From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 9 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 098 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tin Angel & Clouds [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Tin Angel & Clouds [gerard mclaughlin ] Re: Tin Angel [Laura Stanley ] Re: Tin Angel [Laura Stanley ] Re: Tin Angel [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Re: Tin Angel [Laura Stanley ] Re: Tin Angel [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tin Angel/That Song About The Midway [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: Tin Angel [Catherine McKay ] RE: Tin Angel ["Richard Flynn" ] Wild Things Run Fast ["Cassy" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast [Bob Muller ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:08:41 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Tin Angel & Clouds Thanks to all for the discussion on Tin Angel started by Monika. I must listen to that song again. Unfortunately 'Clouds' is the only JM album I've ever given away and not missed. There's something 'precious' in the way she sings on that album that made me cringe when I first heard it. (And the early version of BSN seemed a bit throwaway - the orchestral version was a total revelation). I seem to remember Joni explaining in some interview that she'd smoothed out her singing style or her enunciation to sing with CSNY (as they did themselves to produce a more unified sound, like a choir) - which is fair enough, but for me it took the sincerity out of her vocals, which is her hallmark if anything is. But looks as if I've dismissed some good songs too fast! So back to Clouds I'll go. Thanks for the push. Mich. _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place  Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:29:27 +0100 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: Tin Angel & Clouds It's worth keeping for the painting on the cover alone! The eyes say everything that the songs say.Joni wasnt kidding when she said " I can't conceal emotion, what I'm feeling's always written on my face."I think when you go back to it, Michel you will hear it differently now with the exception of BSN which only becomes "real" on Miles of Aisles and later again in 2000 when it is I agree a revelation.My introduction to Joni was with Miles of Aisles and when I retraced her steps and heard all those songs on the original records I was often disappointed at how hollow they felt by comparison eg For Free with its jewels and skooels but that was then and actually some of the songs like Tin Angel, Michael from Mountains, Marcie and a whole load of others are wonderfu-el. She did say that she tried hard to enunciate like the boys and that she saw herself as no more than a competent mimic. Within all that though theres still nobody does it better and cringe though you will there are a lot of breathing spaces and a lot of places where she takes you soaring up there with her then she swoops you down to eat or rest away from the waves.Its well worth a re-visit Give it a go.There's treasure to be found among all those sunken galleons and blue medallions. yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.Enjoy! On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Michel BYRNE wrote: > Thanks to all for the discussion on Tin Angel started by Monika. I must > listen > to that song again. Unfortunately 'Clouds' is the only JM album I've ever > given away and not missed. There's something 'precious' in the way she > sings > on that album that made me cringe when I first heard it. (And the early > version of BSN seemed a bit throwaway - the orchestral version was a total > revelation). I seem to remember Joni explaining in some interview that > she'd > smoothed out her singing style or her enunciation to sing with CSNY (as > they > did themselves to produce a more unified sound, like a choir) - which is > fair > enough, but for me it took the sincerity out of her vocals, which is her > hallmark if anything is. But looks as if I've dismissed some good songs too > fast! So back to Clouds I'll go. Thanks for the push. > Mich. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Tin Angel Rian wrote: Err... This is one of my least played Joni track... Rian going to vote tomorrow Hi Rian, If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to get into Tin Angel. Listen to it 10 times tonight and call me in the morning. Love, Dr. Laura (for you) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Tin Angel anon anon wrote: clouds is an underrated work of art imo. there are some real gems on that album... Hi AA, At first glance, I read "... there are some real guns on that album..." Clouds was the first Joni album I bought for myself. It holds a special place in my heart. It will always trigger warmth in me. Love, Laura (going to see an optometrist today) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:31:26 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Tin Angel It has to be said that 'Clouds' is one of my least favourite Joni albums with it's most hippie-like subject matters and imagery but it does have some gems. Tin Angel is one of them. I Think I Understand being the other. And perhaps maybe some other song about clouds and having seen them on both sides. Now I can't remember what that song is called... On another note, I will be seeing clouds, from both sides tomorrow as I fly to Nepal to trek up Everest to raise money for charity. Should anyone be feeling like donating please go to http://www.justgiving.com/zooby So long for the time being. I will be twittering my experiences on Everest so if you'd like to follow me there it's http://twitter.com/jamiezoob Much Joni and wish me luck Zooby 2009/4/8 Laura Stanley > Rian wrote: > > Err... > This is one of my least played Joni track... > > > Rian > going to vote tomorrow > > > Hi Rian, > > If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to get into Tin Angel. > Listen to it 10 times tonight and call me in the morning. > > Love, > Dr. Laura (for you) > - -- Feel like supporting a World Record Attempt while giving to charity? go to: http://www.justgiving.com/zooby Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 agent: http://www.pelhamassociates.co.uk 01273 323 010 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! Everest Blog: http://jamiezubairi.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Tin Angel Hi Jamie, Happy climbing! Be safe! Love, Laura - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: On another note, I will be seeing clouds, from both sides tomorrow as I fly to Nepal to trek up Everest to raise money for charity. Should anyone be feeling like donating please go to http://www.justgiving.com/zooby So long for the time being. I will be twittering my experiences on Everest so if you'd like to follow me there it's http://twitter.com/jamiezoob Much Joni and wish me luck Zooby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tin Angel "Clouds" (the album) holds a weird place in my heart, or a place in my weird heart, if you prefer. It is an album I have absolutely NOT listened to in years, although I did buy a CD version of it, as I no longer have LPs, and I think it's on my i-pod. Most of the songs on it, I would not choose to listen to and yet, if I happened to hear them randomly somewhere, I'd be happy to hear them, including the overplayed and overcovered "Both sides now". I think that "Tin Angel" and "I don't know where I stand" would be songs I would choose to listen to. As well, I've always liked "I don't know where I stand" and "That song about the midway." These are some of the first Joni songs I learned to play, so there's definitely some sentimental value for me, despite my efforts at beating sentimentality back into its satin boxes. A lot of the songs on that album do come across as precious now, but I was a teenager when I first heard them and preciousness was the order of the day back then, including dotting the letter i with a circle or a flower. Gag! Jamie, have a great time in the clouds. As for me, je ne twittere pas, because it sounds too precious for me. - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > From: Jamie Zubairi Home > Subject: Re: Tin Angel > To: "Laura Stanley" > Cc: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:31 AM > It has to be said that 'Clouds' is > one of my least favourite Joni albums > with it's most hippie-like subject matters and imagery but > it does have some > gems. Tin Angel is one of them. I Think I Understand being > the other. And > perhaps maybe some other song about clouds and having seen > them on both > sides. Now I can't remember what that song is called... > On another note, I will be seeing clouds, from both sides > tomorrow as I fly > to Nepal to trek up Everest to raise money for charity. > Should anyone be > feeling like donating please go to http://www.justgiving.com/zooby > > So long for the time being. I will be twittering my > experiences on Everest > so if you'd like to follow me there it's http://twitter.com/jamiezoob > > Much Joni and wish me luck > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Tin Angel/That Song About The Midway I love That Song About The Midway. That is DEFINITELY one of my favorites off of Clouds. Beautifully sung, beautiful melody, beautiful guitar, you see the one word that gets repeated? Describes it all. Unlike Tin Angel, I loved That Song About The Midway right from the start. I even remember listening to it for the first time and being blown away. I couldn't believe it! - -Monika - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Catherine McKay wrote: "Clouds" (the album) holds a weird place in my heart, or a place in my weird heart, if you prefer. It is an album I have absolutely NOT listened to in years, although I did buy a CD version of it, as I no longer have LPs, and I think it's on my i-pod. Most of the songs on it, I would not choose to listen to and yet, if I happened to hear them randomly somewhere, I'd be happy to hear them, including the overplayed and overcovered "Both sides now". I think that "Tin Angel" and "I don't know where I stand" would be songs I would choose to listen to. As well, I've always liked "I don't know where I stand" and "That song about the midway." These are some of the first Joni songs I learned to play, so there's definitely some sentimental value for me, despite my efforts at beating sentimentality back into its satin boxes. A lot of the songs on that album do come across as precious now, but I was a teenager when I first heard them and preciousness was the order of the day back then, including dotting the letter i with a circle or a flower. Gag! Jamie, have a great time in the clouds. As for me, je ne twittere pas, because it sounds too precious for me. - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > From: Jamie Zubairi Home > Subject: Re: Tin Angel > To: "Laura Stanley" > Cc: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:31 AM > It has to be said that 'Clouds' is > one of my least favourite Joni albums > with it's most hippie-like subject matters and imagery but > it does have some > gems. Tin Angel is one of them. I Think I Understand being > the other. And > perhaps maybe some other song about clouds and having seen > them on both > sides. Now I can't remember what that song is called... > On another note, I will be seeing clouds, from both sides > tomorrow as I fly > to Nepal to trek up Everest to raise money for charity. > Should anyone be > feeling like donating please go to http://www.justgiving.com/zooby > > So long for the time being. I will be twittering my > experiences on Everest > so if you'd like to follow me there it's http://twitter.com/jamiezoob > > Much Joni and wish me luck > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tin Angel - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Catherine McKay wrote: I think that "Tin Angel" and "I don't know where > I stand" would be songs I would choose to listen to. As > well, I've always liked "I don't know where I stand" and > "That song about the midway." For the second "I don't know where I stand," I meant "I think I understand." I never realized until just now how similar the song titles are. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Tin Angel - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Richard Flynn wrote: > "That Song About the Midway" is a > masterpiece. I don't really understand > why Clouds wouldn't be high on anyone's list. "Chelsea > Morning?" "The > Fiddle and the Drum?" The only reason I don't listen to it > more often is > that it is indelibly etched in my musical unconscious. I find "The Fiddle and the Drum" really hard to listen to. I don't know if it's the a capella-ness of it, or the subject matter. It works extremely well in the context of the ballet. "Chelsea Morning" is lots of fun and I like the guitar on it as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:26:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Tin Angel "That Song About the Midway" is a masterpiece. I don't really understand why Clouds wouldn't be high on anyone's list. "Chelsea Morning?" "The Fiddle and the Drum?" The only reason I don't listen to it more often is that it is indelibly etched in my musical unconscious. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:05 AM > To: Jamie Zubairi Home > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Tin Angel > > "Clouds" (the album) holds a weird place in my heart, or a place in my > weird heart, if you prefer. It is an album I have absolutely NOT listened > to in years, although I did buy a CD version of it, as I no longer have > LPs, and I think it's on my i-pod. Most of the songs on it, I would not > choose to listen to and yet, if I happened to hear them randomly > somewhere, I'd be happy to hear them, including the overplayed and > overcovered "Both sides now". I think that "Tin Angel" and "I don't know > where I stand" would be songs I would choose to listen to. As well, I've > always liked "I don't know where I stand" and "That song about the > midway." These are some of the first Joni songs I learned to play, so > there's definitely some sentimental value for me, despite my efforts at > beating sentimentality back into its satin boxes. > > A lot of the songs on that album do come across as precious now, but I was > a teenager when I first heard them and preciousness was the order of the > day back then, including dotting the letter i with a circle or a flower. > Gag! > > Jamie, have a great time in the clouds. As for me, je ne twittere pas, > because it sounds too precious for me. > > --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Jamie Zubairi Home wrote: > > > From: Jamie Zubairi Home > > Subject: Re: Tin Angel > > To: "Laura Stanley" > > Cc: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org > > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:31 AM > > It has to be said that 'Clouds' is > > one of my least favourite Joni albums > > with it's most hippie-like subject matters and imagery but > > it does have some > > gems. Tin Angel is one of them. I Think I Understand being > > the other. And > > perhaps maybe some other song about clouds and having seen > > them on both > > sides. Now I can't remember what that song is called... > > On another note, I will be seeing clouds, from both sides > > tomorrow as I fly > > to Nepal to trek up Everest to raise money for charity. > > Should anyone be > > feeling like donating please go to http://www.justgiving.com/zooby > > > > So long for the time being. I will be twittering my > > experiences on Everest > > so if you'd like to follow me there it's http://twitter.com/jamiezoob > > > > Much Joni and wish me luck > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:40:44 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Wild Things Run Fast From: "T Peckham" <<< (I must confess that I haven't heard the record in its entirety in about 20 years, as I have only the original album and no current means to convert it to disc, and used cd copies start at $30 at amazon and the like. [Hel*lo*, reissue it!!] ). >>> Interestingly (or not) I've had a variety of turntables for years (currently a USB model) and play my much cared for vinyl regularly. When I was ready to convert all my Joni records to CDs for my collection, I couldn't find a copy of Wild Things Run Fast to upgrade to, I didn't know why. I've hunted for it on and off over the years whenever I'm in a used music store but had not been able to find a copy. Jogged by your post, I began searching again. You were absolutely correct that used copies online (Amazon) begin at $30 so I went to eBay and found it for 5.99 pounds from an English seller, it is a brand new copy in cellophane and I'm looking forward to finally having it on CD. Now if only I could hurry the post. Thanks for jogging my memory. Cassy NP: Fresh Air - Leonard Cohen, Zen and the Art of Songwriting. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102692227&ft=1&f=15392685 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast That took me by surprise as well, Cassy - had no idea that it was out of print but I did see a copy or 2 on ebay for a reasonable price ($7-$8). Joni would be happy to see that one of her 80's Geffen records is commanding such an impressive price! I was at my local record store Tuesday (getting the new Hold Steady live album) and looked through the used bins. Under Joni they had Blue, Shine & Hejira. If I ever see a copy of WTRF I'll pick it up. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "And She Was" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? I just checked amazon.ca and they have used copies selling for $68.95 up. It may be out of print because it's part of the Geffen box set - while that doesn't seem to be available at amazon.ca, amazon.com has it listed at $59.98. While searching amazon.ca, I came across a new book due out in 2010. If this has been mentioned before, I missed it. It's called "Reckless Daughter: a portrait of Joni Mitchell," by David Yaffe and it says it's due out Oct 15, 2010 in hard cover and a week before in paperback. David Yaffe is a professor of English at Syracuse University and has another book called "Fascinating Rhythm: Reading Jazz in American Writing. This sounds like it could be an interesting read: http://www.amazon.ca/Reckless-Daughter-Portrait-Joni-Mitchell/dp/1554681030/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239216843&sr=8-45 - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Bob Muller wrote: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast > To: "Cassy" , "T Peckham" , "JMDL" > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:55 PM > That took me by surprise as well, > Cassy - had no idea that it was out of print but I did see a > copy or 2 on ebay for a reasonable price ($7-$8). > > Joni would be happy to see that one of her 80's Geffen > records is commanding such an impressive price! > > I was at my local record store Tuesday (getting the new > Hold Steady live album) and looked through the used bins. > Under Joni they had Blue, Shine & Hejira. If I ever see > a copy of WTRF I'll pick it up. > > Bob > > NP: Talking Heads, "And She Was" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:16:02 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > I just checked amazon.ca and they have used copies selling for $68.95 > up. > > It may be out of print because it's part of the Geffen box set - > while that doesn't seem to be available at amazon.ca, amazon.com has > it listed at $59.98. It's NOT out of print in Germany: http://tinyurl.com/cknbpe 10 EUR = 13 $ moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:23:44 +0000 (UTC) From: rflynn@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? I know David Yaffe personally---I expect this to be a very good book. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Cassy" , "T Peckham" , "JMDL" , "Bob Muller" Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? I just checked amazon.ca and they have used copies selling for $68.95 up. It may be out of print because it's part of the Geffen box set - while that doesn't seem to be available at amazon.ca, amazon.com has it listed at $59.98. While searching amazon.ca, I came across a new book due out in 2010. If this has been mentioned before, I missed it. It's called "Reckless Daughter: a portrait of Joni Mitchell," by David Yaffe and it says it's due out Oct 15, 2010 in hard cover and a week before in paperback. David Yaffe is a professor of English at Syracuse University and has another book called "Fascinating Rhythm: Reading Jazz in American Writing. This sounds like it could be an interesting read: http://www.amazon.ca/Reckless-Daughter-Portrait-Joni-Mitchell/dp/1554681030/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239216843&sr=8-45 - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Bob Muller wrote: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast > To: "Cassy" , "T Peckham" , "JMDL" > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 1:55 PM > That took me by surprise as well, > Cassy - had no idea that it was out of print but I did see a > copy or 2 on ebay for a reasonable price ($7-$8). > > Joni would be happy to see that one of her 80's Geffen > records is commanding such an impressive price! > > I was at my local record store Tuesday (getting the new > Hold Steady live album) and looked through the used bins. > Under Joni they had Blue, Shine & Hejira. If I ever see > a copy of WTRF I'll pick it up. > > Bob > > NP: Talking Heads, "And She Was" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast and a new Joni book? It pays to do research but it pays more to have friends all over the world. At 10 euro plus shipping and handling, that is a bargain. - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Moni Kellermann wrote: > It's NOT out of print in Germany: > > http://tinyurl.com/cknbpe > > 10 EUR = 13 $ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast Yes Cassy - I too have never been without a turntable - vinyl keeps on coming back! In fact I got a new one (turntable) for Christmas that you can copy from vinyl to CD and it was not that expensive! I have WTRF on vinyl and my faves are - since I missed posting earlier on this thread ...Moon At The Window and You Dream Flat Tires and Chinese Cafe are my faves. I also like Solid Love and Be Cool. Is it my favorite Joni? No but it is about in the middle - mostly because - DED and CMIARS take up soo much of the bottom! Ahh I love you Joni but you know how much I love to dis DED! Actually I wonder if it was completely reproduced and minus all the electric synth - Oh I'm only dreaming again. Peace, Susan - --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Cassy wrote: From: Cassy Subject: Wild Things Run Fast To: "T Peckham" , "JMDL" Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:40 PM From: "T Peckham" <<< (I must confess that I haven't heard the record in its entirety in about 20 years, as I have only the original album and no current means to convert it to disc, and used cd copies start at $30 at amazon and the like. [Hel*lo*, reissue it!!] ). >>> Interestingly (or not) I've had a variety of turntables for years (currently a USB model) and play my much cared for vinyl regularly. When I was ready to convert all my Joni records to CDs for my collection, I couldn't find a copy of Wild Things Run Fast to upgrade to, I didn't know why. I've hunted for it on and off over the years whenever I'm in a used music store but had not been able to find a copy. Jogged by your post, I began searching again. You were absolutely correct that used copies online (Amazon) begin at $30 so I went to eBay and found it for 5.99 pounds from an English seller, it is a brand new copy in cellophane and I'm looking forward to finally having it on CD. Now if only I could hurry the post. Thanks for jogging my memory. Cassy NP: Fresh Air - Leonard Cohen, Zen and the Art of Songwriting. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102692227&ft=1&f=1539 2685 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #98 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe