From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 7 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 094 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) [Paul Castle ] Re: suicide attempt? ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) [Catherine McKa] Re: Hello JMDL [Anita G ] Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) ["Randy Remote"] Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) [Anita G ] Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) [Dave Blackburn] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:29:54 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) On 30 March 2010 03:55, Les Irvin wrote: > OK techies... give Greg a hand. > > -----Original Message----- > In England, the early 70's Joni did a concert (which I wasn't there of course, but on video it was great sounding. I have always been curious about something. What kind of mic & stand (for voice and guitar) was used with the bent over goose neck for both. Any help with this quest with be greatly appreciated .. Thank you, Greg > > Name: Greg Otash > email: greg849@gmail.com > I've managed to find two forum threads about this - one started by Dave Blackburn (it has to be, surely?) back in May 2009 on gearslutz's 'So much gear, so little time' forum @ http://bit.ly/cB7USQ and another @ http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/322812/0/ Looks like the consensus of opinion is that it was an AKG C29A with CK5 (metal windshield) capsule on a V28A extension tube. (techie enough for you, Les?) You can download the technical details from the AKG archive site here http://bit.ly/dAMFr4 > The C29A comprises the V28A microphone amplifier > of the C28A, a condenser capsule and the VR29 > extension tube (length 1'1" = 33cm). The C30A is > identical but the extension tube (VR30) has a length > of 3' 4" (100cm). Here's a photo of the C29A (without the CK5 metal windshield) - http://bit.ly/9vb1mb For me, the fun bit in doing this research was discovering the different YouTube videos where this mic had been used - In addition to Joni's 1970 BBC Concert examples - ie Cactus Tree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNF32bKed0 Big Yellow Taxi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNJTyFy9Io California http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE For Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PljZrArrb3k Both Sides Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrEqIpi6sg I also found.. Aretha Franklin (Don't Play That Song For Me) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAa8vwmeewU Neil Young (Out On The Weekend and Old Man) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfRFHWwfsow Judee Sill - The Kiss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feFedDW_iQ Crosby & Nash - Lee Shore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdNO9Qa5rzI followed by Traction In The Rain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD42yG5Hc8c (looks like they're using AKG C30A - ie with the longer VR30 extension tube) Richard & Linda Thompson - A Heart Needs A Home http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqViJyweNV0 John Martyn - May You Never http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOi_wxypeGc Beatles - Hey Jude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3ovfZXO5Q Elton John - Border Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnPgIZrgHJ8 Joan Baez - It Ain't Me Babe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADCKIT_Kbw Who knows, there may be more! Very best to all PaulC NW Crosby & Nash - Lee Shore ("this is your Captain spooking" - fab!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 06:21:52 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Yes that's me Paul trying to sleuth Greg Otash's question online. I too have wondered what that ubiquitous BBC mic was that I saw everyone use on Top of the Pops. You could add Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale" from 1967 to your Youtube collection. I guess they didn't really have boom mic stands back then so the "swan neck" and various extension tube add-ons had to be used depending on if the player was seated at a keyboard or standing playing guitar. Now my secret is out...I have been on Gearslutz.com since May 2009! Actually it's a brilliant place to learn the most obscure audio geek stuff and ask opinions about equipment. Only more exciting than watching paint dry if you're in the trade I guess.... Dave On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > I've managed to find two forum threads about this - > one started by Dave Blackburn (it has to be, surely?) > back in May 2009 on gearslutz's 'So much gear, so little > time' forum @ http://bit.ly/cB7USQ and another @ > http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/322812/0/ > > Looks like the consensus of opinion is that it was an > AKG C29A with CK5 (metal windshield) capsule on a > V28A extension tube. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:42:17 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Seems like you're 'coming out', Dave. However, it's worth remembering that your inner obscure audio geek seems to have assisted you in creating great music, Anita > Actually it's a brilliant place to learn the most obscure audio geek stuff > and ask opinions about equipment. Only more exciting than watching paint dry > if you're in the trade I guess.... > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:51:05 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: suicide attempt? First of all, my name is mack, not mark. I clearly stated that was my opinion. Obviously yours is different. Discuss away, makes no difference to me. I, however; don't find any respect in a discussion about someone's else's supposed suicide attempt. No one else's business. To me, it's simply gossip. And just exactly who are you trying to convince the purported attempt never occurred. This list doesn't reach CNN. It either did or it didn't occur but that is Joni's business. Furthermore, if Joni 'hates' the press inventing and distorting parts of her life I can only find she would hate it being discussed here or anywhere else as well. Again, my opinion. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:02:38 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: suicide attempt? And it just dawned on me that here I am discussing it as well. No more from me on that. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Proving that there's something to learn from just about anything, no matter how obscure it may seem to those of us who are not technicallyl inclined, I checked out some of the youtube videos and learned something I never knew before: that Aretha Franklin plays piano, and very well too. This may not be news to many of you but, after all these years, I learned something new today watching the young Aretha on the telly. Also enjoyed Judee Sill (am glad to know these clips have survived) and am checking out others when I get a minute or two. To: jgoldrick@judsonu.edu; joni@smoe.org Cc: Les Irvin Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 5:29:54 AM Subject: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Judee Sill - The Kiss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feFedDW_iQ [...] For me, the fun bit in doing this research was discovering the different YouTube videos where this mic had been used - In addition to Joni's 1970 BBC Concert examples - ie Cactus Tree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNF32bKed0 Big Yellow Taxi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzNJTyFy9Io California http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE For Free http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PljZrArrb3k Both Sides Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcrEqIpi6sg I also found.. Aretha Franklin (Don't Play That Song For Me) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAa8vwmeewU ... __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:34:00 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Hello JMDL My favourite on DJRD (which like Catherine, I though of reckless as wreckless so 'twould be DJWD) is 'Otis and Marlena' . II suppose that makes it OAM (or perhaps OaM). Kinda Buddhist, don't you think? With it's chilling, scarily prophetic line 'While Muslims stick up Washington', OAM is a totally brilliant piece of life observed. I didn't really get DJRD album at the time, but it certainly has made a mark with me these days. Of course, there's also the line in Otis and Marlena which says 'That girl is travel drained' which, after your story of how you came to Joni's music would suit you, Robin. OAM is an analysis that, for me, stands alone as a poem. Even more to learn and practice :~) Anita x . > On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > . And yet, it's a cinch compared to "Don Juan's reckless >> daughter" (I always want to say "wreckless" - Don Juan's trainwreck >> of a daughter - heh-heh.) Trying to memorize those lyrics and get >> them out quickly, while singing, continues to be a challenge. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:44:35 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Great sleuthing, Paul! One tiny nit-pick; the term "capsule" refers to the mic element itself (a condenser in this case, apparently this mic has interchangeable capsules), and not the windscreen. RR From: "Paul Castle" > Looks like the consensus of opinion is that it was an > AKG C29A with CK5 (metal windshield) capsule on a > V28A extension tube. >> The C29A comprises the V28A microphone amplifier >> of the C28A, a condenser capsule and the VR29 >> extension tube (length 1'1" = 33cm). The C30A is >> identical but the extension tube (VR30) has a length >> of 3' 4" (100cm). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:30:48 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Honestly, I feel such a GIRL! When I was young and could play reasonably well (when girlies on guitar playing licks were rare), I remember young men asking me questions about whether or not I had humbuckers on my guitar. I would just smile and think they were talking about sweets. I now know an XLR from a standard jack, but goodness I am humbled by you techies. I really enjoy you working this out but whatever is the 'windscreen' here? Is it what I might call a pop shield? Anita On 6 April 2010 18:44, Randy Remote wrote: > Great sleuthing, Paul! One tiny nit-pick; the term "capsule" > refers to the mic element itself (a condenser in this case, apparently this > mic has interchangeable capsules), and not > the windscreen. > RR > > From: "Paul Castle" >> >> Looks like the consensus of opinion is that it was an >> AKG C29A with CK5 (metal windshield) capsule on a >> V28A extension tube. > >>> The C29A comprises the V28A microphone amplifier >>> of the C28A, a condenser capsule and the VR29 >>> extension tube (length 1'1" = 33cm). The C30A is >>> identical but the extension tube (VR30) has a length >>> of 3' 4" (100cm). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:47:46 -0400 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: Blue on Blue video Have you guys seen this? Adorable!!! :) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26il7_joni-mitchell-blue-on-blue-canada-1_m usic ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:02:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: BBC Concert Microphone (Re: FW: Message from website) Well Anita, frankly, you're not missing much. Gear geek talk consists of a lot of emperor's new clothes mostly. For example you can plough through reams of pages discussing the tonal properties of different guitar cable when every guitarist knows your choice of pick affects your tone 100x more. That sort of thing. But it is fun to learn about how certain sounds we grew up with were captured. Retro and lo-fi are in these days and it's useful to learn about how to grease up the sound now that we've got all this damn pristine digital audio! I spent quite a bit of time trying to make Safaris to the Heart as "Analog Tape" sounding as possible, ironically, and deliberately left in some slop in the tracks, having grown tired lately of "perfected" records. Done right, I think a record has more "heart" that way and certainly sounds more like players actually playing, which on our record was the case anyway. Dave On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Anita G wrote: > Honestly, I feel such a GIRL! When I was young and could play > reasonably well (when girlies on guitar playing licks were rare), I > remember young men asking me questions about whether or not I had > humbuckers on my guitar. I would just smile and think they were > talking about sweets. > > I now know an XLR from a standard jack, but goodness I am humbled by > you techies. I really enjoy you working this out but whatever is the > 'windscreen' here? Is it what I might call a pop shield? > Anita > > On 6 April 2010 18:44, Randy Remote wrote: >> Great sleuthing, Paul! One tiny nit-pick; the term "capsule" >> refers to the mic element itself (a condenser in this case, >> apparently this >> mic has interchangeable capsules), and not >> the windscreen. >> RR >> >> From: "Paul Castle" >>> >>> Looks like the consensus of opinion is that it was an >>> AKG C29A with CK5 (metal windshield) capsule on a >>> V28A extension tube. >> >>>> The C29A comprises the V28A microphone amplifier >>>> of the C28A, a condenser capsule and the VR29 >>>> extension tube (length 1'1" = 33cm). The C30A is >>>> identical but the extension tube (VR30) has a length >>>> of 3' 4" (100cm). ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #94 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe