From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 28 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Why don't boys like Joni? [Paul Castle ] Re: Why don't boys like Joni? [gerard mclaughlin ] The Dawntreader Song and Cosby's Ship for Sale [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Why don't boys like Joni? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Why don't boys like Joni? [Mags ] Re: Why don't boys like Joni? ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Male equivalent of Joni ["Cassy" ] Re: Male equivalent of Joni [Em ] Re: Why don't boys like Joni? [Kate Johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:28:37 +0100 From: Paul Castle Subject: Why don't boys like Joni? All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought I'd throw in this contentious little blog post I've been reading on UK music magazine The Word's site - >Why don't boys like Joni? >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, you're spouting arrant bollockry here". very best PaulC NP Gillian by Ane Brun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:29:22 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? Seems like boys like Joni well enough from reading the comments, some of which were very amusing, Thanks for the post. Most enjoyable. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought > I'd throw in this contentious little blog post > I've been reading on UK music magazine > The Word's site - > > >Why don't boys like Joni? > > >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. > > http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni > > Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly > like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, > you're spouting arrant bollockry here". > > very best > PaulC > > NP Gillian by Ane Brun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:35:55 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: The Dawntreader Song and Cosby's Ship for Sale A sail and a sale! Ran across this, this a.m. David Crosby puts The Mayan up for sale. Actually this was posted in March..... may already be gone. See 40 photos of the ship here: http://www.luxist.com/2009/03/10/classic-rocker-david-crosby-puts-yacht-up-for-sale/ An interesting note in the book Crosby, Stills & Nash by David Zimmer on page 63 and 64 Joni is quoted: "At that time he was thinking about what to call his boat. The name of it, when he purchased it, was The Mayan, which he kept. I liked Dawntreader which comes from a Children's fairy tale about a boat that sails off the edge of the earth - assuming that it's flat - and goes on some beautiful trip. That was my suggestion and the music of 'The Dawntreader' curves and undulates like a boat on water." FYI: According to this book Crosby paid $22,000. for it in 1967. Laura NJC below........but you can do some chicken scratching at KFC All participating Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) locations nationwide will be giving away a FREE PIECE OF CHICKEN! "In a promotion to "Unthink" fried chicken and appeal to customers who are interested in fewer calories, KFC is promoting their new grilled chicken by giving away -- absolutely free -- one piece of chicken per person. According to a chain spokesman, the ''free piece selection is at manager's choice and may vary by location.'' The offer runs all day long. Find a store here: http://www.kfc.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? Agreed. Particularly liked the word "bollockry." It's interesting how we all think boys don't like Joni until someone comes out and makes a statement that they don't and then a bunch of boys pipe up and say, "Yes, we do." However, I see the writer's point. I think that many of the rock/music writers do have an overly macho vision of what "good" music is and write from that perspective and dismiss an entire sex, leaving our Joan out. - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, gerard mclaughlin wrote: From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? To: "Paul Castle" Cc: joni@smoe.org Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 7:29 AM Seems like boys like Joni well enough from reading the comments, some of which were very amusing, Thanks for the post. Most enjoyable. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Paul Castle wrote: > All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought > I'd throw in this contentious little blog post > I've been reading on UK music magazine > The Word's site - > > >Why don't boys like Joni? > > >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. > > http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni > > Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly > like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, > you're spouting arrant bollockry here". > > very best > PaulC > > NP Gillian by Ane Brun __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? hey Paul, thanks for the very entertaining read. Food for thought, for certain. Johnny Mitchell. Well, methinks that Joni often expressed that girls in the bizz had to work a lot harder. Of course, gender plays a role in perception. How could it not? Perhaps you could post a link on that blog to 'here' and let the games begin. ;-) Mags - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Paul Castle wrote: From: Paul Castle Subject: Why don't boys like Joni? To: joni@smoe.org Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 5:28 AM All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought I'd throw in this contentious little blog post I've been reading on UK music magazine The Word's site - >Why don't boys like Joni? >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, you're spouting arrant bollockry here". very best PaulC NP Gillian by Ane Brun __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer. 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:42:13 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? Well, I always liked Joni going back to the first time I heard her music back in 1969 or 70. But then again, I tried taking a Women's Studies class in college, at least until one woman objected to the presence of a man in the class. I even campaigned for the Equal Rights Amendment. This failed after people claimed that passing the amendment would lead to unisex bathrooms. On the way down to the state capitol, our bus stopped at a truck stop and everyone got out to make a pit stop. Next thing I know, the ladies took over the men's room (with men still in it) as theirs was overcrowded. So that was the only unisex bathroom I ever saw. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:08:42 +0100 From: "John McGloin" Subject: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? Johnny Mitchell? I think that missing bit of DNA and the testosterone would have loused things up. I happen to agree with Julian who gives the Court and Spark to Shadows and Light as his favourite sequence of albums. As we're talking about male Joni Mitchells, which performer comes nearest to being a male equivalent of Joni (tough one I know as she's unique). My suggestion would be John Martyn. Cheers John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: 27 April 2009 10:29 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Why don't boys like Joni? All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought I'd throw in this contentious little blog post I've been reading on UK music magazine The Word's site - >Why don't boys like Joni? >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, you're spouting arrant bollockry here". very best PaulC NP Gillian by Ane Brun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:12:10 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? I'd go for a cross here; John Martyn and Nick Cave. We could call him Johnny Cave or Nicki Martyn perhaps. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:08 PM, John McGloin wrote: > Johnny Mitchell? I think that missing bit of DNA and the testosterone would > have loused things up. I happen to agree with Julian who gives the Court > and > Spark to Shadows and Light as his favourite sequence of albums. > As we're talking about male Joni Mitchells, which performer comes nearest > to > being a male equivalent of Joni (tough one I know as she's unique). My > suggestion would be John Martyn. > Cheers > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of > Paul Castle > Sent: 27 April 2009 10:29 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Why don't boys like Joni? > > All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought > I'd throw in this contentious little blog post > I've been reading on UK music magazine > The Word's site - > > >Why don't boys like Joni? > > >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. > > http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni > > Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly > like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, > you're spouting arrant bollockry here". > > very best > PaulC > > NP Gillian by Ane Brun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? I cannot compare Joni to any male singer-songwriter because each of my favorite male artists means something special to me that there can be no comparisons, especially Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, Ruben Blades, Warren Zevon and of course, Ry Cooder. Then, there are more like Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp and just thinking my mind starts to see-saw. Maybe, Tom Waits, somehow. My son, however, has expressed to me on several occasions that he feels that if Jeff Buckley lived on, he would have gone on to become the male Joni Mitchell of our times. Jeannie - --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John McGloin wrote: From: John McGloin Subject: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? To: joni@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:08 PM Johnny Mitchell? I think that missing bit of DNA and the testosterone would have loused things up. I happen to agree with Julian who gives the Court and Spark to Shadows and Light as his favourite sequence of albums. As we're talking about male Joni Mitchells, which performer comes nearest to being a male equivalent of Joni (tough one I know as she's unique). My suggestion would be John Martyn. Cheers John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: 27 April 2009 10:29 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Why don't boys like Joni? All quiet on the Joni front today so I thought I'd throw in this contentious little blog post I've been reading on UK music magazine The Word's site - >Why don't boys like Joni? >What if Joni had been John? Johnny Mitchell, say. Mitch Jones. http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni Plenty of interesting readers' comments at the bottom - particularly like the phrase used in one of them - "with the greatest of respect, you're spouting arrant bollockry here". very best PaulC NP Gillian by Ane Brun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:23:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: FW: Why don't boys like Joni? That's who came to mind for me as well, Jeannie - in terms of evolution from a stripped-down singer-songwriter format to a more complex composer, working across several genres and even some that Joni hasn't ventured into. Of course, they are both lyrically brilliant. Even with that though, I wouldn't say that there's a 'male Joni'. 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He did bare himself in his music and his cover of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" moves me so much I can't put the feelings it evokes in me into words, I just cry when I listen. Joni does that for me too. http://music.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,2079313,00.html No matter the emotion I'm feeling at any given time I can play a Joni song that encompasses what it is I have inside me. John Mellencamp does that for me too sometimes even though he's not delved into as many musical forms as Joni. He has been experimental in his own way but he's moved in an opposite direction to Joni, he's moved from electric rock back to the roots of folk music. Either way it shows musical growth and a willingness to try something different, damn the critics! Warmly, Cassy NP: Del Amitri - Being Somebody Else ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Male equivalent of Joni I've always thought of Neil Young that way. So many parallels in their childhoods. And both can cut to the bone with their songs and both have a nearly oddball, but fascinating, way of singing. (AND playing guitar) Both almost totally original in the way they approached crafting songs. At least up through the first handful of albums. Both had good-sized backlogs of EXCELLENT songs already written before they even got record deals. I see them as a pair of bookends. And if Neil were a blond fellow or Joni a dark haired woman they could even be said to match that way, too. (if you blur your eyes, lol) Where the paths really diverged was when Neil went country and Joni went jazz. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:02:54 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Why don't boys like Joni? I played some Joni for a Russian friend once, who thought I'd said "Johnny" Mitchell. He was not impressed. When I clarified that it was "Joni," a woman, he thought she was all right. :) Kate http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com Life at Golden Grain Farm ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #115 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe