich My list would start and an end with my favourite song and I think it's almost chronological. My 20 (which I really don't know if it would leave time on a cd. Mr Muller, you are so following in Blackburn model of perfection) are: 1) Dawntreader (STAS). Just a sublime, ethereal guitar with a dream of a melody and vocal floating through space and time. 2) I think I understand (Clouds). Unbelievable lyric of insight. 3) The Circle Game (LOTC). Just lovely to sing along and, yet again, a lyric of such wisdom. 4) For Free (LOTC) I like Joni's piano on this and I love the sentiment. I also the alleged player a while back who was standing on the noisy corner. 5) River. (Blue) Played it all the time. The ultimate song for the depressive. 6) The Last Time I saw Richard (Blue) as 5 7) Lesson in Survival (FTR) 8) Woman of Heart and Mind. (FTR) Just grooves along so beautifully 9) Trouble Child. (C&S) Brilliant hook, floaty and then with groove. 10) Just Like This Train (C&S) As above. !11)Sweet Bird (THOSL) Weird and out there and brilliant 12) Every thing from Hejira along with (as has already been said) Pat Metheny's solo from Amelia 'Shadows and Light' version. 13) The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey (MIngus). Howling, dark, scary. Innovative, rhythmic guitar playing, (Why isn't Joni on Guitar Hero programme currently showing on BBC4?) 14) Chinese Cafe (WTRF). Joni in her middle years, moving on. 15) Shiny Toys (DED). Just love the riff 16) Good Friends (DED). Cheery and I saw her sing it in London and prompted Joni when she forgot the words. 17) Come in From The Cold (NRH). We were SO young 18) Turbulent Indigo (TI) Some real anger and edge after good cheer the years previously 19) The Magdalene Laundries. A song of healing and recognition for so many. 'Lame bulbs'. Only JOni could think of that as such brilliant description. 20) Face Lift (TTT) Only because I was thinking of getting one when one day I looked in the mirror for the crow's feet around my eyes and all I could see was the crow. This song got me over my Face Lift blues! 21) IF (Shine). Brilliant guitar, fantastic drive and great last sing along line. 'You got the fight, you got the insight' 22) The Dawntreader (Travelogue version) Just to show the wheel turned. And I couldn't possibly bring the boat in in just 20 songs. And you know there could be SO many more Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:06 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni comp for Rich > The one song I just couldn't remember the name of, on LOTC, starts "You could > have been more/Than a name on the door..." > Walt "Little" Breen > I couldn't see anyone coming back with this song, which, Walt, is 'The Arrangement'. You could choose between Joni's arrangement or our very own Jenny Goodspeed's arrangement of the aong which is even better in my book Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:24:17 -0700 From: "Watts, Lesli" Subject: RE: Safaris to the Heart hey, to all who love the jungle line on dave and robin's album, you'll be totally blown away by the video, which i hope exists. dave - will the list be the first to know when tickets for your cd release gig become available? kudos! lesli ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Bob Muller Sent: Sun 4/11/2010 6:45 AM To: Dave Blackburn Cc: Mark; joni Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart Exactly, and I'm eternally grateful for what you have given us - every track's a treasure. Didn't mean to sound like I was biting the hand that feeds....I'm the first to admit that I'm a greedy bastard though - ha. Bob NP: The Mutts, "Judgement" (what a great track to start the day, along with a nice cup of coffee...ahhhh!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:54:38 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart As a matter of fact, tickets for our May 22nd CD release show in San Diego go on sale in a couple of days. I will of course let the listers know immediately how to get them. We'll be doing presales from our website (recommended) and there will be tickets at the door unless we sell out ahead of time, which has happened quite a few times. I know there were some people shooting videos here and there at the JoniFest but I haven't seen any of them. Also, the version of Jungle Line on the CD is not the one from the JoniFest, as we wanted to bring in a fabulous trumpeter to play the "trumpet paths", and he wasn't available that night. Half of the CD is live from that night however. Dave On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Watts, Lesli wrote: > hey, to all who love the jungle line on dave and robin's album, > you'll be totally blown away by the video, which i hope exists. > > dave - will the list be the first to know when tickets for your cd > release gig become available? > > kudos! > > lesli > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Bob Muller > Sent: Sun 4/11/2010 6:45 AM > To: Dave Blackburn > Cc: Mark; joni > Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart > > > > right there!> > > Exactly, and I'm eternally grateful for what you have given us - > every track's a treasure. Didn't mean to sound like I was biting the > hand that feeds....I'm the first to admit that I'm a greedy bastard > though - ha. > > Bob > > NP: The Mutts, "Judgement" (what a great track to start the day, > along with a nice cup of coffee...ahhhh!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart Cool...I'm having a cd release party the same day in Atlanta (of course 3 hours earlier) but I'll send some good vibes your way. Another friend is giving her first kirtan performance that night so there will be lots of music filling the air. Victor, looking forward to hearing Safaris to the Heart Sent from Comcast mobile - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn To: Lesli Watts, Jonilist Jmdler Sent: 2010-04-16 13:56:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart As a matter of fact, tickets for our May 22nd CD release show in San Diego go on sale in a couple of days. I will of course let the listers know immediately how to get them. We'll be doing presales from our website (recommended) and there will be tickets at the door unless we sell out ahead of time, which has happened quite a few times. I know there were some people shooting videos here and there at the JoniFest but I haven't seen any of them. Also, the version of Jungle Line on the CD is not the one from the JoniFest, as we wanted to bring in a fabulous trumpeter to play the "trumpet paths", and he wasn't available that night. Half of the CD is live from that night however. Dave On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Watts, Lesli wrote: > hey, to all who love the jungle line on dave and robin's album, > you'll be totally blown away by the video, which i hope exists. >> dave - will the list be the first to know when tickets for your cd > release gig become available? >> kudos! >> lesli >> ________________________________ >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Bob Muller > Sent: Sun 4/11/2010 6:45 AM > To: Dave Blackburn > Cc: Mark; joni > Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart >>>> right there!>>> Exactly, and I'm eternally grateful for what you have given us - > every track's a treasure. Didn't mean to sound like I was biting the > hand that feeds....I'm the first to admit that I'm a greedy bastard > though - ha. >> Bob >> NP: The Mutts, "Judgement" (what a great track to start the day, > along with a nice cup of coffee...ahhhh!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:24:21 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller From: T Peckham Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller I find that to be very intersesting thanks T and sheila Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:36:33 -0700 From: Leah Welborn Subject: Re: A letter from Sheila Weller T, Thanks soooo much for posting this. I just finished the book a couple of weeks ago and I absolutely loved it. I've followed this discussion thread (suicide attempt, et al.) with great interest, but for various reasons had decided not to chime in. This is very interesting, and she sounds like a journalist with a lot of integrity. - -Leah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:17:42 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Hi Bob, Thanks! That's nice to hear from a longtime lister, and with your permission, I'll pass your comment on to Sheila. I was a bit hesitant to bring the subject up again because I know some people aren't comfortable with the discussion, and I completely understand that. But I also thought it would be good for folks to know where the story came from and how thoroughly it had been vetted. Enjoy the weekend! Terra NP: Carly's "Playing Possum" On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:43 AM, wrote: > > Hey Tara, just wanted to say a big thanks for sharing that letter from > Sheila. FWIW I've never had any doubts about what I read in the book, about > Joni or the others. It all seemed to make sense to me. > > Happy Friday y'all! > > Bob > > NP: The Beastie Boys, "Johnny Ryall" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: My design for the fated Hejira Double Very nice work, Andrew - sure wish I could BUY it. Bob NP: Kaki King, "Falling Day" - ----- Original Message ---- From: andrew neave To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:57:44 PM Subject: My design for the fated Herjra Double Just thought that some might like to see my design for the Hejira Double on the Deviant art web site What a shame that it didnt come out ,, like THOSL there must be alternative versions of the wonderfull songs of Hejira Wouldnt be nice if special CD versions of some artists came out in this format ,, IE extra pages of Paper with the Lyrics on fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/094/d/b/Album_presentation_by_andeemac2006.jp g Maybe some will come out on the Box set ,,,,, and news of this by the way Andrew Neave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:01:40 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Thank you, Marianne! On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > From: T Peckham > Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller > > > > I find that to be very intersesting > > > > thanks T > > and sheila > > > > Marianne > > > > > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Uncomfortable though it may be, it's an important discussion. I was one of the doubters, but, after reading Sheila's email, it makes much more sense to me now. The fact that it somehow didn't sound right to me is really presumptuous of me in any case. Just because my picture of Joni's world couldn't incorporate this, doesn't mean it didn't happen - and my picture of Joni's world is obviously flawed in any case, since I knew very little about her life and was therefore most likely simply projecting my own feelings onto it. I will confess that I still can't shake that Wile E. Coyote image out of my head though. Sorry about that. Sheila's explanation makes a whole lot of sense and of course there are reasons why you wouldn't or couldn't name sources, but she has a number of them and they seem like credible ones at that. I am impressed once again by Joni's keeping quiet in public about this and at the fact that her near and dear friends protect her. There are so many cases these days of people selling information that they have (or claim to have) about public figures just to make a quick buck that it's gratifying to know that there are still people out there with a sense of honour. Thanks, Terra, for sharing that with us. ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com; JMDL Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 4:17:42 PM Subject: Re: a letter from Sheila Weller Hi Bob, Thanks! That's nice to hear from a longtime lister, and with your permission, I'll pass your comment on to Sheila. I was a bit hesitant to bring the subject up again because I know some people aren't comfortable with the discussion, and I completely understand that. But I also thought it would be good for folks to know where the story came from and how thoroughly it had been vetted. Enjoy the weekend! Terra NP: Carly's "Playing Possum" On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:43 AM, wrote: > > Hey Tara, just wanted to say a big thanks for sharing that letter from > Sheila. FWIW I've never had any doubts about what I read in the book, about > Joni or the others. It all seemed to make sense to me. > > Happy Friday y'all! > > Bob > > NP: The Beastie Boys, "Johnny Ryall" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > - -- Curiosity is my religion. David Ryan Adams Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Subject: a letter from Sheila Weller Thanks for posting. I found Sheila's comments interesting. Jim L'Hommedieu T Peckham said in part, >I was lucky to be a part of a large team who worked on Sheila's book, *Girls Like Us. *It's almost unheard of for anyone at my (low) level to have any contact with an author> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Subject: Hello Beautiful Joni-people Hi Leah, Welcome home to the JMDL. I agree with Muller (this time) about going forward into the jazz-influenced stuff, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns", "Hejira", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", and I'll add "Mingus". There's a live album / DVD from the era of these 4 albums called "Shadows and Light". I guess this era is my favorite period and "Hissing" is the top of the top, to me. Really, I thoroughly enjoy all 5 of them. You could take a short diversion into the live CD, "Miles of Aisles" too because it has some of the same folks as "Court And Spark" but I think "People's Parties" is the only song in common between them. It's typical of Joni- when she had hit songs on the radio, "Free Man In Paris" and "Help Me", she put out a live album with NEITHER song on it. A recurring theme on the JMDL is how she shot herself in the foot with decisions like that, over and over again. She's the best anyway. But the, there are many fans who think that "Blue" is the most amazing album of all of them. Certainly Ani and Jewel and Alanis and Tori and Fiona are aware of "Blue". You'll sort it out for yourself. Jim L'Hommedieu Leah Welborn said, in part, >Fiona Apple's debut album> >I was in a restaurant in San Diego about 5 years ago, eating breakfast, watching the ocean, and the music playing was (I know now) Court and Spark. So what album should I take on next?> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:32:46 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: need Joni recommendations - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anita G" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:01 AM To: "Michael Paz" Cc: "Susan Tierney McNamara" ; ; Subject: Re: need Joni recommendations > Hi Rich > > My list would start and an end with my favourite song ..... > > 1) Dawntreader (STAS). Just a sublime, ethereal guitar with a dream of > a melody and vocal floating through space and time. > Anita xx Anita, Ashara used to say that she and I were twins separated at birth. Jerry Notaro has made similar remarks. Now I think it must have been quadruplets. If I had to name a favorite Joni Mitchell song, it would probably be 'Dawntreader'. Congratulations on the anniversary! And I love the words to your song. It is a wonderful feeling knowing that special someone is at Home. Oh, and the rest of your list is great. I'm loving all the lists and reading the expressions of people's feelings about the individual songs. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:38:34 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: need Joni recommendations - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Susan Tierney McNamara" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:52 AM To: ; Subject: FW: need Joni recommendations > I can never resist a request like this, even though I'm swamped at work. > So to take a couple of minutes, I picked one song off of each album and > I'll write a quick reason why - > You know I think the people that live on the route I take from my bus to our house in the evening must think I'm crazy. I sing while I'm walking. I have done this for most of my life. I do it around the house all the time too. Anyway, I sing Joni's songs a lot. Probably 75% or more of the time. I will sing a lyric and it almost never fails to amaze me how perfect the words are and how uncannily they fit into the melodies. I am always discovering something new and marveling at Joni's genius. Sue, your list is beautiful! I love your descriptions and your choices. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:48:00 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Subject: Hello Beautiful Joni-people - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" I think > "People's Parties" is the only song in common between them. It's typical > of Joni- when she had hit songs on the radio, "Free Man In Paris" and > "Help Me", she put out a live album with NEITHER song on it. A recurring > theme on the JMDL is how she shot herself in the foot with decisions like > that, over and over again. This used to puzzle me. Why only 1 song from Court and Spark on Miles of Aisles? But then I thought about the chronological proximity of these 2 records and it makes perfect sense. Why put out a live album with a lot of songs from a record you just released? Especially if that studio album that preceded the live album turns out to be the biggest seller of your career? As it is, Miles of Aisles was a good motivator for me to explore the records that came before Court and Spark. Most of the people who bought Miles of Aisles probably already had Court and Spark. Anyway, I didn't explain it very well but that is what I think (as if thinking makes things so). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:22:21 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: FW: need Joni recommendations - -------------------------------------------------- From: Hey, you might even change your mind about > Steely Dan one day - ha! > Well I hope you aren't holding your breath on that on, Mr. Muller! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:19:19 -0400 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: long time JMDL digest subscriber hi all - just wanted to drop a note to mention that I've been on the listserve for many many yrs, a frequent contributer initially, more of a lurker recently, but when I do take the time to read the threads it's wonderful to see the intelligent, thoughtful postings about Joni's contribution to the American Songbook and zeitgeist. I'm a recent Facebook convert and as a musician, a number of my musical collegues have posted clips of vintage joni masterpieces. I'm sure some of you are on FB too, and that open dialogue is really stimulating. Thanks again for keepin on keepin on.. Dave Fairall Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:25:27 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: My design for the fated Herjra Double Very nice! But I wish I could see the whole central piece without the lyrics covering it~ > Just thought that some might like to see my design for the Hejira Double > on > the Deviant art web site > fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/094/d/b/Album_presentation_by_andeemac2006.jp > g > Andrew Neave ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #104 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe