From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #100 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 13 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 100 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Folly bars [] paciderm [roberta@nietzsche.net] Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" [Anita G ] Re: paciderm [Anita G ] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Catherine McKay ] Joni Near Misses ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Joni Near Misses [] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Dave Blackburn ] Re: paciderm ["Mark" ] Re: paciderm/Pachyderm [Catherine McKay ] RE: You're hoping it's near Folly [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: CLOUDS [Catherine McKay ] Re: CLOUDS [Stephen_Epstein@hugoboss.com] Re: CLOUDS ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:53:49 -0400 From: Subject: Folly bars Searching for new potential Joni "Heritage" sites, I found the following: There is a Folly restaurant in St. Johns, Newfoundland. A review says it is "Good for bar scene." But alas, it only opened in 2009. There is the Applause Feast and Folly Theatre in Regina, Saskatchewan. Hmmmmmm...... The name sounds a bit Joni to me. There is also a Fort Folly First Nation in New Brunswick, Canada. And you know there may be more. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:24:15 -0400 From: roberta@nietzsche.net Subject: paciderm Hey all In the line of unknown joni words here's one i don't know from 'Blue Motel': ''paciderm'' forgive spelling as i dont have a lyric sheet to check..''hanging off your boom boom paciderm'' - The easy answer is the man's swollen, capricious member - any other ideas? On another note entirely I have a vinyl copy of Mingus, which, inside, has a painting of the man himself; he is dark blue wearing a striped gown-type garment. I have never seen this painting before, anywhere? Anyone else? I am, frankly, thrilled to pieces at this find! follyly Oriole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:09:17 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" On 11 April 2010 19:31, wrote: > In terms of Recovery, service work and practicing humility on a daily basis are key to leading a happy life, free from being a slave. > > Jody > That's a really lovely thing to know, Jody. Thank you. It sounds a really a good idea even if you're not in recovery. Makes even more of these few lines from Barangrill Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:17:31 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: paciderm I have only found this Pachyderm: . thick-skinned animal, especially elephant. pachydermal, pachydermatous, pachydermous, a. pachydermia, n. elephantiasis. pachyglossal, a. thick-tongued. pachymenia, n. thickening of skin or membrane. pachymeninx, n. dura mater. pachymeter, n. thickness-measuring instrument. It spells large dick to me! Or I guess he could also be thick skinned as well, as in insensitive. However, where did Joni find that word? She must have been reading the dictionary that day/ Anita > > ''paciderm'' forgive spelling as i dont have a lyric sheet to check..''hanging > off your boom boom paciderm'' - The easy answer is the man's swollen, > capricious member - any other ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:58:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm It's been previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is that she's singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the "boom-boom pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his reference or hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or membrane." Plus, it's a very cool rhyme with "germs", no? Bob NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be Released" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Did I just make this up, or did I read it here somewhere ages ago? Couldn't "Boom-boom pachy-derm" be a name for a particular drummer's beat as well? Do we have any drummers on this list? I don't know if there's a common lingo for particular beats, or if the drummer just makes something up to help them remember a particular beat. For example, in the Phil Collins' song "Sussudio," I remember reading that the song's name relates to a particular sound of a particular drum-beat pattern. I thought it might be something other drummers also used, but just checked it out and apparently this is just a name Collins used. Here's a blurb from a website called "Songfacts," where various people were discussing the logic behind the song's name (http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1908.): "On a 1997 episode of VH1 Storytellers, Collins said: "This is one of those examples of improvising lyrics. You know, sometimes you can use the lyric, other times you're in big trouble, because what you write doesn't mean anything. So I set up this drum-machine pad, and I got some chords, and I started to sing into the microphone, and this word came out, which was "sus-sussudio." It just literally came out, at the time... that was back when I could dance, so I kind of knew I had to find something else for that word, then I went back and tried to find another word that scanned as well as "sussudio," and I couldn't find one, so I went back to "sussudio." Then I thought OK, let's give it a meaning, what is it? The lyrics are based on this schoolboy crush on this girl at school. It's happening with my daughter now, she's 8 years old and she loves this boy, but she won't tell him, like in the lyrics this boy loves her but they don't talk about it... how do they know? 'I know she likes me, I know she likes me, doesn't know my name, doesn't know I exist, but I know she likes me'... So that's what the song is about, so "sussudio" became a name for this person, and since it's become a name for a horse. My older daughter's got a horse called Sussudio, and I'm sure there are children all over the world with the name Sussudio, so I apologize for that." " ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Anita G Cc: joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:58:57 AM Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm It's been previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is that she's singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the "boom-boom pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his reference or hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or membrane." Plus, it's a very cool rhyme with "germs", no? Bob NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be Released" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:45:39 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni Near Misses We were on a trip to Palm Springs recently and during some down time I was flipping channels on TV. I rested on one where a lady was being interviewed about getting a petition signed to get a historic building saved from demolition. The interviewer, a middle-aged gentleman said, "So it's just like the song!" Surprise 1. Then another day I found a show on VH-1 or something on Easter talking about little unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." Surprise 2. Then I bought a book which I'd read a review of a year or so ago called The Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls about her unbelievable yet true childhood growing up with completely irresponsible yet very smart parents, her chronic alcoholic father, their four kids scrounging dumpsters for food, running out on rent, etc. Her father takes her into a bar and she writes: "On the jukebox, Kitty Wells was singing about married men and honky-tonk angels." Hello!? How funny that these things keep appearing. A little brightness to a rainy day in San Diego. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:16:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Joni Near Misses Did you mean Counting Crows? A cover of BYT from the Black Crowes would indeed be a surprise...but a welcome one! Victor NP: Song for Melissa unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:19:01 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Well I'm a drummer Catherine, and yes we do have onomatopoeic words for beats, especially fills. Some of the ones I use with my students to help them remember the fills are "pappodum" and "Pat Boone, Debbie Boone" and of course the final flourish of a song, "Bucket o' fish". They are common al least within a certain town or region as they are good for making fellow players chuckle so they get passed on. As for "Boom Boom Pachyderm" it would make a nice simile of a drum fill but I suspect in Joni's song it's probably the obvious lewd connotation with a humorous turn of phrase to help get it across. bucket 'o fish.... Dave On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Did I just make this up, or did I read it here somewhere ages ago? > Couldn't > "Boom-boom pachy-derm" be a name for a particular drummer's beat as > well? Do > we have any drummers on this list? I don't know if there's a common > lingo for > particular beats, or if the drummer just makes something up to help > them > remember a particular beat. > > For example, in the Phil Collins' song > "Sussudio," I remember reading that the song's name relates to a > particular > sound of a particular drum-beat pattern. I thought it might be > something other > drummers also used, but just checked it out and apparently this is > just a name > Collins used. Here's a blurb from a website called "Songfacts," > where various > people were discussing the logic behind the song's name > (http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1908.): > > "On a 1997 episode of VH1 > Storytellers, Collins said: "This is one of those examples of > improvising > lyrics. You know, sometimes you can use the lyric, other times > you're in big > trouble, because what you write doesn't mean anything. So I set up > this > drum-machine pad, and I got some chords, and I started to sing into > the > microphone, and this word came out, which was "sus-sussudio." It just > literally came out, at the time... that was back when I could dance, > so I kind > of knew I had to find something else for that word, then I went back > and tried > to find another word that scanned as well as "sussudio," and I > couldn't find > one, so I went back to "sussudio." Then I thought OK, let's give it > a meaning, > what is it? The lyrics are based on this schoolboy crush on this > girl at > school. It's happening with my daughter now, she's 8 years old and > she loves > this boy, but she won't tell him, like in the lyrics this boy loves > her but > they don't talk about it... how do > they know? 'I know she likes me, I know she likes me, doesn't know > my name, > doesn't know I exist, but I know she likes me'... So that's what the > song is > about, so "sussudio" became a name for this person, and since it's > become a > name for a horse. My older daughter's got a horse called Sussudio, > and I'm > sure there are children all over the world with the name Sussudio, > so I > apologize for that." " > > > ________________________________ > From: > "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > To: Anita G > > Cc: joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net > Sent: > Mon, April 12, 2010 9:58:57 AM > Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm > > It's been > previously discussed and I think what makes the most sense is > that she's > singing about John Guerin (and her breakup with same) and the > "boom-boom > pachyderms" are the thick drumskins. Not sure if this was his > reference or > hers. It's consistent with "n. thickening of skin or > membrane." > > Plus, it's a > very cool rhyme with "germs", no? > > Bob > > NP: Jack Johnson, "I Shall Be > Released" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The > information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it > is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or > privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message > you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message > is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and > delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views > of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! > Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite > sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:47:40 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: paciderm - -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:24 AM To: Subject: paciderm > > On another note entirely I have a vinyl copy of Mingus, which, inside, has > a > painting of the man himself; he is dark blue wearing a striped gown-type > garment. I have never seen this painting before, anywhere? Anyone else? I > am, > frankly, thrilled to pieces at this find! > > > follyly > Oriole I believe that painting is titled 'Chair in the Sky' and is one of my favorite pieces of Joni's art to be found in one of her albums. It's a very powerful painting. I think the Mingus vinyl record album cover is one of Joni's most beautiful. You just can't get the same impact from a little cd booklet insert as you get from those big cardboard sleeves. Especially the gatefolds with all the lyrics printed inside, big enough so that you don't have to use a magnifying glass to actually read them. Hejira has that wonderful picture of Joni with her crow costume on the record sleeve, wings spread and the cap of feathers accentuating those elegant cheek-bones so beautifully. And then of course there's the infamous picture of Joni's backside on the inside of 'For the Roses'. Another stunning photo of Joni standing on that rock, looking way out at the ocean... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm With Joni, as we all know and as we've recently discussed (and may still be discussing) with regard to Folly, there is rarely just ONE explanation for anything! (Pappodum sounds kind of like Pachyderm, by the way.) Shave and a haircut! ________________________________ From: Dave Blackburn To: Catherine McKay Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Anita G ; joni@smoe.org; roberta@nietzsche.net Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:19:01 AM Subject: Re: paciderm/Pachyderm Well I'm a drummer Catherine, and yes we do have onomatopoeic words for beats, especially fills. Some of the ones I use with my students to help them remember the fills are "pappodum" and "Pat Boone, Debbie Boone" and of course the final flourish of a song, "Bucket o' fish". They are common al least within a certain town or region as they are good for making fellow players chuckle so they get passed on. As for "Boom Boom Pachyderm" it would make a nice simile of a drum fill but I suspect in Joni's song it's probably the obvious lewd connotation with a humorous turn of phrase to help get it across. bucket 'o fish.... Dave __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:39:43 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly Whoa, I'm so out of the loop here. I've been singing "You're hoping it's mere folly ..." for 37 years. It makes sense it's an imaginary place like Barangrill or Utopia (which was written around the same time as Erasmus, for all you medieval literature fans, which clearly there are some here!!). :-) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:09:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly Well jonimitchell.com appears to be down again, but the lyrics on the FTR album have Humble, Pure and Folly all as proper nouns (or at least all capitalized). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Susan Tierney McNamara > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:40 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: You're hoping it's near Folly > > Whoa, I'm so out of the loop here. I've been singing "You're hoping > it's mere folly ..." for 37 years. It makes sense it's an imaginary > place like Barangrill or Utopia (which was written around the same time > as Erasmus, for all you medieval literature fans, which clearly there > are some here!!). :-) > > Take care, Sue > > > ___________________ > /___________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue Tierney || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:29:23 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Joni Near Misses Of course I did! Dang! I think I hadn't had enough coffee yet. Thanks, Victor. Lindsay - -----Original Message----- From: waytoblue@comcast.net [mailto:waytoblue@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:17 AM To: Lindsay; joni Subject: Re: Joni Near Misses Did you mean Counting Crows? A cover of BYT from the Black Crowes would indeed be a surprise...but a welcome one! Victor NP: Song for Melissa unexpected surprises in things, "Easter eggs," as in the Black Crows when you thought the album was over . and up comes their version of "Big Yellow Taxi." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CLOUDS Welcome, Sam. Clouds was also the first Joni LP I ever had - but it was about 40 years ago! :-) ________________________________ From: Sam Stone To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 7:25:40 PM Subject: CLOUDS Hi JMDLers! As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first JONI recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I ran home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special experience. Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a Joni-ac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:39:57 -0400 From: Stephen_Epstein@hugoboss.com Subject: Re: CLOUDS Hi Sam, Thanks for your post and welcome to the list! I often have "album" nights when all I spin are LP's- and yes, I too find the sound quality more superior than cds. Some months back I found a near mint LP of Don Juan's Reckless Daugther- for $9.99- which an ex girlfriend stole- it was a GREAT find too! enjoy our list best Stephen in Toronto NP: Ferraby Lionheart- the jack of hearts a GREAT recent discovery Hi JMDLers! As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first JONI recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I ran home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special experience. Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a Joni-ac. This e-mail (and/or attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. Use or disclosure of it by anyone other than a designated addressee is unauthorized. If you are not an intended recipient, please delete this e-mail from the computer on which you received it. We thank you for notifying us immediately. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:14:09 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: CLOUDS - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:58 PM To: "Sam Stone" ; Subject: Re: CLOUDS I think it was the second one I bought after Court and Spark. 40 years ago is probably close. Oh the days of vinyl records. Welcome aboard, Sam. And congratulations on your purchase. Mark in Seattle > Welcome, Sam. Clouds was also the first Joni LP I ever had - but it was > about 40 years ago! :-) > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sam Stone > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 7:25:40 PM > Subject: CLOUDS > > Hi JMDLers! > > As a new, young fan of Joni's, I am proud to say I have bought my first > JONI > recording: CLOUDS. I have everything she's ever created in MP3 on my PC, > but this is my first physical recording. I bought it at an LP & Tape > Exchange shop near my house. It was the best $3.50 I've ever spent. I > ran > home and immediately put it on my turntable. There's something so much > better about listening to vinyl rather than MP3. It's a special > experience. > > Just wanted to tell you guys of this accomplishment. I'm officially a > Joni-ac. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #100 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe