From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 5 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Reoccurring Nightmare [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: John Kelly 08/06/09 at Castle Clinton [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare [Melissa Gibbs ] RE: Kilauren and Karma, the Circle [Susan McNamara ] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] John Kelly at Castle Clinton doing Court & Spark [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Reoccurring Nightmare ["Mark Scott" ] Our Sherelle in an NPR interview! [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:28:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Reoccurring Nightmare I will also note that you aren't exactly singing its praises (or anyone else for that matter). Bob NP: Joni, "Lead Balloon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:14:34 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly 08/06/09 at Castle Clinton In a message dated 8/4/09 3:04:10 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Cindy Vickery > Subject: RE: John Kelly 08/06/09 at Castle Clinton > > We'll be there! Anyone else? > Hey, Cindy, Ro & I are planning on going... I'm just wondering if there are seats or if it's a "stand up" show. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:21:31 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare True - I9m not a fan. Just having some fun. It9s the strange Aussie humour I spose. NP: Nothing - signing off for the night From: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:28:27 -0400 To: Melissa Gibbs Cc: Subject: Reoccurring Nightmare I will also note that you aren't exactly singing its praises (or anyone else for that matter). Bob NP: Joni, "Lead Balloon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:02:30 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Kilauren and Karma, the Circle Hi Laura, Thanks for posting the link to Kilauren's version of Morning Morgantown. I was also really struck by her selection of this song because I always felt that Joni wrote that song as a daydream of what a day would be spending time with her little girl. Every time I think of that I get choked up. Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Kilauren and Karma, The Circle Hello, I've been noticing of late (and early in the morning) the concept of the circle found in things Joni. I woke up thinking about Morning Morgantown and Kilauren performing it on Youtube. I was thinking, I want to post the link for that on my facebook. Gonna do it... Of course I love the way Joni does the song, but when Kilauren performs it, the song wakes up full circle. The song she chose to let us hear is about morning, the beginning of another circle of day, which Kilauren is and which happens to the song through her performing it... she wakes it up. Here it is btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KKYGvwkH8&feature=PlayList&p=18C8463B1552BA8 3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=35 I love how she gets back into a garden and then starts singing. She admires the flowers and fruit of a tree very naturally, like a child who came out to wonder. Something about her choice to perform there is very cool karma. The last verse of the song happened to me the other day: I'd like to buy you everythingA wooden bird with painted wingsA window full of colored ringsIn Morning Morgantown The other day my family ate at a nice restaurant and the waitress came up after the meal and said our bill was taken care of by a lady who wanted to do something nice for somebody. She bought us everything... Love,Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:57:46 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare Haha I thought I might pipe up about this. I quite like the 'drama' of the song, if you can call it a song, more like an audioscape, and yes more like a nightmare than a dream but I guess that's the point, n'est pas? Most of CMIARS is best listened to through headphones and this is a prime example, just for the layering of voices and the whisperings of infomercials and the snippets of conversations from characters that she has chosen as her job as 'collage-ist'. I wish she had gone a bit further with it though to make it a more 'whole' song but you can't criticise her for wanting to experiment, I guess. All the people are 'happy' but all are wanting, all seem rich, yet wanting. Now that most of us are living in the 'dreary gap between what we have now, and what we wish we could have' I think this holds it's own. Yes we don't need a rich tree-hugger to tell us what to do, but knowing that she prefers the simpler life (despite her 'rich person's problems') and holes herself up in the Canadian backwoods every so often, the song comes from that heart. But someone has to drive industry, we all can't live off the land and be ascetics can we? Or can we? Isn't there some other way? Who cares! Much Joni Jamie Zooby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:10:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare A very nice defence, Zoob - of course I didn't even mention that "Reoccuring" isn't even a REAL word - "Recurring" would be the correct choice but it doesn't have the correct number of symbols to allow it to scan properly in the song, so we get this additional letter. I'll let Ogden Nash & Dr. Seuss invent language all day long but I hold Joni to a higher vocabulary standard. Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Foggy River" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:31:20 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare Yes, it's the additional syllable that makes the line scan to the music. She does it every so often, especially more recently, as in 'Magdalene Laund-e-ries'. Laziness? Or having to make the line work? (Personally, I might have hyphenated 're-occurring' but only because I get just as anal about grammar and spelling. Not that re-occuring is a word either, but it would have satisfied the horn-rimmed glasses person in me.) Perhaps she just liked the sound it made. Re-oh-curring dream. Rather than - 'This is the one recurring dream' (for example). Zooby 2009/8/4 > > A very nice defence, Zoob - of course I didn't even mention that > "Reoccuring" isn't even a REAL word - "Recurring" would be the correct > choice but it doesn't have the correct number of symbols to allow it to scan > properly in the song, so we get this additional letter. I'll let Ogden Nash > & Dr. Seuss invent language all day long but I hold Joni to a higher > vocabulary standard. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:46:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare Well, Klein co-wrote it - maybe we can just blame him for that word. Maybe THAT'S what split them up. :o) It does seem odd though for a Joni song, when her earlier years had so many songs where she could make the scan work ("I don't want anyone coming over to my table I got nuthin' to talk to anybody about") sung in about five syllables or so. In the case of Magdalene Laundries, she spells it correctly so I don't categorize it the same way, plus lots of people pronounce it "laun-da-ry", like "realtor" vs. "relator". Bob NP: Roxana Amed, "Limbo" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:09:09 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: John Kelly at Castle Clinton doing Court & Spark After giving this much thought, I don't think I'm going to try to attend. First of all, we've got to take the LIRR to Penn Station, then a subway to Battery Park to stand on line for tickets (what, an hour at least?) I doubt we'd be so late as to not get any tickets but, if we were, we'd have wasted the money on the train & subway & still not seen the show. Also, if we DO get tickets and there are not enough seats, I can't stand for an entire concert (sciatica) so that's a problem. I left my phone number on an answer machine for the venue asking about seats and no one even called me back. If they had handled this thing properly, they would have made (the limited) tickets available through the internet so people wouldn't have to attempt to go (travel to lower Manhattan, stand in line an hour or more, then wait an additional hour before the doors open, then wait another hour before the show starts) only to find they may not even be able to get into the show. As much as I love Joni and Court & Spark in particular, I'll pass on this one. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:23:20 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Reoccurring Nightmare - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Well, Klein co-wrote it - maybe we can just blame him for that word. > Maybe > THAT'S what split them up. :o) > Yes, we know, Klein ruined Joni's music. That's why she kept him on as a basist and collaborator for so long after they divorced. > In the case of Magdalene Laundries, she spells it correctly so I > don't > categorize it the same way, plus lots of people pronounce it > "laun-da-ry", > like "realtor" vs. "relator". and then there's: I went shopping today for joo-oo-wuls The wind rushed around in the dirty town And the children let out from the schoo-oo-wuls Joni herself has expressed disatisfaction with that particular rhyme scheme at one time or another if I'm not mistaken. And I may be because I'm too lazy to research the exact article or quote. Music is music and grammar is grammar. Pronuciation, enunciation, ANTICIPA-A-A-SHUN is making me late getting up in the morning. I just can't sleep for thinking about it! (Sneaking some Carly in there because I do love her and I think she has a larger catalogue of fine songs than Carole King who petered out after 'Rhymes and Reasons' if you ask me.) Joni herself said 'I am not some stone commission like a statue in a park/I am flesh and blood and vision/I am howling in the dark.' Brilliant, she is. Human, as well. Perfect, she is not. Sometimes a sound in a word may fit a lyric (or a melody) better if it's altered slightly and why shouldn't Joni bend a word a little now and then for the sake of the whole? Singer's bend notes all the time and the results can be sublime. Or they can be American Idol where the singers who make it into the finals all sound like they came from the same cookie cutter to me. But that's just me. And I'm with Jamie on 'The Re-occuring Dream'. Certainly not a hummable tune or something you would sing on a hike. But a fascinating and very pointed aural collage that is fitted beatifully together. And I don't care if Joni has more than enough money. That doesn't make her an ad-hooked mass consumer. Sorry, Bob. Had kind of a crappy day at work and I hope you don't take this personally. It's not meant that way. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:56:11 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Our Sherelle in an NPR interview! Dear Joniamigos: Please pardon the lack of an NJC tag on this, but I think everyJonibody will want to know about this. I meant to write about seeing Joni at La Place des Nations 35 years ago tonight, but "Life is what happens when you are making other plans." That can wait. This is much bigger news! Our Sherelle has hit the big time! I already put this on my FB page, but for those who are not there (RR and SS, just "do it"!), voila: I am so excited for my dear Joni friend Sherelle who is in this interview! "From Vladimir Nabokov to Duke Ellington, many of the worlds greatest visual artists, writers and musicians had synesthesia. Although not all synesthetes are artists, there seems to be a fascinating connection between this unique way of perceiving the world and art. Many artists today are see the world as a synesthete. Artist Marcia Smilack and singer/composer Sherelle Smith discuss how they view the world as a synesthete in their art and life." To hear her, and her beautiful song "Do What You Love" in the background, you have to go to the first thing you click on (whatever that's called...the audio link?...just below the title), not the video. Sherelle, ma belle, these are words that go together well! http://www.npr.org/internedition/sum09/?p=173 With tears and fears and feeling proud of Sherelle, and Maggie McNally, too, for her awesome ride against cancer, Patti P. NPIMH: She is so pleased to be A part of the arrangement "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #208 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe