From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 16 2010 Volume 2010 : Number 044 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni lesson! [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Joni lesson! [Danilo Monno ] RE: BSN Olympic video [Danilo Monno ] Re: "I really don't know life at all" ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni Lesson! [Laura Stanley ] BSN Olympic video [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #43 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Joni lesson!2 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Both Sides Now: Ambivalence & The more you know... [Walt Breen ] Ruh-Roh! It's Retro! Joni Covers, Volume 47 [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:16:14 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni lesson! Ciao Pamela! What a unique opportunity. Like Kate asked, I would love to know which songs you chose and why. I'm also interested in what your focus was. Are these students interested in the music or are they also interested in the construction of lyrics. Either way, Joni is a great choice. I am curious how Italian students would understand the sentiment in Joni's lyrics. I imagine you translated them but, did you translate the words or did you explain the meaning that Joni was trying to express? Mark in Sydney NP Vanishing Point - New Order ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:48:53 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: Joni lesson! I would've loved to be there too! What an amazing opportunity you had to spread the "word"! I am so curious to know which songs you chose and why. Thank you for sharing, your words delight me :o) Hugs Danilo > From: pamela1983@interfree.it > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni lesson! > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:42:12 +0100 > > Hi to everyone! I don't write too much but I always receive your beautiful > emails with enormous pleasure... > > My boyfriend is a musician, and he's the director of a music school (modern > music). He keeps lessons of Rock Music History, and then he asked me to do a > whole lesson about Joni! > I did my lessons yesterday and today and I'm so happy! I managed to do what I > wanted to do....to enthuse all the students and incite them to study in deep > the music of our Joni. > Here most of people have only heard the name of Joni Mitchell, and a few of > them have listened something...it's a crime!!! So I caught this opportunity to > "Carry the Word" of Joni and I tried to > transmit all the love I have for her. I've reached my purpose because after > the lesson many students came and asked me something, and they where very > interested in deepen the knowledge of > her. They all liked what they have heard. It has been difficult for me to tell > who is Joni Mitchell in 40 minutes, I had to do a selection of the most > important things to say and I've choosed only 5 > songs to make them listen to. They were surprised of what they were > hearing...I'm very, very happy about this. > > I have a dream....I'd like to see her once in my life.... but I think that is > a collective dream, don't you think?! ;) > > Just wanted to share this experience with you....thanks > > Love, Pamela L. _________________________________________________________________ Tutto lo spazio che ti serve, lo trovi su Hotmail http://www.windowslive.it/hotmail/SpazioDisponibile.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:50:11 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: BSN Olympic video Thank you SOOOOO much, Les. I've watched the ceremony twice (live and rerun) and always missed this part. Hugs Danilo > From: lesirvin@gmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: BSN Olympic video > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:23:01 -0700 > > In case you missed it. > > > > MOV version (68megs): > https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRKYUlrUm5IRGc9PQ > > AVI version (82 megs): > https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRCZEtTRTZGa1E9PQ > > > > Les, trying to divert attention away from jm.com being down. _________________________________________________________________ Scatta, ritocca e condividi le tue foto online. Gratis per te http://www.windowslive.it/foto.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:55:47 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: "I really don't know life at all" To me it has meant slightly different things over time. When I was young the line meant quite literally that "I really don't know life at all" but I am willing and eager to learn more about it. Later it meant that whatever I did learn about life I would never be able to learn all there is to know. Life is changing and so is my understanding of it, is what it means to me now. As the years of my future become fewer I often find myself somewhat sad knowing that our lives are too short for us to aquire a deep understanding of the meaning of it all. As a child, I thought old people were wise. At 60, I know I'll never be wise enough. "I really don't know life at all" now means humbly admitting my inability to know it all in one lifetime. Love and peace, Marion, now looking forward to another of life's highlights, becoming a grandmother this summer! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Stanley" To: Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: "I really don't know life at all" > Hi beautiful Joni people, > > What is your interpretation of this line? It really struck me strong > when I was listening to the song played at the Olympics. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:23:54 +0100 From: "Pamela" Subject: Joni lesson!2 Ok! Well, I starded telling this theory of mine: there are 3 types of singing music: one where the music in not important and only the words want to communicate something, one where the lyrics doesn't say anything but it's the music the best part, and finally the one where music and words are a wonderful marriage that partecipate both to express an emotion. It's like music and words flow together magically from the same source. I focused my lesson just in what important is listening to Joni Mitchell and understanding the lyrics. You can't divide the two things. Then I gave to them two books: the one with her biography and all her lyrics untill Taming the Tiger with the translation in italian, and one book that a Canadian girl I met in my town 3 years ago sent me from Canada when she came back home (her mother is from Saskatchewan! The book is "Joni Mitchell voices" and it has lots of her paintings inside. I think that is the book from an exhibition at the Mendel Art Gallery...it's the best present I've ever received! There was a postcard from Saskatchewan inside with this words: "A friend of my mother had this book, so I told her about the Italian girl who loves Joni Mitchell, and she gave it to me to give to you! [........] Claire. Does anyone know about this book?There's the portrait of Joni in the front cover, in the style of Van Gogh). So they passed themself the books while I was speaking. Then I spoke about the opens chords, the meaning of them, quoting the words of Joni in a interview...."the chords of research". After I analyzed the influences of Joni in music, and the influences and differences in writing from Bob Dylan. I spoke about the first "folk" period and make them listen to "I had a king". I described her voice and her way to sing, and told them to watch out the mutation through the years. Than I spoke about the blue period and put "A case of you". After "Help me" from Court & Spark, "Hejira", "The dry cleaner from the Moines", "Dog Eat Dog", "Night Ride Home" and "This Place". Between a song and another I spoke a lot about her emotional mood in that period, about her choices, about the musician that were playing with her (a lot about Jaco!), about the changes in her musical language and themes. I analyzed from my point of view what was the best parts of her artistic production and why....I had only 40 minutes so I had to do a difficult choice! Then I finally spoke about the enormous influence she has had to many artist....impossible to tell! Most of the students are electric guitar players, then bass players, acustic players, singers and drummers. They all know the great musicians she played with and...they didn't believe it! Pat Metheny, Wayne Shorter, Mike Landau, Vinnie Colaiuta, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Robben Ford, Steve Lukather, Larry Carlton....Jaco Pastorius! These great musicians are well known from the students, so they soon understood the importance of study in deep Joni. This experience recall me an old project I have, and that I had a little desert. I want to write a show-concert about Joni, that runs through again all her "life in music". I don't want to tell about her record hits or her gossip, I'd like to focus the attention in the music and words. I need great musicians (that I know) to play her songs (with the translation on a screen!), i need actors to recite, I need a scenography made from her paintings and pictures....I need time! :) and I'm all alone....I don't know where to start from! I think I'm starting from the choice of the songs. What do you think?! Is my Italian-English understandable???!!! I hope yes...... :) Let me know about your thought! Hugs, Pam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Joni Lesson! Pamela wrote: ...They all liked what they have heard. It has been difficult for me to tell who is Joni Mitchell in 40 minutes, I had to do a selection of the most important things to say and I've choosed only 5 songs to make them listen to. They were surprised of what they were hearing...I'm very, very happy about this. Hi Pamela, Very cool opportunity! What songs did you choose? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:20:54 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: BSN Olympic video Diitto Bob. Thanks, Les! Great sleuth work. Laura ************************************************************************ Thanks Les - that was way cool and I have to say I got a little choked up. Bob ************************************************************************* MOV version (68megs): https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRKYUlrUm5IRGc9PQ AVI version (82 megs): https://www.yousendit.com/download/RmNEaXRCZEtTRTZGa1E9PQ Les, trying to divert attention away from jm.com being down. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:53:51 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #43 In a message dated 2/15/2010 3:16:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I had to do a selection of the most important things to say and I've choosed only 5 songs to make them listen to. Love to know which 5 made the cut. Please don't say BYT or Dancing Clown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:17:07 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni lesson!2 Hi Pamela - Your English is TOTALLY understandable...thanks for all the detail and congratulations for being such a good ambassador for Joni in Italy. The "Voices" book that you have has become a very valuable collector's item; copies on Ebay typically sell for $300 USD and up. I'll say you did a fine job of choosing songs that literally span Joni's entire career - good job! You are also to be congratulated for bringing to the fore some of Joni's unrecorded songs, thanks to you Joni fans get to hear them. Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "#41" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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When you're a kid, everything's good or bad, big or small, etc. As you grow up, you see that there are often more than one way of perceiving and evaluating any given object or situation. Hopefully, anyway; it seems to me that most of the world's ills come from people who are rigid in their worldview: They can't see both sides now, or ever, possibly because they view the world through a glass too dark, or blacked out. They are often wrong, but never uncertain, an expression I love. I'm also reminded of the saying: "The more I know, the more I know that I don't know." Peace & Love, Walt _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:59:01 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni lesson!2 >Gosh, I wish I could have been there. It sounds like a fine lesson >indeed, obviously deeply felt and carefully structured. It must have been >incredibly difficult to pick your songs, but yours were a good choice. I >especially think that "I Had a King" is perhaps the perfect song to >represent Joni's early period, as it obviously contains themes that she >will revisit over and over in her career. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ruh-Roh! It's Retro! Joni Covers, Volume 47 Hope everyone got their week off to a good start. Lots of good things happened for me today. A good day. Anyway, here's the next one in the retro category - Volume #47, containing the following hits:B 1. Marsha DesLauriers b Big Yellow Taxi 2. The Practicers b You Turn Me On Ibm A Radio 3. The Practicers b Twisted 4. The Ray Bloch Singers b Both Sides Now 5. Pickwick Papers b Youbre So Square 6. Canadian Suite b Carey 7. Canadian Suite b Raised On Robbery 8. Canadian Suite b Big Yellow Taxi 9. Charlie Wakefield Jazz Trio b Both Sides Now 10. Mother Of Pearl b Blue Motel Room 11. Sybersound b Help Me 12. Karen Mason b Joy To The World/River 13. Kate Peters b Both Sides Now 14. Kate Peters b All I Want 15. Larry D b Carey 16. Karl Anthony b Woodstock 17. Carmel Quinn b Both Sides Now 18. Karin Krog b All I Want 19. Alan Tew Orchestra b Big Yellow Taxi 20. Alan Tew Orchestra b Woodstock 21. The Skidmore Sonneteers b Chelsea Morning 22. Terry Dynam b Both Sides Now And here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/y9umpfv B Enjoy! B Bob B NP: Billy Bragg, "Everywhere" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:25:15 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Review of Joni's Olympics moment This I found on EW.com (an excerpt): Best less-is-more performance: Proving the quality of the song was more important than the presence of a singer, Joni Mitchells Both Sides Now was the perfect soundtrack for the prairie tribute, which featured aerialist and Hcole nationale de cirque student Thomas Saulgrain walking, running, then soaring through fields of gold. Honorable mention: k.d. lang, who captivated the arena singing Leonard Cohens Hallelujah barefooted, as the audience lit up the stadium. Noteworthy: Donald Sutherlands voiceover. Lindsay ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2010 #44 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe