From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 27 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 200 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Book w/ JONI Chapter (The Rock Cries Out) [gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: New Book w/ JONI Chapter (The Rock Cries Out) Thanks, Simon, I found that a really good wee read. I love it when we get some insights into Joni's work other than the usual...which lover was she talking about in this song etc. It had quite a punch to it this chapter. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > Thanks Simon. > > Best > > Paz > > > On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:37 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > i recently came across an interesting book. > > author Steve Stockman offers 'Spiritual Insights' on the music > of Radiohead, Joni Mitchell, Lauren Hill, Bruce Springsteen and more. > > perhaps some of the folk will find it worth their time. > > > The Rock Cries Out: Discovering Eternal Truth In Unlikely Music > > by Steve Stockman > > > here's a description from amazon.com > > PRODUCT DESCRIPTION > Steve Stockman essays the music of 13 artists who have never made any > Christian profession but whose work is undergirded with issues, > questions > and solutions that seem to be very much biblical. From The Beatles to > Springsteen, Marley to Radiohead, there is biting spiritual insight and > challenge between the lines. Could God be speaking in these unlikely > places? > Are we listening? > > > you can download the Joni chapter "We've Got To Get Ourselves Back To > The Garden" > via YouSendIt at the following URL: > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simon > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm > http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm > http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm > http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm > http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_albums.cfm > > "When humans take the strength of their belief and ease it across > the thin line to absolute knowledge, then arrogance can lead to all > kinds of things being done in the name of God." > > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:00:58 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: PS: Health Care & We The People RE: Universal Health Care 1st paragraph - The Constitution of The United States. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." let's see ... 1. PROMOTE the General Welfare ? 2. SECURE the Blessings of Liberty ... ? sounds like Universal Health Care to me. sounds like Universal Health Care 'as a Right!' yet we don't have it, and aren't likely to get it. andmoreagain - - - - - - - - - - simon http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_albums.cfm "When humans take the strength of their belief and ease it across the thin line to absolute knowledge, then arrogance can lead to all kinds of things being done in the name of God." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:00:10 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Universal Health Care? Damn Straight! David Eoll wrote ... > A conservative cousin of mine (most of my extended > family are Republicans) recently quipped, "if you are > unsure about how poor a choice universal healthcare > is ask a Canadian". > > Okay. So... I'm asking. > > I'm asking here specifically because I know a lot of > folks on this list are north of the border. Although > my mind is already pretty much made up on the > issue, I am NOT asking rhetorically. Canadian > healthcare vs US healthcare, compare and contrast. > Honest opinions are what I'm looking for. Bonus points > if you've had experience with both systems. it's interesting to note, none of the critics ever suggests a realistic alternative that addresses the needs of those without HealthCare coverage. they seem perfectly wiling to accept the status quo. perhaps the following will be informative and interesting to JMDL members. - - - - - - - - - - - - - SOAPBOX: Not Another Health Care Soapbox! By Don Mayer, don@smalldog.com *START SOAPBOX* Yes, I can't help it. I noticed that there are now TV commercials from special interest groups that are once again trying to scare people about health care reform. President Obama is correct in saying that without real health care reform there cannot be a true economic recovery. While the car companies may have failed because they were making the wrong cars, they also had the enormous burden of health care for their current and retired employees. So great was this burden that health care expense represented more in the price of a car than steel. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights that was passed unanimously by the UN stated that health care was a basic human right: Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection. I truly believe that health care is a basic human right. Of the 27 industrialized nations in the world, 26 provide universal health care for its citizens. The one that does not? Yes, that's right, the USA. While we have the most expensive health care system in the world, we lag behind other countries in areas such as infant mortality, breast cancer screening, childhood leukemia and heart attack survival rates. We pay over twice what other countries with universal health care pay and yet, we do not get our money's worth. Worse yet, millions have no insurance or coverage in our country and many millions more are "under insured." These under insured are often ignored in the system. The natural result of the rapidly escalating cost of health insurance is the flight to very high deductible plans or health care savings accounts, both of which provide a disincentive to seek preventative care and screenings. We are setting ourselves up for a more costly health care time bomb when unscreened individuals discover the hard way that they have diabetes, high blood pressure or other chronic diseases. The payer of last resort has always been employee-sponsored health insurance. Our surveys show that this fragile leg of the system we call health care in our country is crumbling as employers drop coverage, move more costs to their employees or go to very high deductibles and co-pays. This has been a slow train coming for decades. The rate of increase of health insurance has made employer-sponsored health care unsustainable. When I first started in business, I could buy health insurance for a family for about $1500; now it costs $15,000. No longer are decisions about hiring new employees solely made by opportunity and business plans--if you are an employer that does the right thing by providing this benefit for your workers, you must also consider the astronomical cost of health insurance. These employers are also put between a rock and a hard place as they have a competitive disadvantage in bidding for business when providing this benefit is voluntary and the competitor has a lower overhead structure by not providing health insurance to their employees in the race to the bottom. This is why I am an advocate for a publicly-financed universal health care system. You may call that a "single-payer" system, but I really do not care if there is one payer or ten payers--I want the burden of health care lifted from employers and recognized as the "common good" that it truly is. I want us to put the sentiment that our country voted for in the UN into law--access to health care is a human right! *END SOAPBOX* andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - - simon http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_albums.cfm "When humans take the strength of their belief and ease it across the thin line to absolute knowledge, then arrogance can lead to all kinds of things being done in the name of God." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:43:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: New Book w/ JONI Chapter (The Rock Cries Out) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: New Book w/ JONI Chapter (The Rock Cries Out) >i recently came across an interesting book. > > author Steve Stockman offers 'Spiritual Insights' on the music > of Radiohead, Joni Mitchell, Lauren Hill, Bruce Springsteen and > more. > > perhaps some of the folk will find it worth their time. > > > The Rock Cries Out: Discovering Eternal Truth In Unlikely Music > > by Steve Stockman > you can download the Joni chapter "We've Got To Get Ourselves Back > To > The Garden" > via YouSendIt at the following URL: > This is very interesting reading and I don't think it can be denied that there is a spiritual thread that runs throughout Joni's oeuvre. But there is what I think is a glaring error in Mr. Stockman's analysis of 'The Three Great Stimulants'. He gives the lyric as 'avarice, brutality and innocence'. It should be 'artifice, brutality and innocence'. Artifice is an entirely different thing from avarice and changes the meaning significantly. I think Joni admires much in the teachings of Jesus. But I think she also admires the teachings of many other prophets & religions and Mr. Stockman himself quotes her as saying 'I've never been an atheist although I can't say what orthodoxy I belong to.' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #200 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe