From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 27 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 291 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental [] Re: Joni and the Black Man [Mark-Leon Thorne ] More news on the Sydney Joni Tribute [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: Jaco's ancestry [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni & the black man [Rose M Joy ] Re: Jaco's ancestry [Catherine McKay ] Re: Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental [Michael Paz ] Re: Re: Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental [] Rosie on Joni [Rusty10113@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:18:36 -0400 From: Subject: Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental Arrr, I am so late with my report! Came down with that nasty old H1N1 (or maybe "J1M1";-) flu right after returning from the Fest. All the great memories and music there (I hauled home a huge stackload of all available CDs) have given me a lot of comfort in my temporary disability and the good vibes are still so strongly with me. Have recovered and am now ready to wax prolix LOL. Thanks to Dave for the recordings of some of the live music - betcha by golly wow, indeed! Love it! You made my day when you joined in with the song circle on the Stevie tunes. And thanks to all for the fantastic photos! I want to most ravingly thank Dave, Robyn and their friends and family so much for all their hard work and putting on a virtually perfect Jonifest in such a beautiful setting. It was so well thought out and well done and all your efforts are greatly appreciated. I also am SO appreciative and grateful for the many in our group who traveled so far and wide (and even near and wide) to be there. Man, did we ever have a great cross-section of the group attending. Really missed lots of the rest of you all, too. Words cannot convey what a sweet time was had. Most everyone has conveyed so much already - but I still wanted to put in my raves and thanks because you all mean so much to me. I started feeling real whimpery the last night - it was like when we were all just getting into our happy, dreamy flow, then it ends all too soon and we have to turn back into our everyday pumpkins ;-( NOT fair at all! ;-) It meant incredibly a lot to many of us to finally get to meet JMDL true original Sue Mac, who has long been legendary in our world here. Despite her "local" celebrity, she is truly one of the nicest, coolest, down to earth persons you will ever meet. Sue, you represent us so well! Thanks so much for coming out to the west coast and please try to come back again soon! It was fabulous to meet Lieve after all these years of great email back and forth. Thank you for taking the time to visit in L.A. and traveling the long and winding road to the idyllic Idyllwild with Paz and me. Obviously, we have a surfeit of thoughtful and intelligent individuals in our group but you are one of the most brilliant persons I have ever met, on or off list. I loved that you learned your impeccable command of the English language from watching (subtitles) two of my favorite childhood TV shows - The Flintstones and Bonanza! Also thank you for the fantastic James Morrison (Brit guy, not the Doors guy ;-) CD. It is exactly my fave combination of old school/new school soul/jazz! Please come visit again soon! Henning and Laura - it was so great to meet you and thanks for making the trip and gifting me with your time and CDs. I hope you had a wonderful time in SoCal. You are so talented and I wish we could have had more chances to do more of the Beatles songbook. That was so nice! Cassy and Brad - Thanks for everything - you were a such large part of the heart and soul of the event. Cassy really had us with tears streaming down our faces with her performance of "Northern Star" by Alice Peacock. First time I ever cried at a musical performance at a Fest. WOW. Had a hell of a time finding the CD for that song - for those still searchng for it - it is a hidden fecking track on Peacock's self-titled album - but I have it securely in hand now ;-) Thank you for running the Joni auction and thanks so much to Kenny B for the gorgeous coffee mugs he created - I snagged the wonderful For The Roses/Clouds collectors' edition! And thanks also Cassy for the gift of a beautiful martini glass - heehee! Kay - I have always loved and been struck by your beautiful music (heard live many years ago at one of the Fests). I love your CD - it is SO perfectly done. You are a true original and I wish you all the best with pursuing your gift. Please keep going for it - you HAVE it, girl! I'm still chuckling at your remark of us both spending time working in the "Asperger's Community" (Law firms, ahem) LOL! Sweet Jimmy! So happy I had you to hang with in the "grotto bar" till all hours of the night! Or the "first row box seat," so to speak. It was so great to be with you again and so funny how on the last night people in the neighborhood were just coming in off the street and thinking I was the bartender-ess and you assisting me with filling some of the various drink orders HA! Get yourself back out here again soon! Jody, Jody, Jody! You have always been one of my very favorite Joni friends. One night Paz and I decreed that you are truly the official Sweetheart of the Joni Rodeo - and you know, we have been down to many of these rodeos before. You are such an amazing warm, generous and FUN person, so just accept that you are IT and thank you always for that! ;-) Bob! FINE job on all the songs, especially the improbable Dancing Clown and Tax Free and ooooo, the Earth Wind & Fire and the Stevie, too! Think we need to start a tradition of a "soul subset" of the song circle. What fun! God, I was contemplating your thought about us all ending up one day in the JMDL retirement home and thinking seriously, yeah, where else would we ever want to end up? Hee ;-) So glad you made the trek and hope you will have that SoCaro fest one day in the future! Angela - A-Pod - it was wonderful to meet you - you can hang with the best of us and are so talented and pure of voice! I hope we can all get together again soon at a North or South or in-between Calif. get-together. Lesli and Petey (and Goldie the dog) I am so glad you were able to join us against some odds. You just HAD to be there and you finally were! I am so late but want to also thank you for hosting us (Paz, Dulsons, Dave Blackburn and me) for a musical minifest at your beautiful vine-covered villa (with full blown recording studio) at the top of Topanga a few months back. That was another special and magical time for me. Thanks to Pete for joining in with us and filling in on drums. Pearl and Steve - Glad you were here and it was great to catch up with you again. Pearl, you really did an amazing job on LOAJP on such last minute notice! That was another highlight of the music performances. And thank you also, for yet another beautiful martini glass gift ;-) It was great to finally meet long time lister Happy the Man, Craig, and his Laura. Yes, they really are about 7 feet tall and a strikingly gorgeous couple. Laura is a reallly sweet person and also has an amazing singing voice. Jeannie gets the award for the list beauty queen and small bird charmer and I personally envied and admired her many changes of beautiful outfits ;-) Jeannie - so glad you made it out here (and back to LAX so early in the a.m.) You surely brought the glamour! Ashara, Jonifest CEO Emeritus, you are looking just glowing these days! So glad you made the trip and I hope you enjoyed sitting back as a particpant this time around! All the best to you in everything. Delene and Barry - you two are amazing! Geez, your energy is so fabulous whether you be playing the music or fixing the food or having the cigar break. You are a delight. I absolutely love your CD. It is the music I love - positive and perfectly executed. The production is also so bright and outstanding. Kudos to you and your recording engineer, Mr. Blackburn. Thanks for your huge contributions to the Fest. Kate and Jeff - you two only get more beautiful and handsome with time. It was wonderful that you could be there and lend your great musical presence. Steve and Michele and Lindsay - some of my oldest friends on the list. I was kind of startled at some of our reminiscing of various events from the "old days" - they really were some years ago! I'm so glad you finally got to a Jonifest! Now you see a bit why some of us are so crazy for them. We will see each other again, soon, I am sure. Thank you always for your long friendship. Paz - thank you for being my personal chauffeur, Sherpa, late-night collaborator, martini pourer, escort to the Joni prom, putting up with me and being my best pal. It was such typical Paz magic that one of my fave performers at PazFest 2000, Kevin Danzig, just so happened to performing down the street while we were there and was able to come and hang with us at the Inn. Yet another wow and high moment connected with the Paz ;-) Have a good and safe tour through Europe and see you here with the band in a couple months! Another amazing event was Duane Kasack (original listmember, attendee at the first Jonifest and attendee at the 98 Joni concerts/parties) emerging in Idyllwlid after years of not hearing from him! Just blew my mind. Duane, if you are out there lurking, you just made my month by making contact with us again. You are looking as stylish and dapper as ever and it was incredible to see you again! Now, please do keep in touch, you hear?! Thank you Patti P for the beautiful roses for around the room - they were in our favorite arrangement ;-) Thanks to all. Take care, love, kisses and sweet dreams until we all meet again. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:29 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni and the Black Man Thanks for that, Julius. I find this fascinating. Of course, Australians are very familiar with the general struggles of African Americans in the United States but, the details are not always known. As with the history of other countries too. This is one of the more important chapters of American history as it largely defined American culture and continues to define it but, it can be a little hazy from across the planet. Civil rights are important to any minority, racial or otherwise but in the context of US history, it almost tore a nation apart. Naturally, social experimentation and finding the comfort zones go on for years. These things are often questioned in entertainment. It seems, entertainment was the area where African Americans found a limited amount of freedom and so often thrived. The one place where an oppressed people could express themselves. Joni knew all this too well and was obviously inspired by African American culture and music. So much so that, I believe her blackface appearance was a tribute. Almost like wanting to BE a black man for a day. The Black and White Minstrels, Al Jolson and the idiots on Hey Hey It's Saturday were just curious minds, reaching out to a culture we share the planet with. Australians certainly don't mind poking fun at themselves either. Who else would give the world such luminaries as Dame Edna Everidge or Yahoo Serious? As long as you don't think we are a nation of Crocodile Dundees, we won't expect you to be a bunch of minstrels in afro wigs. Deal? I really appreciate you chiming in, Julius. Don't be so quiet in future. Mark in Sydney NP Time Will Fly - Martha's Vineyard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:08 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: More news on the Sydney Joni Tribute Sorry to bore you all with this, but it is truly exciting to have some Joni-related news to share. I heard Katie Noonan interviewed on ABC radio this afternoon. She is one of the seven performers in the Joni Tribute concert coming up here in Sydney on Friday night. She revealed that she would be singing Little Green, Woodstock and The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines. She said there is a little in joke amongst the performers, with some wit referring to the latter song as "The Dry Cleaner from Drummoyne" - which is an inner west Sydney suburb, very close to where Mark-Leon Thorne lives! Melissa in Sydney, where it is rather cool and damp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:48:55 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jaco's ancestry Hi I was discussing with an artist friend of mine the musicians with native american blood : Jimi, Bobby Rush, Eddie Clearwater, etc This friend met Jaco in a Paris bar circa 1980. During the discussion Jaco said he had native american blood and in order to prove it he pulled out from his wallet some ID card with that mention. We're not sure what card it was, from a reserve maybe? My friend recalls it looked real. Now, wikipedia reads : John Francis Pastorius III was born December 1, 1951 in Norristown , Pennsylvania [1] to Jack Pastorius (big band singer/drummer) and Stephanie Katherine Haapala Pastorius,[2] the first of their three children. Jaco was of Finnish, German, Swedish and Irish ancestry.[3] Has anybody heard anything about Jaco's american indian ancestry ? It sounds far fetched to me but since my friend is reliable i thought i'd check with you guys. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jaco's ancestry As for an ID card, don't know if this exists in the US but, in Canada, you can be registered as a "status Indian" which would entitle you to some tax breaks and benefits. Maybe Jaco had a similar card: http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ai/mr/is/isc-eng.asp ________________________________ From: Laurent Olszer To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 8:48:55 AM Subject: Jaco's ancestry Hi I was discussing with an artist friend of mine the musicians with native american blood : Jimi, Bobby Rush, Eddie Clearwater, etc This friend met Jaco in a Paris bar circa 1980. During the discussion Jaco said he had native american blood and in order to prove it he pulled out from his wallet some ID card with that mention. We're not sure what card it was, from a reserve maybe? My friend recalls it looked real. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:26:11 -0400 From: Rose M Joy Subject: Re: joni & the black man Yes Gene is a very nice guy. When we all heard the sad news of Don's passing, I went to his website which Gene happened to be updating. I expressed my sympathy and Gene contacted me personally via email. They were hoping Joni would attend.... I am a personal friend of Richard Blackwell, a conga player from Asbury Park, NJ who knew Don very well. Richard confirmed back then Joni & Don had a thing going on ;0) Not that I'm above gossip Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Hi David- > I was in Mexico City after we came back from Thailand in Nov 2007. We > were invited to a concert at a nice jazz club > and Gene was playing with a trio. Some of the guys in the band sat in > with them and we had a great time. He was a > very nice guy and I enjoyed talking to him. I dd not realize he had a > Joni connection. He is my friend on Facebook. > Next time you see him please remember me to him and send him good > wishes from the PHJB. > > Best > > Paz > > On Oct 25, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > I played a gig yesterday with Gene Perla, the bassist. He told me that > he > subbed for Jaco on one JM concert (Hollywood Bowl). He was a very > close > friend and musical partner of Don Alias. I asked him whether Don & JM > had a > personal thing going and he said "For about two years." > > He also said that when JM met G O'Keefe for the first time, she and > Alias > drove from LA to O'K's house (in NM?) and JM asked Alias to ring the > doorbell; she wasn't up to it at that moment. > > Don Alias, now deceased, was black and if you have the original DJRD > songbook, > you can see (I'm pretty sure) him and Gene Perla on the drive-in > screen > opposite p. 65. I'm going to verify this with GP next time I see him, > since > he's never seen the book. The photo credits for the songbook are: > Norman > Seefe, Glen Christensen and Myrtle Anderson. > > This might shed some light on JM's blackface pictures on DJRD. > > DAVID > LAHM > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jaco's ancestry In FAQs at the website run by Ingrid Pastorius (http://www.jacop.net/faq.html) here's some stuff about his ethnicity. He had family from all over. Sounds like another mutt of the planet! That doesn't mean it's impossible he had native American blood, but he could have been bullshitting too. He may have had an honorary card from somewhere. WHAT IS JACO'S BIRTH LINEAGE? The Latin name PASTORIUS was once the German Schdfer, meaning shepherd. Jaco's father, John Francis Pastorius II, was born in Pennsylvania from German and Irish descendants. Jaco's mother, Verna Katarina HAAPALA was born in Minnesota and changed her name to Stephanie Katherine Haapala. Jaco's Grandmother on his Mom's side, Kaisa Eriika ISOJDRVI, was born north of the Arctic Circle in Lappi, Finland, married David Haapala from Minnesota, who's father, Andrew Haapala was from Oulu, Finland and who's mother, Josephina BUCHT, was from Norrbotten, Sweden. Conclusion: Jaco had Finnish, German, Swedish, and Irish ancestry. ________________________________ From: Laurent Olszer To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 8:48:55 AM Subject: Jaco's ancestry Hi I was discussing with an artist friend of mine the musicians with native american blood : Jimi, Bobby Rush, Eddie Clearwater, etc This friend met Jaco in a Paris bar circa 1980. During the discussion Jaco said he had native american blood and in order to prove it he pulled out from his wallet some ID card with that mention. We're not sure what card it was, from a reserve maybe? My friend recalls it looked real. Now, wikipedia reads : John Francis Pastorius III was born December 1, 1951 in Norristown , Pennsylvania [1] to Jack Pastorius (big band singer/drummer) and Stephanie Katherine Haapala Pastorius,[2] the first of their three children. Jaco was of Finnish, German, Swedish and Irish ancestry.[3] Has anybody heard anything about Jaco's american indian ancestry ? It sounds far fetched to me but since my friend is reliable i thought i'd check with you guys. Laurent __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:50:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental SIGH!! I will never get around to doing it so thanks to Kakki for this excellent report. I am in Brussels and had a wonderful meal of Moules and Frites of course. I took Rickie our piano player to dinner cause someone pick pocketed his wallet right in from of the damn hotel. this is such a goergous city but I am struck by the poverty here. It is so "in your face". And it is very expensive! Yikes I don't know how people do it. Anyways I am all teary eyed after reading Kakki's post so I think I will just go cry myself to sleep and think of better days when I was with true friends who love you even if you screw up lyrics to songs you know so well. Luv Paz P.S> Great to see JR back on the list! Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:18 AM, wrote: Arrr, I am so late with my report! Came down with that nasty old H1N1 (or maybe "J1M1";-) flu right after returning from the Fest. All the great memories and music there (I hauled home a huge stackload of all available CDs) have given me a lot of comfort in my temporary disability and the good vibes are still so strongly with me. Have recovered and am now ready to wax prolix LOL. Thanks to Dave for the recordings of some of the live music - betcha by golly wow, indeed! Love it! You made my day when you joined in with the song circle on the Stevie tunes. And thanks to all for the fantastic photos! I want to most ravingly thank Dave, Robyn and their friends and family so much for all their hard work and putting on a virtually perfect Jonifest in such a beautiful setting. It was so well thought out and well done and all your efforts are greatly appreciated. I also am SO appreciative and grateful for the many in our group who traveled so far and wide (and even near and wide) to be there. Man, did we ever have a great cross-section of the group attending. Really missed lots of the rest of you all, too. Words cannot convey what a sweet time was had. Most everyone has conveyed so much already - but I still wanted to put in my raves and thanks because you all mean so much to me. I started feeling real whimpery the last night - it was like when we were all just getting into our happy, dreamy flow, then it ends all too soon and we have to turn back into our everyday pumpkins ;-( NOT fair at all! ;-) It meant incredibly a lot to many of us to finally get to meet JMDL true original Sue Mac, who has long been legendary in our world here. Despite her "local" celebrity, she is truly one of the nicest, coolest, down to earth persons you will ever meet. Sue, you represent us so well! Thanks so much for coming out to the west coast and please try to come back again soon! It was fabulous to meet Lieve after all these years of great email back and forth. Thank you for taking the time to visit in L.A. and traveling the long and winding road to the idyllic Idyllwild with Paz and me. Obviously, we have a surfeit of thoughtful and intelligent individuals in our group but you are one of the most brilliant persons I have ever met, on or off list. I loved that you learned your impeccable command of the English language from watching (subtitles) two of my favorite childhood TV shows - The Flintstones and Bonanza! Also thank you for the fantastic James Morrison (Brit guy, not the Doors guy ;-) CD. It is exactly my fave combination of old school/new school soul/jazz! Please come visit again soon! Henning and Laura - it was so great to meet you and thanks for making the trip and gifting me with your time and CDs. I hope you had a wonderful time in SoCal. You are so talented and I wish we could have had more chances to do more of the Beatles songbook. That was so nice! Cassy and Brad - Thanks for everything - you were a such large part of the heart and soul of the event. Cassy really had us with tears streaming down our faces with her performance of "Northern Star" by Alice Peacock. First time I ever cried at a musical performance at a Fest. WOW. Had a hell of a time finding the CD for that song - for those still searchng for it - it is a hidden fecking track on Peacock's self-titled album - but I have it securely in hand now ;-) Thank you for running the Joni auction and thanks so much to Kenny B for the gorgeous coffee mugs he created - I snagged the wonderful For The Roses/Clouds collectors' edition! And thanks also Cassy for the gift of a beautiful martini glass - heehee! Kay - I have always loved and been struck by your beautiful music (heard live many years ago at one of the Fests). I love your CD - it is SO perfectly done. You are a true original and I wish you all the best with pursuing your gift. Please keep going for it - you HAVE it, girl! I'm still chuckling at your remark of us both spending time working in the "Asperger's Community" (Law firms, ahem) LOL! Sweet Jimmy! So happy I had you to hang with in the "grotto bar" till all hours of the night! Or the "first row box seat," so to speak. It was so great to be with you again and so funny how on the last night people in the neighborhood were just coming in off the street and thinking I was the bartender-ess and you assisting me with filling some of the various drink orders HA! Get yourself back out here again soon! Jody, Jody, Jody! You have always been one of my very favorite Joni friends. One night Paz and I decreed that you are truly the official Sweetheart of the Joni Rodeo - and you know, we have been down to many of these rodeos before. You are such an amazing warm, generous and FUN person, so just accept that you are IT and thank you always for that! ;-) Bob! FINE job on all the songs, especially the improbable Dancing Clown and Tax Free and ooooo, the Earth Wind & Fire and the Stevie, too! Think we need to start a tradition of a "soul subset" of the song circle. What fun! God, I was contemplating your thought about us all ending up one day in the JMDL retirement home and thinking seriously, yeah, where else would we ever want to end up? Hee ;-) So glad you made the trek and hope you will have that SoCaro fest one day in the future! Angela - A-Pod - it was wonderful to meet you - you can hang with the best of us and are so talented and pure of voice! I hope we can all get together again soon at a North or South or in-between Calif. get-together. Lesli and Petey (and Goldie the dog) I am so glad you were able to join us against some odds. You just HAD to be there and you finally were! I am so late but want to also thank you for hosting us (Paz, Dulsons, Dave Blackburn and me) for a musical minifest at your beautiful vine-covered villa (with full blown recording studio) at the top of Topanga a few months back. That was another special and magical time for me. Thanks to Pete for joining in with us and filling in on drums. Pearl and Steve - Glad you were here and it was great to catch up with you again. Pearl, you really did an amazing job on LOAJP on such last minute notice! That was another highlight of the music performances. And thank you also, for yet another beautiful martini glass gift ;-) It was great to finally meet long time lister Happy the Man, Craig, and his Laura. Yes, they really are about 7 feet tall and a strikingly gorgeous couple. Laura is a reallly sweet person and also has an amazing singing voice. Jeannie gets the award for the list beauty queen and small bird charmer and I personally envied and admired her many changes of beautiful outfits ;-) Jeannie - so glad you made it out here (and back to LAX so early in the a.m.) You surely brought the glamour! Ashara, Jonifest CEO Emeritus, you are looking just glowing these days! So glad you made the trip and I hope you enjoyed sitting back as a particpant this time around! All the best to you in everything. Delene and Barry - you two are amazing! Geez, your energy is so fabulous whether you be playing the music or fixing the food or having the cigar break. You are a delight. I absolutely love your CD. It is the music I love - positive and perfectly executed. The production is also so bright and outstanding. Kudos to you and your recording engineer, Mr. Blackburn. Thanks for your huge contributions to the Fest. Kate and Jeff - you two only get more beautiful and handsome with time. It was wonderful that you could be there and lend your great musical presence. Steve and Michele and Lindsay - some of my oldest friends on the list. I was kind of startled at some of our reminiscing of various events from the "old days" - they really were some years ago! I'm so glad you finally got to a Jonifest! Now you see a bit why some of us are so crazy for them. We will see each other again, soon, I am sure. Thank you always for your long friendship. Paz - thank you for being my personal chauffeur, Sherpa, late-night collaborator, martini pourer, escort to the Joni prom, putting up with me and being my best pal. It was such typical Paz magic that one of my fave performers at PazFest 2000, Kevin Danzig, just so happened to performing down the street while we were there and was able to come and hang with us at the Inn. Yet another wow and high moment connected with the Paz ;-) Have a good and safe tour through Europe and see you here with the band in a couple months! Another amazing event was Duane Kasack (original listmember, attendee at the first Jonifest and attendee at the 98 Joni concerts/parties) emerging in Idyllwlid after years of not hearing from him! Just blew my mind. Duane, if you are out there lurking, you just made my month by making contact with us again. You are looking as stylish and dapper as ever and it was incredible to see you again! Now, please do keep in touch, you hear?! Thank you Patti P for the beautiful roses for around the room - they were in our favorite arrangement ;-) Thanks to all. Take care, love, kisses and sweet dreams until we all meet again. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:54:36 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Jaco's ancestry Well, one could bend and twist it a bit. We read here that he has a part of his heritage "north of the Arctic Circle in Lappi, Finland" as well as in Norrbotten in Sweden. "Lappi" is, of course, referring to Lappland, the home of the "Lapps" or "Sami" as is the political correct term for the indigenous people of Northern Scandinavia (stretching across what we now call Norway-Sweden-Finland-Russia). And there we even have a certain connection with the Eskimo people of Greenland and the American Indians. If not a blood relationship between these ethnic groups, they were all the indigenous populations and all totemic cultures. By the way, from the Norwegian article which I translated a while back, Joni had some Sami blood among her ancestors. The plot thickens! OH, well. Considering the population explosion of the past 100 years, we are ALL related in one way or another, so why not? Even Cheney and Obama are related in some odd and ironic sort of way. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:37 PM To: Laurent Olszer; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Jaco's ancestry In FAQs at the website run by Ingrid Pastorius (http://www.jacop.net/faq.html) here's some stuff about his ethnicity. He had family from all over. Sounds like another mutt of the planet! That doesn't mean it's impossible he had native American blood, but he could have been bullshitting too. He may have had an honorary card from somewhere. WHAT IS JACO'S BIRTH LINEAGE? The Latin name PASTORIUS was once the German Schdfer, meaning shepherd. Jaco's father, John Francis Pastorius II, was born in Pennsylvania from German and Irish descendants. Jaco's mother, Verna Katarina HAAPALA was born in Minnesota and changed her name to Stephanie Katherine Haapala. Jaco's Grandmother on his Mom's side, Kaisa Eriika ISOJDRVI, was born north of the Arctic Circle in Lappi, Finland, married David Haapala from Minnesota, who's father, Andrew Haapala was from Oulu, Finland and who's mother, Josephina BUCHT, was from Norrbotten, Sweden. Conclusion: Jaco had Finnish, German, Swedish, and Irish ancestry. ________________________________ From: Laurent Olszer To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 8:48:55 AM Subject: Jaco's ancestry Hi I was discussing with an artist friend of mine the musicians with native american blood : Jimi, Bobby Rush, Eddie Clearwater, etc This friend met Jaco in a Paris bar circa 1980. During the discussion Jaco said he had native american blood and in order to prove it he pulled out from his wallet some ID card with that mention. We're not sure what card it was, from a reserve maybe? My friend recalls it looked real. Now, wikipedia reads : John Francis Pastorius III was born December 1, 1951 in Norristown , Pennsylvania [1] to Jack Pastorius (big band singer/drummer) and Stephanie Katherine Haapala Pastorius,[2] the first of their three children. Jaco was of Finnish, German, Swedish and Irish ancestry.[3] Has anybody heard anything about Jaco's american indian ancestry ? It sounds far fetched to me but since my friend is reliable i thought i'd check with you guys. Laurent __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Subject: Re: Re: Latest Jonifest report ever! Long and sentimental I had my wallet pick-pocketed the first half hour I was in France, at the airport! Give Ricky my best! Victor, heading home from a very successful day at the airport ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jaco's ancestry I remembered seeing that somewhere - couldn't remember whether Joni had said it or it came from somewhere else. She has said she has native blood or Indian blood or however she phrased it. That might be what she meant. There may be a closer Joni-Jaco relationship there. And you're right - we're all cousins one way or another. Like it or not! ________________________________ From: Rob Argento To: Catherine McKay ; Laurent Olszer ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 5:54:36 PM Subject: RE: Jaco's ancestry By the way, from the Norwegian article which I translated a while back, Joni had some Sami blood among her ancestors. The plot thickens! OH, well. Considering the population explosion of the past 100 years, we are ALL related in one way or another, so why not? Even Cheney and Obama are related in some odd and ironic sort of way. /Robban __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:58:22 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Rosie on Joni Did everyone see this? Rosie O Donnell in today's USA Today.. After The View, she says, she spent two years listening to every one of Joni Mitchell's albums and came to the conclusion that whatever came next would have to "really best serve my life. I knew one thing for sure: I didn't want to leave home." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #291 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe