From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #275 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 12 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 275 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: karen oberlin [Bob Muller ] Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? [gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: karen oberlin Maybe Karen is going to record that one on an upcoming album. She recorded (the rarely covered) "Barangrill" previously. Bob NP: The Drive-By Truckers, "Rebels" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:35:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? This is what Rolling Stone said about 'Talk to Me' when it reviewed 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter': '"Talk to Me" is the LP's most enduring number: as a terrible embarrassing song about feeling terribly embarrassed, it has a scary appropriateness.' 'Oh I talk too loose Again I talk to open and free I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery' Just one more volley in the war between Joni & Rolling Stone. They pretty much trashed the album. Pennance Crane is maybe too embarrassed (or guilty) to admit her affair with the Pirate. There seems to be some embarrassment about her success when she says she plays 'for fortune and those velvet curtain calls' or 'if you have the money or if you're a friend to me.' 'But the one-man band by the quick lunch stand, he was playing real good for free.' In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she actually uses the word embarrassed. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Peckham" To: "Patti Parlette" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Patti Parlette > wrote: > > "P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't > think of > any > off the top of my head." > > Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the > Cardinals--*Follow the Lights*--highly recommended---so I can't > clear my > brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And > feeling > too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I > don't think > Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could > certainly be > wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? > > Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this > gorgeous, > cool fall weather! > > > > > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then > there'd > be > peace." > -- John Lennon > > http://www.imaginepeace.com/ > >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >> > > > > -- > Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:53:14 +0100 From: joe farrell Subject: re:desert island discs Steve Coogan chose "California" by Joni as one of his desert island discs on BBC Radio Four this morning. The show is available on line on BBC i. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:12:32 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? there,s a line running through my head but i cant get the song right now...its to do with embarassment..."feeling too ashamed to say the words that I'd meant" or something like that. can anyone help me out here? it is a joni song i think.... och..its from "i dont know where i stand" and it is "the words i had planned. " i think thats already been up for grabs here in this discussion. in this case, in this beautiful song, i think the shame is more akin to embarassment, non? mark said In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she actually uses the word embarrassed. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Peckham" To: "Patti Parlette" ; "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Patti Parlette > >wrote: >> >> "P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't think >> of >> any >> off the top of my head." >> >> Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the >> Cardinals--*Follow the Lights*--highly recommended---so I can't clear my >> brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And >> feeling >> too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I don't >> think >> Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could certainly be >> wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? >> >> Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this gorgeous, >> cool fall weather! >> >> >> >> >> "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then >> there'd >> be >> peace." >> -- John Lennon >> >> http://www.imaginepeace.com/ >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Fest Report (late!!) & Joni on TV LOL Lindsay! I'm sure that Bob & Sue were just as much in awe of you. You've done so much transcribing for JoniMitchell.com, so you're right up there! Miss you already! Jimmy In a message dated 10/10/2009 7:50:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: > Wonderful to meet all of you, Bob &Sue, thanks for riding up with me. It > was so great to meet Sue whom I've read about all these years . and in the > back of my mind I was thinking, wait, this is the guy who is responsible > for > all Joni covers and the woman who instituted the Tabs section and I'm > driving them? I kept muttering to myself "Don't have an accident! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:11:41 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: How do you stop singing at concerts? Now Joni embarassment lyrics Thanks, Mark and Terra and Gerard, for your thoughtful replies. You really dug down deep into Joni's oeuvre. I hope you did not lose good sleep! ; ) I don't think Joni is ever embarrassed, though. She's so busy, being free. And with "an ego like Mussolini's" (LOL!) there are no regrets, Coyotes! xo, pp > This is what Rolling Stone said about 'Talk to Me' when it reviewed > 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter': > > '"Talk to Me" is the LP's most enduring number: as a terrible > embarrassing song about feeling terribly embarrassed, it has a scary > appropriateness.' > > 'Oh I talk too loose > Again I talk to open and free > I pay a high price for my open talking > Like you do for your silent mystery' > > Just one more volley in the war between Joni & Rolling Stone. They > pretty much trashed the album. > > Pennance Crane is maybe too embarrassed (or guilty) to admit her > affair with the Pirate. > > There seems to be some embarrassment about her success when she says > she plays 'for fortune and those velvet curtain calls' or 'if you have > the money or if you're a friend to me.' > 'But the one-man band by the quick lunch stand, he was playing real > good for free.' > > In 'Down to You' after 'a few drinks later, you're not so choosy'. > And then 'clutching the night to you like a fig leaf you hurry to the > blackness and the blankets.' I think that implies embarrassment or > perhaps shame. Running into the night and the blankets to cover up or > hide, like putting a fig leaf over what is embarrassing. > > Just a few thoughts about this. I can't think of a song where she > actually uses the word embarrassed. > > Mark in Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #275 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe