From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 11 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 098 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" ["Mark" ] joni on Studio 360 (briefly) [Deb Messling ] "River" and x-factor Denmark's version of American Idol [est86mlm@amerite] Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" [Bob Muller ] Joni Covers 123 - still live and ticking [Bob Muller ] Hoping it's near Folly ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Marcie ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Safaris to the Heart [Bob Muller ] Re: Safaris to the Heart [Mags ] Folly [mia _ ] Re: Safaris to the Heart [Dave Blackburn ] Folly: Thinkest thou that t'would be maybe something by Willy the Shake? [Walt Breen Subject: Re: Shiny Toys/Guilty Pleasure Russel, I have to agree with you there. Especially the Kevorkian Remix. Some others I like to dance to: Ladies Man (very smooth groove) and of course, Dancin' Clown. One song I never thought of as a song you could dance to until the Joni tribute show at the SOH is Snakes and Ladders. The girls did such a great dance routine to their harmonies. I wonder if anyone will ever record a cover of Shiny Toys. Mark in Sydney NP Snakes and Ladders PS The duet, Leather and Lace by Stevie Nicks and Don Henley was played on the radio at work the other day and the DJ mentioned that it was written about Stevie's relationship with Henley. Does anyone know if Joni had a relationship with Henley too? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:16:59 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" You know for all of the years I have have listened to this song, I guess I had never really thought through what the connection between the lines "Some say it's in service, they say 'humble makes pure" and "You're hoping it's near Folly cause you're headed that way for sure" was. Now it makes perfect sense when I think of Folly as a place, like Barangrill. I think you're right, Dave. Joni was playing with the word 'folly' when she wrote this. Knowing you're headed for folly, either as foolish behavior or a place, and hoping you might find humility or purity or something positive somewhere along the way. For me, Barangrill is toying with the belief that there is such a thing as this wonderfully simple, uncomplicated life and knowing that it's an illusion. Maybe some people don't have the 'crazy you get from too much choice' but 'service' and 'humble makes pure' might be just as close to Folly as the other. I also recently saw the beautiful logic of this verse from 'Hejira' shortly after I wrote my review of 'The Fiddle and the Drum: In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears There is the hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed all these years candles=hope tears=hopelessness Wish I'd thought of it before I wrote the review. It would have fit in so well. As it was, I only got halfway there. Oh well. Sometimes I'm just plain dense. Mark in Seattle Still learning about Joni's music (you know life is for learning) - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Blackburn" Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:28 PM To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" > Just to play devil's advocate here... > > After the fascinating thread a couple of years ago about the double > meanings (one literal and one more abstract) of the "humble makes pure" > line in this song I'd have to say that it's perfect;y possible, even > likely that Joni is doing the same cleverness in this line. A quick > Google search didn't turn up a town called Folly on the west coast but it > could be a small place in Canada or northern California I think. It just > seems to fit with the verbal double layer she was using in this song. > Even the title is of course a fictional "place" but one we can recognize > as a universal eatery. I don't see why Folly wouldn't qualify also. > > Dave > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:23 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >>> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >>> Subject: Re: FW: Website question >>> >>> >> referring to Folly Beach which is outside of Charleston, SC where I >>> live. >>> Any idea if that might be the case?> >>> >>> My guess is that she is using the word to mean "absurdity"...after all, >>> the next bit says "you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy". >>> >> Bob, I'd have to agree with you; for all the years I've been >> listening >> to that song, I've always thought it was "folly" (as in "foolishness"). >> >> Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:00:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni on Studio 360 (briefly) Studio 360 on NPR was just doing a bit on environmentalist musicians, and I heard Joni talking. I have no idea what she said, but I heard that familiar cadence, and then "Big Yellow Taxi." Sorry to be fuzzy, I wasn't near the radio. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:33:25 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: "River" and x-factor Denmark's version of American Idol Check out this version of River by Thomas Ring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGBYNzcWFm0 A schoolteacher in Copenhagen, he eventually won X-factor 2010. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: You'e Hoping it's near folly" I'll but that; however I don't think that Folly Beach, South Carolina was the target of the line, just doesn't make any sense. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers 123 - still live and ticking Just in case you missed the main announcement, Joni covers Volume 123 is still available for downloading and will be until April 16th. http://tinyurl.com/y9htjee Bob NP: Warren Zevon, "Play It All Night Long" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:30:46 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Safaris to the Heart Just wanted to add to the praise that's already been lavished by other listers on Safaris to the Heart. It used to be that I didn't much like to hear anybody do Joni besides Joni. Robin Alder has changed all that. Any Joni Mitchell fan will love this disk. This is high quality stuff with top drawer performances from all the musicians in Mutts of the Planet. It also features Dave Blackburn's stellar guitar and production. Great sound. Great music. And Robin is da bomb. My full review is on the 'Reviews' page of the Robin Adler and Mutts of the Planet web-site if anyone cares to read it: http://robinadler.com/ Now go to the 'Products' page and buy the cd! It is a must-have! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:47:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Hoping it's near Folly There is a "Folly" in the state of Virginia in the USA, http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Folly&state=VA&country=US&latitude=37.879398&longitude=-76.328102&geocode=CITY but I think it was a pun too. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:53:47 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Marcie http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=194 I vote for video added to the album version. Look at the words "green" and "sour". Anyway, it's nice to see it. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart And if that ain't enough to push you over the top, I don't know what is. I've been totally enjoying it all week long, in the mix here at home and at work - and yes, I have had the chance to crank it on my home system and it sounds like the band is right there in my living room - but, I do have one question, Dave. "Down To You" is conspicuous in its absence. Was it intended to be a part of this album? I know that Barnaby worked diligently to create the score, and it's one of my favorite Joni songs, and I KNOW you guys kill it, and it's a rarity as a cover....just wondering... But anyway what IS there is wonderful and like Mark said, a must-have. And congratulations, your cover of "Judgement" is the FIRST one ever. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Comfort Of Strangers" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart I love the song 'down to you' as well. I think it was my very first Joni song ever. as for Safaris to the Heart, a title which I absolutely love... Im excited and patiently (most of the time) waiting for our Robin/Dave disc to arrive....now we've been trying to work out how we could manage to make a Winnipeg Fest happen..I know, I keep going on about it from time to time...I have a great venue for the music, reasonable and all that. But it's the accomodations that has me all worked up about. Cant figure it out. Mags - --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Bob Muller wrote: From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart To: "Mark" , "joni" Received: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 4:57 PM And if that ain't enough to push you over the top, I don't know what is. I've been totally enjoying it all week long, in the mix here at home and at work - and yes, I have had the chance to crank it on my home system and it sounds like the band is right there in my living room - but, I do have one question, Dave. "Down To You" is conspicuous in its absence. Was it intended to be a part of this album? I know that Barnaby worked diligently to create the score, and it's one of my favorite Joni songs, and I KNOW you guys kill it, and it's a rarity as a cover....just wondering... But anyway what IS there is wonderful and like Mark said, a must-have. And congratulations, your cover of "Judgement" is the FIRST one ever. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Comfort Of Strangers" __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:09:38 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: Folly In the 16th century, Erasmus personified Folly in his essay "In Praise of Folly" -- his attempt to point out what was wrong with the Catholic Church. I had to read this in college. I'm not claiming that this is what Joni is referencing, but it is a great piece of writing, and I highly recommend it: http://books.google.com/books?id=0hJLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR14&lpg=PR14&dq="in+praise+ of+folly"&source=bl&ots=dCuzgUyBEY&sig=Y3uK5DuY1tAVJCrS5aLjro2rD_Q&hl=en&ei=B gTBS7rwFIH78Aap45jlCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAQ# v=onepage&q=%22in%20praise%20of%20folly%22&f=false Mia _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:26:45 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Safaris to the Heart Thanks for the endorsements Bob and Mark, and everyone else who has been writing such nice things about our contribution to the Joni stream (or maybe it's the cloud these days). Down to You would have been nice to include, but then so would Harry's House, and Shadows & Light, and Chair in the Sky and and.... Decisions had to be made to leave many things out unfortunately. I think it was either Down to You or Judgement and we went with the latter, being a rarer cover and all, and then we ended up having to omit that too for length reasons. But we did give you Jungle Line, and surely there's 5-10 points right there! FWIW Down to You was my transcription, as was Judgement. I pass them on to Barnaby for proof reading and we go over the darned things with a geek microscope. I think we can pretty much claim the Judgement recording is note for note in the piano part and odd interlude. Fun to do and fascinating to study Joni's piano writing at the atomic level. BTW we are on our way to raising $100 for JoniMitchell.com through sales of Safaris. Keep em coming. Dave On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > besides Joni. Robin Alder has changed all that.> > > And if that ain't enough to push you over the top, I don't know what > is. I've been totally enjoying it all week long, in the mix here at > home and at work - and yes, I have had the chance to crank it on my > home system and it sounds like the band is right there in my living > room - but, I do have one question, Dave. "Down To You" is > conspicuous in its absence. Was it intended to be a part of this > album? I know that Barnaby worked diligently to create the score, > and it's one of my favorite Joni songs, and I KNOW you guys kill it, > and it's a rarity as a cover....just wondering... > > But anyway what IS there is wonderful and like Mark said, a must- > have. And congratulations, your cover of "Judgement" is the FIRST > one ever. > > Bob > > NP: Beth Orton, "Comfort Of Strangers" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:41:34 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: Folly: Thinkest thou that t'would be maybe something by Willy the Shake? Hi all, The idea of "heading towards folly" sounds vaguely Shakespearean to me. Might be worth a search. I'm a technofebe, but I'll give it a try google-wise, and failing any results, I'll resort to the artifacts that surround me in my bedroom/library called "books". Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:03:54 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: Two waitresses reading all Shakespeare's folly (or headed that way for sure) (still marginally jc, I guess) Hi gang, Did you know that "folly" occurs in 80+ speeches and sonnets in Shakespeare? Neither did I until I went to Open Source Shakespeare. Anyhoo, nothing that quite matched "near folly" or "heading to folly" or the like, but I was intrigued with the following: Heigh-ho! sing heigh-ho! unto the green holly. Most friendship is feigning, most loving mere folly. As You Like It -- Duke Though age from folly could not give me freedom, It does from childishness Antony and Cleopatra -- Cleopatra O, thou didst then never love so heartily! If thou rememb'rest not the slightest folly That ever love did make thee run into, Thou hast not lov'd; As You Like It -- Silvius But all's brave that youth mounts and folly guides As You Like It -- Celia [F]olly, in wisdom hatch'd, Hath wisdom's warrant and the help of school And wit's own grace to grace a learned fool. Love’s Labours Lost -- Princess of France Besides, the knave is handsome, young, and hath all those requisites in him that folly and green minds look after: a pestilent complete knave; and the woman hath found him already. Othello -- Othello This is a practise As full of labour as a wise man's art For folly that he wisely shows is fit; But wise men, folly-fall'n, quite taint their wit. Twelth Night -- Viola Lord, Lord! to see what folly reigns in us! Two Gentlemen from Verona -- Lucetta How love makes young men thrall and old men dote; How love is wise in folly, foolish-witty: Venus and Adonis 　 Cheers, Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, “Jericho”, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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