From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 2 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 089 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: suicide attempt? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: suicide attempt? ["Zooby" ] Shakespeare and Mitchell [Laura Stanley ] Re: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari [Dave Blackburn ] Re: suicide attempt? ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: suicide attempt? [Anita G ] Re: suicide attempt? [Michael Flaherty ] RE: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari [Walt Breen Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I also always perceived Joni herself as the prisoner of the white lines, so that makes three of us. As for her suicide attempt I remember we had this discussion a couple of years ago, when Sheila Weller's book was published. The book itself caused both positive and negative reviews here. I thought (and still think) it to be entertaining gossig and not much more. The suicide story was told by "a confidante", a source that only Weller can check. "Car on the hill" is said to be processing this experience of Joni's. To me, Car on the hill sounds much less dramatic. Joni is being stood up, that's all. There is no hint at anyting so hurtful that she would kill herself. So to me, the suicide story does not seem likely at all. I am not saying that I don't believe Joni could do such a thing but I think it would take a lot more than having been stood up (as in the song) or having had a break-up with a lover. Joni thinks too much of herself for that, which is a good thing. Her depression from the time of Blue was over by then, she had returned from solitude and produced Court and Spark. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Mark" ; "Gina Del Piero" ; Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Re: suicide attempt? > I've always thought the prisoner of the white lines was Joni too. So maybe > we're both wrong. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark > To: Gina Del Piero ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 9:24:16 PM > Subject: Re: suicide attempt? > > Hi Gina, > > Interesting find. But what source does this article quote? Sheila > Weller's book. And what source or sources does Sheila Weller give for > this story? To be fair, I haven't read the book, but I haven't read or > heard anywhere that Weller does say where she got this story. > > And another thing. This part of the article kind of made me even more > skeptical. At least of Roger Friedman's accuracy: > > If you're interested in more trivia, Weller picks up on a column item I > reported here back on April 12, 2002: that the song "Coyote" was an ode to > another of Mitchell's ex-lovers, playwright Sam Shepard. He's referred to > in the lyrics as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." > > Who is referred to as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway."? I > always assumed that Joni was referring to herself here. "You (the Coyote) > just picked up a hitcher (Joni), a prisoner of the white lines on the > freeway" (referring back to the hitcher, that is to Joni). > > Unless I've been mis-reading this one for 33 or so years. Which is > entirely possible. I still have Joni epiphanies from time to time when a > lyric will suddenly click in my head in an entirely new way. > > Mark in Seattle > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to > New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:54:44 +0000 From: "Zooby" Subject: Re: suicide attempt? Hmmmm I dunno. I can only respond very quickly as I'm not on the internet but I thought I'd pipe up. If FTR was all about running away and seeking solitude but still wanting to find that somebody C&S has an underlying theme of depression and having sought professional help and how ineffective it was (see Trouble Child & Twisted) I can certainly believe that in the 'fallow' year of 73 she was really seeking to heal and not able to write much about the experience immediately. I mean I'd love to know the chronology of events. Did she tour much in 73? Was this her period of "cancelling more gigs than she played"? C&S is a happy sounding album but its joyful at overcoming great pain. It's all in the conjecture... Much Joni Zooby Sent using BlackBerry. from Orange - -----Original Message----- From: "Marion Leffler" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:16:32 To: Catherine McKay; Mark; Gina Del Piero; Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I also always perceived Joni herself as the prisoner of the white lines, so that makes three of us. As for her suicide attempt I remember we had this discussion a couple of years ago, when Sheila Weller's book was published. The book itself caused both positive and negative reviews here. I thought (and still think) it to be entertaining gossig and not much more. The suicide story was told by "a confidante", a source that only Weller can check. "Car on the hill" is said to be processing this experience of Joni's. To me, Car on the hill sounds much less dramatic. Joni is being stood up, that's all. There is no hint at anyting so hurtful that she would kill herself. So to me, the suicide story does not seem likely at all. I am not saying that I don't believe Joni could do such a thing but I think it would take a lot more than having been stood up (as in the song) or having had a break-up with a lover. Joni thinks too much of herself for that, which is a good thing. Her depression from the time of Blue was over by then, she had returned from solitude and produced Court and Spark. Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Mark" ; "Gina Del Piero" ; Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Re: suicide attempt? > I've always thought the prisoner of the white lines was Joni too. So maybe > we're both wrong. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark > To: Gina Del Piero ; joni@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 9:24:16 PM > Subject: Re: suicide attempt? > > Hi Gina, > > Interesting find. But what source does this article quote? Sheila > Weller's book. And what source or sources does Sheila Weller give for > this story? To be fair, I haven't read the book, but I haven't read or > heard anywhere that Weller does say where she got this story. > > And another thing. This part of the article kind of made me even more > skeptical. At least of Roger Friedman's accuracy: > > If you're interested in more trivia, Weller picks up on a column item I > reported here back on April 12, 2002: that the song "Coyote" was an ode to > another of Mitchell's ex-lovers, playwright Sam Shepard. He's referred to > in the lyrics as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." > > Who is referred to as "a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway."? I > always assumed that Joni was referring to herself here. "You (the Coyote) > just picked up a hitcher (Joni), a prisoner of the white lines on the > freeway" (referring back to the hitcher, that is to Joni). > > Unless I've been mis-reading this one for 33 or so years. Which is > entirely possible. I still have Joni epiphanies from time to time when a > lyric will suddenly click in my head in an entirely new way. > > Mark in Seattle > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the > boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to > New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 04:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Shakespeare and Mitchell Hi Ya'll, My 14 year old son who is studying Shakespeare in high school asked me yesterday on the drive home from school, "hey mom you know that line in that Joni song that talks about a ruby in a black man's ear? Did Joni get that from Shakespeare?" I told him her mom read Shakespeare to her so maybe so. He sent me the verse out of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet below he was referring to. I wonder how much Joni is in his head, and what's to become of this Joni indocrtination of my children? Also, where is our dear Julius with the ruby in his ear? Love, Laura S. - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Justin Stanley To: "sillyseabird@yahoo.com" Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 3:36:57 PM Subject: Shakespeare and Mitchell Oh, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! >Her beauty hangs upon the cheek of night >As a rich jewel in an Ethiop's ear. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:15:32 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari To which I hope you told her "Amelia....It was just a false alarm". On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > A senior moment: As Jungle Line was closing, I was thinking damn, > now I have > to wake Amelia (no reflection on the music, tummy rubs have this > effect on > her) so I can flip the record over to side two. Just for a moment. > Then I > giggled, which woke her up anyway. > > > Again, kudos, > > > > Walt "Little" Breen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:06:46 -0600 From: "Paul Ingles" Subject: Last Day For Peace Guitar Raffle Thanks to those of you who've bought raffle tickets to maybe win this amazing autographed guitar. Not Joni (unfortunately) but many Joni devotees are featured. Shawn Colvin, Lucy Kaplansky, Janis Ian, Bonnie Raitt, Lyle Lovett, John Hiatt, Taj Mahal, Roberta Flack, Greg Brown, Brandi Carlile and Leo Kottke have all signed. Hoping to get Arlo Guthrie this Saturday when we draw our winner. Proceeds go to Peace Talks Radio. Only $20 for a ticket with a 1 in 20 chance to win some prize. Deadline Friday at noon! Check it out at www.peacetalksradio.com. Thanks JMDL! Paul Ingles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:21:19 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: suicide attempt? I have to wonder if a person asking a question about a suicide attempt is any more inappropriate or hurtful than a group of people discussing it? mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:38:11 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: suicide attempt? On 1 April 2010 16:21, mack watson-bush wrote: > I have to wonder if a person asking a question about a suicide attempt is > any more inappropriate or hurtful than a group of people discussing it? > > mack I imagine it's about intention. Is the intention to understand further or does the intention have some other motive? This thread seems about people exploring Joni's life in relation to her state of mind, the music it produced and trying to understand where and what might have been happening. The people in this thread seem to be sharing ideas and possibilities. At least, that's what it seems like to me. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: suicide attempt? While I'm not personally all that interested in this thread, it doesn't bother me as I see it as very different than saying you want to ask Joni why she doesn't kill herself. If the original question had been "Is it true that Joni attempted suicide?" or "Does anyone know why Joni committed suicide?" I doubt that any one would have objected much (if at all). Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:22:52 -0600 From: Walt Breen Subject: RE: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari LOL. I was hoping someone would say that Walt "Little" Breen Let the walls come tumbling down Let them fall right on the ground Let all the dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me (Joni Mitchell, Jericho, 1974) Visit my websites: www.learninginsights.info and www.booksbywalt.com > From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net > To: joni@smoe.org; littlebreen@live.com > Subject: Re: Me & The Mutt of My Planet On Safari > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:15:32 -0700 > > To which I hope you told her "Amelia....It was just a false alarm". > > > > On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > > A senior moment: As Jungle Line was closing, I was thinking damn, > > now I have > > to wake Amelia (no reflection on the music, tummy rubs have this > > effect on > > her) so I can flip the record over to side two. Just for a moment. > > Then I > > giggled, which woke her up anyway. > > > > > > Again, kudos, > > > > > > > > Walt "Little" Breen > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #89 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe