From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #52 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 24 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 052 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: No Joni in Seattle [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Lyric dilemma!!! [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: No Joni in Seattle [Michael Paz ] jm.com twittering [Paul Castle ] Re: jm.com twittering [Corey Blake ] Re: jm.com twittering [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Lyric dilemma!!! [Catherine McKay ] RE: Lyric dilemma!!! [Susan Tierney McNamara ] A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list [Steve Dulson Subject: Re: No Joni in Seattle Do we know who Joni's management is now that she's not with Macklam/ Feldman? On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:30:20 -0700 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: No Joni in Seattle > > Alberta Ballet has been informed by Ms. Mitchell's business manager > that she > will be unable to attend the performance of Joni Mitchell's The > Fiddle and > The Drum on February 23, 2010 in Seattle due to poor health. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:52:52 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:37 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I've listened to it a bunch of times and am having trouble hearing the words in the second part of the first verse. I tried to do this without paying attention to your words, so I wouldn't be influenced. ;-) Here's what I hear, with alternate possibilities. I'm completely with you on the first three lines of the first verse. I've written what I heard for the next three lines, even after listening a few times, but they don't make a lot of sense. I listened a few times more, after reading your words, and the only line I still can't really hear is the last line of the first verse, but what I hear doesn't make sense and I don't think Joni would write something like that. Here are the complete lyrics as I hear them. I'd love to hear what others think: Now comes the morning Wet with the kiss of evening Shadows fade sulking away Some shine for dreaming (this doesn't make sense, so I think "Sunshine for dreaming" is probably it - on a 5th listen, that is what I hear) Like with magic to believe in (once again, this doesn't make much sense, and it's sloppy writing, so it's probably wrong! After another few listens, I hear what you hear) Spectrums and rainbows ending (or and days) (why would spectrums and rainbows end if the sun is shining? and otherwise, why would you have a list of "spectrums and rainbows and days" - it's sloppy.)(Even after listening a bunch of times, I can't hear this properly, but I'd bet you're right.) I never saw sky so free Never so blue Morning with mystic pageantry Unveils a time for sharing love with you Come to the sunshine Sharing the quiet of knowing No need for telling you sometimes When all the answers are so plainly showing Teach me to tell you All the feelings I've been learning Tell me to teach you my heart New words are crazy Old love words keep returning All words seem wrong from the start So I will tell you with my eyes Say with a kiss Silence that asks no ifs or whys And needs no answer on a day like this Come to the sunshine Sharing the quiet of knowing No need for telling you sometimes When all the answers are so plainly showing ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 6:12:06 PM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Thanks for that Catherine, There are even more mistakes in the first verse too - right words between **, wrong words in brackets: Now comes the morning Wet with the kiss of *evening* [midnight] Shadows *fade sulking away* [stayed sulking in the way] Sunshine for dreaming Blackest magic to believe in Spectrums *bend rainbows and rays* [and rainbows and days] ... Discussion? Les, I will forward you with corrections once the group conscience has agreed! :) ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:41 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I just listened to it (Couriers Folk Club appearance) and I hear what you hear, Sue. For anyone that doesn't have this and would like to give it a listen, here you go: https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNBYlJSSU9veE0wTVE9PQ ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 4:04:57 PM Subject: Lyric dilemma!!! I'd like to challenge a lyric from an old song. On JM.com the lyrics to Come to the Sunshine read like this in the second verse, last two lines: Silence that asks and looks so wise And needs no answer on a day like this I say, that makes no sense, and what she is really singing is: Silence that asks no ifs or whys And needs no answer on a day like this Thanks to HappyTheMan for jogging my brain on this one!!! :) Take care, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue Tierney || || sem8@cornell.edu> || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer(r) 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:11:38 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: No Joni in Seattle She is still listed on their website. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Do we know who Joni's management is now that she's not with Macklam/ Feldman? On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:30:20 -0700 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: No Joni in Seattle > > Alberta Ballet has been informed by Ms. Mitchell's business manager > that she > will be unable to attend the performance of Joni Mitchell's The > Fiddle and > The Drum on February 23, 2010 in Seattle due to poor health. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:46:50 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: jm.com twittering Really pleased to see some tweets starting to come through at http://twitter.com/JoniMitchellcom - just seen a nice plug for "the Bobster's Covers Project". Hope you (is that Les?) will tweet a link for the JMDL when that's back up and running (?) very best to all PaulC http://twitter.com/paulcastlemusic NP 'So Goes The Night' by Krista Detor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:55:55 -0800 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: jm.com twittering Cool, thanks for passing the word. Am now following. @coreyblake in case anyone else here is on Twitter. - -Corey On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > Really pleased to see some tweets starting to come > through at http://twitter.com/JoniMitchellcom - just > seen a nice plug for "the Bobster's Covers Project". > > Hope you (is that Les?) will tweet a link for the > JMDL when that's back up and running (?) > > very best to all > PaulC > http://twitter.com/paulcastlemusic > > NP 'So Goes The Night' by Krista Detor > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.CoreyBlake.com - a whole lot of me Do you Dig Comics? http://www.digcomics.com Mailing List - http://coreyblake.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:04:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jm.com twittering I've just been following it on Face Book. Jimmy In a message dated 2/23/2010 3:03:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, coreyblake@gmail.com writes: > Cool, thanks for passing the word. Am now following. > > @coreyblake in case anyone else here is on Twitter. > > -Corey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I hope at least one other person chimes in on this. I have to say, i'm enjoying this. It makes me realize how carefully structured many of Joni's early songs were. I've listened to the song a bunch more times and still have difficulty making out that one line with spectrums and rainbows. However, I, for one, will accept your interpretation because it makes a lot of sense and fits with the logic of the song. I have this song stuck in my mind now, but that's OK. It's a very pretty song and I love the vocal range too. Joni gets to sing what I think are some true alto notes, along with higher ones (maybe they're soprano, maybe mezzo, what do I know?) Also, if the rainbow/spectrum is formed from white light passing through the prism, it's a nice job of matching that (light/day) with the black-is-magic (black is also the absence of colour and the colour of night) and it fits in with a lot of other "opposites" in the song (old words vs new words vs silence and so on.) Cool song. It's a really hippy song (or is it hippie? sigh - they both look wrong to me), a really girly song, but not out of date, sez I. I have to admit, I've seen what I figured were some incorrect lyrics on the site (haven't checked recently, so maybe they've been corrected), but I kept forgetting to mention them. That's what happens when you multi-task, I guess - nothing gets done! ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 9:52:52 AM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:17:15 -0500 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Tell me about multi-tasking. I'm trying to research a hedge fund manager, think about rainbows and spectrums and update my knitting blog at the same time (while my boss replies to my IChing reading on my facebook!) How does a girl get anything done! :) OK, I won't reply to this thread till a third or fourth party chimes in!! Loveyas, Sue From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:57 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lyric dilemma!!! I hope at least one other person chimes in on this. I have to say, i'm enjoying this. It makes me realize how carefully structured many of Joni's early songs were. I've listened to the song a bunch more times and still have difficulty making out that one line with spectrums and rainbows. However, I, for one, will accept your interpretation because it makes a lot of sense and fits with the logic of the song. I have this song stuck in my mind now, but that's OK. It's a very pretty song and I love the vocal range too. Joni gets to sing what I think are some true alto notes, along with higher ones (maybe they're soprano, maybe mezzo, what do I know?) Also, if the rainbow/spectrum is formed from white light passing through the prism, it's a nice job of matching that (light/day) with the black-is-magic (black is also the absence of colour and the colour of night) and it fits in with a lot of other "opposites" in the song (old words vs new words vs silence and so on.) Cool song. It's a really hippy song (or is it hippie? sigh - they both look wrong to me), a really girly song, but not out of date, sez I. I have to admit, I've seen what I figured were some incorrect lyrics on the site (haven't checked recently, so maybe they've been corrected), but I kept forgetting to mention them. That's what happens when you multi-task, I guess - - nothing gets done! ________________________________ From: Susan Tierney McNamara To: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 9:52:52 AM Subject: RE: Lyric dilemma!!! Joni, in my opinion, is never illogical or sloppy, so going on that premise I looked up the word spectrum in the dictionary: an array of entities, as light waves or particles, ordered in accordance with the magnitudes of a common physical property,as wavelength or mass: often the band of colors produced when sunlight is passed through a prism, comprising red, orange,yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Spectrums bend rays through prisms to make rainbows ... but another Joni device is to match letter sounds from other lines: Sunshine for dreaming Black is magic to believe in (black is usually matched with magic) Spectrums bend rainbows and days (days would then match with dreaming, where rays wouldn't) I like that correction but would love to hear feedback. Sue ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:56:30 -0500 From: Steve Dulson Subject: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:39:16 -0500 From: "Joel Mabus" Subject: [Folk-Alliance] Loring Janes RIP To: "Folk Alliance Traditional listserv" , "Folk Alliance listserv" , "farmfolk list" Just a word here to say Loring Janes passed away this morning at 7 AM at his home in Comstock MI. I am not nearly qualified to script an adequate bio here. Some of you knew Loring. He was a crusty character who had a hand in the trad world of blues and a hand in the making of the folk scene of the early 60s. He toured as sideman for folks like Jim Post and Chuck Mitchell in the old days. The story goes he was there when Chuck first met wife-to-be Joni, who was playing guitar at a small folk club in Detroit. Chuck said "nice legs" and Loring said "nice left hand!" Loring used to tell the story of gigging in Greenwich Village and walking over to say hi to his friend Buffy Ste. Marie who was sitting at a table with some short haired guy picking on a banjo. Turns out the guy was Elvis Presley just back from his army tour of Germany. He also studied guitar with Rev Gary Davis. It was the Rev. Davis who married Loring and his wife. Most of us here in Michigan knew Loring in his life after he quit the road and settled in Kalamazoo. He helped found the K'zoo Folklife Organization, where he ran sound pretty much every gig. (Ran sound several times for the FARM conference when held in West Michigan) Also was a good hand at repairing old guitars when you could talk him into it. And he was a heck of a picker and raconteur. Final arrangements will be handled by Langeland Funeral Home in Kalamazoo, MI. Joel Mabus ___________________________ email to: joel.mabus@pobox.com website: http://joelmabus.com/ *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: ann jensen Subject: Fw: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list there's a few more anedotes about joni/open tuning/nice legs here fyi... http://www.bonniejocampbell.com/loring.html > From: Steve Dulson > Subject: A very tiny Joni mention from the Folk Alliance list > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 6:56 PM > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:39:16 -0500 > > From: "Joel Mabus" > Subject: [Folk-Alliance] Loring Janes RIP > To: "Folk Alliance Traditional listserv" , > "Folk Alliance listserv" , > "farmfolk list" > > Just a word here to say Loring Janes passed away this > morning at 7 AM at his home in Comstock MI. > > I am not nearly qualified to script an adequate bio > here. Some of you knew > Loring. He was a crusty character who had a hand in > the trad world of blues > and a hand in the making of the folk scene of the early > 60s. He toured as > sideman for folks like Jim Post and Chuck Mitchell in the > old days. The story > goes he was there when Chuck first met wife-to-be Joni, who > was playing guitar > at a small folk club in Detroit. Chuck said "nice > legs" and Loring said "nice left hand!" > > Loring used to tell the story of gigging in Greenwich > Village and walking over > to say hi to his friend Buffy Ste. Marie who was sitting at > a table with some > short haired guy picking on a banjo. Turns out the > guy was Elvis Presley just > back from his army tour of Germany. > > He also studied guitar with Rev Gary Davis. It was > the Rev. Davis who married Loring and his wife. > > Most of us here in Michigan knew Loring in his life after > he quit the road and > settled in Kalamazoo. He helped found the K'zoo > Folklife Organization, where > he ran sound pretty much every gig. (Ran sound several > times for the FARM > conference when held in West Michigan) Also was a good hand > at repairing old > guitars when you could talk him into it. And he was a > heck of a picker and raconteur. > > Final arrangements will be handled by Langeland Funeral > Home in Kalamazoo, MI. > > Joel Mabus > ___________________________ > email to: joel.mabus@pobox.com > website: http://joelmabus.com/ > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > tinkersown@ca.rr.com > > "Folk Alliance Region - West" > www.far-west.org ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #52 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe