From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #274 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 11 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 274 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- How do you stop singing at concerts? [Patti Parlette ] Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? [T Peckham ] Fest Report (late!!) & Joni on TV ["Lindsay Moon" ] RE: karen oberlin [Deb Messling ] Another JMDLister Finishes Girls Like Us [PassScribe@aol.com] RE: How do you stop singing at concerts? now a very Joni evening [Patti P] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:27:38 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: How do you stop singing at concerts? Bon weekend, Joni(e)amies! I was just reading the newspaper and came upon this: DEAR AMY: I would like to know if it would have been rude of me at a concert to politely ask the person behind me to stop singing so that I might have enjoyed the band I paid to hear. I recently attended a doo-wop concert where I encountered three lovely ladies behind me, one of whom insisted on singing before, during and after the band. Her voice was not at all enjoyable. I shot her a couple of dirty looks (as did the lady in front of me), which she completely ignored. There were several opportunities when the band invited everyone to sing along - -- and I have no problem with that. How should I approach this sort of problem in the future? -- Deaf and Annoyed DEAR ANNOYED: In my line of work, I hear about "dirty looks" being shot back and forth on an alarmingly frequent basis -- and the dirty looks never seem to land on their target. Contrary to popular belief, a dirty look isn't really a weapon of mass destruction. Sometimes, as our kindergarten teachers used to say, "You have to use your words." Concerts are supercharged events, and doo-wop music is infectious. You should have asked the singer in back of you to please stop singing by saying a version of, "I'm sure you don't realize this, but I'm having trouble hearing Sha Na Na because you're singing. Can you wait until the sing-along?" **** This made me laugh, remembering seeing Joni in Montreal in August 1974. We waited all day for the sun to come out (it was an outdoor concert at Place des Nations) and when it finally did, and Joni appeared, it was magic. http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/detail.cfm?id=1829 At one point, a guy in front of me turned around and said, nicely: "Would you mind not singing? I came here to hear Joni." I said: "Oh, I'm so sorry!" and clapped my hand over my mouth. It was hard not to sing when you know ALL of the words! The more voices on it the better, and the more out-of-tune voices on it the better? Not always! xo, pp P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't think of any off the top of my head. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:40:41 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: karen oberlin I just heard Karen Oberlin "A Case of You," among other songs, at my local Border's. Her husband David Hajdu has a new book out, Heroes and Villains, with a chapter about Joni, specially about her album Shine. Karen's cover was fairly pedestrian, but then she was constrained by her husband's tepid accompaniment on guitar. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:43:07 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: How do you stop singing at concerts? On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Patti Parlette wrote: "P.S. Does Joni have any lyrics about being embarrassed? I can't think of any off the top of my head." Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the Cardinals--*Follow the Lights*--highly recommended---so I can't clear my brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And feeling too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I don't think Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could certainly be wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this gorgeous, cool fall weather! "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > - -- Some things in life it just gets too late to learn . . . --Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:29:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: karen oberlin I imagine the Joni chapter is much like his neW Republic review: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Deb > Messling > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:41 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: karen oberlin > > I just heard Karen Oberlin "A Case of You," among other songs, at my > local Border's. Her husband David Hajdu has a new book out, Heroes > and Villains, with a chapter about Joni, specially about her album > Shine. > > Karen's cover was fairly pedestrian, but then she was constrained by > her husband's tepid accompaniment on guitar. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:53:05 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Fest Report (late!!) & Joni on TV Well, I'm the latest one with any Fest report, am I not?? I, who was the Fest virgin! Well, I'll try not to rehash what's already been reported. Let me just say that I was thrilled to be there among these wonderful people in this lovely place. I was so glad to meet everyone finally. I wish we could do that every weekend. Robin & Dave, thank you so much for all the prep work you guys did to prepare for that. The food was so delicious and I know a lot of work. Thank you everyone for the wonderful performances. I was amazed at everyone's talent! I will say by Angela's performance of "Marcie" (or was it "Nathan La Franeer"?) I was completely a bowl of goo. By Cassy's, I was a blubbering idiot. Robin & Dave's performances with the band was exceptional and I was ready to chuck my regular life and follow them on the road. To hear that level of musicianship was so wonderful. Thank you too to the owners of the Inn who were lovely people. I will recommend your inn to all my San Diego friends!! Unfortunately, with my subpar sense of direction, I got really lost on the way back and it took way longer than it should have. And then I came back to scads and scads of work that I've been doing ever since. Well, a short-lived high anyway. Wonderful to meet all of you, Bob & Sue, thanks for riding up with me. It was so great to meet Sue whom I've read about all these years . and in the back of my mind I was thinking, wait, this is the guy who is responsible for all Joni covers and the woman who instituted the Tabs section and I'm driving them? I kept muttering to myself "Don't have an accident! Don't have an accident!" I joked with them I felt like I was transporting the King and Queen of England or something. And again I apologize for "cheating" you out of a ride back to San Diego. My fault completely. I so enjoyed talking with Lieve, Jody (my roomie! and Mad Men fanatic), Delene (I'll find that Joni book one day!), Robin's mom (favorite quote from her: "I've had 7 pills! I feel like Michael Jackson!") and family who helped so much, Jeannie, Theresa, and the Dulsons, Steve & Michelle, whom I hadn't seen in so long (I believe they were the first people I met on the list), Kakki (maybe the second person on the list I met), Paz!!, Ashara, Pearl!, Cassy & Brad! I know I'm leaving people out and please know that I loved being with you all. And wonderful Jimmy. Jimmy, I wish you lived closer so we could have a good old laugh about life in general (and watch Mad Men every Sunday!). See you in New Orleans. If I can swing it in any way, I'm sure going to try! Joni on TV: I've been taping some Biography shows lately and one on the Mama's and the Papa's had mention and photos of Joni (I believe it was the photo of her, Crosby & Eric Clapton on the lawn playing.) Oh, and I never knew about a lady named Jill that was brought in to replace Michelle after she was kicked out. Hmm, maybe I was more "involved" in the '60s and '70s than I recalled. Another Biography of David Crosby, again the photo on the lawn. And then my son taped the one on Led Zeppelin. Here he is, 13-year-old rock fanatic watching his favorite rock band . and who should they put on the screen but our dear Joan, guitar across her lap, long blonde hair, saying how both Page and Plant were completely enamored of her music. Hahaha. He turned around to find me, hands up in the air, shouting Whoo-hoo! Really cracked me up. Thank you all for the wonderful Fest! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:51:25 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: karen oberlin That's it, exactly. At 05:29 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >I imagine the Joni chapter is much like his neW Republic review: >http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1800 > > > I just heard Karen Oberlin "A Case of You," among other songs, at my > > local Border's. Her husband David Hajdu has a new book out, Heroes > > and Villains, with a chapter about Joni, specially about her album > > Shine. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:12:52 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Another JMDLister Finishes Girls Like Us Hi, gang, Yes, it's true... I fiinally finished reading Sheila Weller's fine book, Girls Like Us (I've been busy... what can I say?) Like some others who've commented before me, I also skipped over much about Carly- partly because I was never a big fan but mostly because I read so much about her in the James Taylor biography, Fire and Rain (a VERY detailed book, I must say... WAY too many details, if you ask me! I was glad when that one was finished.) Anyway, I really enjoyed reading about Carol King- whose Tapestry album was one of my faves, besides being one of the biggest selling albums of all time, and whose other early hits from the Brill Building I appreciated. I learned a lot about her and those associated with her. And, of course I knew much about Joni before but it's great learning more and having it all in one place now... and lots of blanks filled in at last. I must say, I was quite moved by reading of Joni's reunion with her daughter... too bad they've had their share of family spats since then, but... that's life! Overall, a very good book, I think. Lastly, I will say that if you've ever felt your life was fecked up, or that you've made a bad choice in choosing a spouse or a partner, or that you wonder why you can't maintain a relationship with someone... it's nice to know you're not alone... and that it happens to the best (or most talented) of us (as evidenced by this book). Man, what a roller coaster ride these girls have had! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:15:57 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: How do you stop singing at concerts? now a very Joni evening Terra wrote: Bonjour Ms. Parlette! I'm sitting here listening to Ryan Adams & the Cardinals--Follow the Lights--highly recommended---so I can't clear my brain and think all things Joni, but this comes to mind: ". . . And feeling too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned." I don't think Joni ever used the word "embarrassed" in a song (tho I could certainly be wrong!), but feeling foolish comes pretty close, non? Terra, feeling very foolish for not getting out sooner in this gorgeous, cool fall weather! *** Oui! Et merci pour la reponse. Et quelle coincidence that you, Terra, would pop in today. I spent yesterday evening at my best friend's house (we met in 1975 at a college apt., when she put Blue on the turntable and asked: Do you like Joni Mitchell?... old story here) and her daughter's name is Tara. Same pronunciation, n'est-ce pas? If you can follow the Jonidiomaticassociativelogic that goes on in my head.... Tara is 25 now. She played Joni songs all night on her computer, while they were helping me pick out new cabinets for my hard-up kitchen. (Do you know all the choices out there? Some of the crazy you get from too much choice!) Whenever another Joni song would start, she would say: "OMG! I love this one!" And of course, I mirrored her back, as did her mother. All I Want. The Last Time I Saw Richard. God Must Be a Boogeyman. Harry's House. IF (for Obama). "And you know there may be more..." Yes! We even heard I Think I Understand. Oh, did we sing! Our conversation was sprinkled with all kinds of Joni quotes from me, the chirp. They were telling me that I should write a book about growing up with Joni. It was fun. We reminisced about seeing Joni on the BSN tour in Wallingford, CT in May, 2000. When I told Tara about shaking Joni's hand in New Haven, and she turned to her Mom and said: "Whoa, Mom! Patti is a way-bigger Joni fan than YOU!" At the time, Janis vehemently denied it, but last night she finally admitted that yes, I am the bigger Joni fan. I kept going back to the computer to show them pictures and videos of the wonderful fest at Idyllwild. "Ya gotta see this one!" As the evening wore down and I was packing up all the kitchen brochures and cabinet panels, we were laughing and crying. Tara was so impressed with our Joni-ness. And then she said: "You know? Blue is my all-time favorite album." Isn't that something, that her mother and I met and bonded over Blue, and now, thirty-whatever years later, it is now Tara's favorite album? Vive la Joan! Wishing everyone a pleasant dreamland, Patti P. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #274 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe