From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 17 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 075 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni in the New Yorker [est86mlm@ameritech.net] SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Could be interesting [Gerald Notaro ] Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni [Cindy Vickery ] wendy and lisa [Mike and Patti Haskins ] Re: Joni in the New Yorker [Deb Messling ] Re: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni [Mags ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Dan Olson ] pronunciation question [Mike Pritchard ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [T Peckham ] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Lieve Reckers <] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [Lieve Reckers <] Re: wendy and lisa [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni [T Peckham ] Re: wendy and lisa [gerard mclaughlin ] the night olivia beat out joni ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:09:01 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head Hi Paul. I'm so pleased no tumours were found. Let me tell you, as a Nurse, a hole in your brain is way better than a growth. You dodged a bullet. I do hope you are on the road to wellness. As for Joni's next album, the deal with Hear Music was for two albums so, I expect there will be another release this year sometime. I've heard nothing official but usually with deals like this, they are spaced out by a year. Take care. Mark in Sydney (New South WALES) NP Great Southern Land (Great Southern Mix) - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:17:22 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, almost a new song. Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. Sometimes that is not even possible. Thanks again for your insights. Mark in Sydney NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:17:25 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni in the New Yorker Vince, Excellent & thoughtful insight. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:20:30 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks, Mark (and Bob and Catherine) for bearing with me and even appreciating my info on the translation. Yes, Mark, it turns out to be a different song, and what makes it strange, besides the different meaning, is that the Swedish lyrics just do not fit the music. - I heard from Rob (thank you, Rob), that Ulf Lundell covered another of Joni's songs, apparently to be found in Bob's cover volume 83. I'm going to check it out. - I know it must be extremely difficult to translate Joni's lyrics, I wouldn't even dare to try although I have done translations for a living, and still do sometimes. It bugs me that people make money off such badly translated lyrics! It's close to being an insult to the artist, imo. And to her fans as well, in this case her Swedish fans. But like Catherine says, it's always better to stick to the original language if you can. Even with the best of translations some meaning gets lost or changed. Still, you can do better or you can do worse - and this was definitely worse. Now, is anybody interested in the re-translation of the whole song? (Just kidding!). Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 16 mars 2009 09:17 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: jmdl LIST Dmne: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, almost a new song. Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. Sometimes that is not even possible. Thanks again for your insights. Mark in Sydney NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:25:29 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: SV: Joni Covers, Volume 36 Oh, don't kid, Marion. I would love a full re-translation. As I said, I find this fascinating. I'd like to see just how twisted Ulf got the song. Does Chelsea even get a mention? Mark in Sydney On 16/03/2009, at 11:20 PM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Thanks, Mark (and Bob and Catherine) for bearing with me and even > appreciating my info on the translation. Yes, Mark, it turns out to > be a > different song, and what makes it strange, besides the different > meaning, is > that the Swedish lyrics just do not fit the music. - I heard from > Rob (thank > you, Rob), that Ulf Lundell covered another of Joni's songs, > apparently to > be found in Bob's cover volume 83. I'm going to check it out. - I > know it > must be extremely difficult to translate Joni's lyrics, I wouldn't > even dare > to try although I have done translations for a living, and still do > sometimes. It bugs me that people make money off such badly translated > lyrics! It's close to being an insult to the artist, imo. And to > her fans as > well, in this case her Swedish fans. But like Catherine says, it's > always > better to stick to the original language if you can. Even with the > best of > translations some meaning gets lost or changed. Still, you can do > better or > you can do worse - and this was definitely worse. > Now, is anybody interested in the re-translation of the whole song? > (Just > kidding!). > Marion > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Mark-Leon > Thorne > Skickat: den 16 mars 2009 09:17 > Till: Marion Leffler > Kopia: jmdl LIST > Dmne: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 36 > > Thanks so much for translating some of these lyrics back again for > us, Marion. I find this fascinating. I would never have known the > difference. It's more like a reinterpretation than a cover. it really > does change the whole atmosphere of the song. That's what Joni's > lyrics are really all about; creating a picture with words and a > feeling. Ulf seems to have created an entirely different picture, > almost a new song. > > Just like Bob, I find Joni's songs in other languages fascinating > but, it's even more interesting to know how they have been translated > and what changes were made. It would take a major talent to translate > one of her songs and maintain the same feeling that Joni created. > Sometimes that is not even possible. > > Thanks again for your insights. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP No Promises - Icehouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:38:02 -0400 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Could be interesting Reading of New Musical *Snow*, with Barzee, Cooper, Greene, Offered March 16 By *Andrew Gans* 16 Mar 2009 A by-invitation-only reading of the new musical *Snow* will be presented in Manhattan March 16. Devanand Janki directs a cast that boasts Anastasia Barzee, Michael Busillo, Brian Myers Cooper, Sevan Greene, F. Michael Haynie, Emma Hunton, Jason Robinson and Gabrielle Stravelli. *Snow* features book, music and lyrics by Sean Hartley. The musical, according to press notes, "tells the bittersweet, funny-sad story of self-discovery of Georgia, a romantic and determined young woman who is pregnant and unmarried, and her best friend, Raven, a young songwriter coming to terms with the fact he is gay. Inspired by Hans Christian Andersen's 'The Snow Queen,' but set in 1969 Greenwich Village, the eventful year that includes the Stonewall Riots, Woodstock and the first moon walk, * Snow* has a guitar based folk-rock score inspired by Joni Mitchell, James Taylor et al." Jihwan Kim is musical director. Dan Acquisto is featured on percussion with Alec Berlin on guitar. - -- Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:10 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni Old news, but new to me... I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris Kristofferson," released 03/2004: ___________________ "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass Chorus: 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' And they're doin' it the best way that they can You're the only one that you are screwin' When you put down what you don't understand" ___________________ I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that I'm crazy about. :) Happy Monday, all - cindy _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker >>>Excellent & thoughtful insight. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=32K4L1GUT7NT8MWAKM783M0176HSAKQB&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-cbpromo&sid=128351&did=4 Laura Like Vince, I've been a regular New Yorker reader for a long time, and I generally agree with all he said. I notice the paisley patterns in the clothing, and wondered if there might be a comment on baby boomers "hanging on to the past" (something EVERY generation does with age), but if there is any kidding going on, it's gentle, tongue-in-cheek kidding, not a nasty attack on anyone. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: wendy and lisa Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ Patti Haskins blog shop photos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:57:27 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker I'm coming into this late, but I'd vote for sweet-happy, and I also wonder if there's an unspoken allusion to "you don't know what you've got til it's gone" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni that's a great find there, Cindy. I love Kris Kristofferson too. I learned a lot about him when I was loaned a collection of DVDs all about John Prine and Kris et al. He's a wonderful writer, and I love that bit in his song about Joni Mitchell. Not a pot smoker, me, but it did make me laugh out loud! ditto, I love it when I hear ... well...what you said. ;-) Mags - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Cindy Vickery wrote: From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni To: joni@smoe.org Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:09 AM Old news, but new to me... I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris Kristofferson," released 03/2004: ___________________ "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass Chorus: 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' And they're doin' it the best way that they can You're the only one that you are screwin' When you put down what you don't understand" ___________________ I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that I'm crazy about. :) Happy Monday, all - cindy _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:31:05 -0500 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Is it too much to ask that if you are going to post a comment, you provide some context as to what you are writing about. In this particular case, what are you referring to? ~Dan On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mags wrote: > > > From: Mags > > > > > I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an > > expert whatsoever on > > the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound > > like it's her. > > > > Mags > > > > > > I read that quote a while ago, probably when I first saw the book, which > was some time in the fall when I went to a lecture that Levitan gave at the > U of T. He was also selling his books (I didn't buy one because you could > get it cheaper elsewhere). I remember thinking it didn't sound like > something Joni would say either. I can see her discussing that topic as > something you couldn't narrow down to six types, but not in that language. > Her words are generally a bit more eloquent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni It was a response to an earlier post by Lieve about Dan Levitan's book "the World in Six Songs" where Joni apparently was quoted saying the idea made her want to vomit (sorry, have deleted the original post, therefore may not be quoting accurately) and later changed her mind. - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Dan Olson wrote: From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: "jonipeople LIST" , "Lieve Reckers" , "Mags" Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:31 AM Is it too much to ask that if you are going to post a comment, you provide some context as to what you are writing about. In this particular case, what are you referring to? ~Dan On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Mags wrote: > From: Mags > > I was surprised to read the comment too. Not that Im an > expert whatsoever on > the language of Joni Mitchell, but this just doesnt sound > like it's her. > > Mags > > I read that quote a while ago, probably when I first saw the book, which was some time in the fall when I went to a lecture that Levitan gave at the U of T. He was also selling his books (I didn't buy one because you could get it cheaper elsewhere). I remember thinking it didn't sound like something Joni would say either. I can see her discussing that topic as something you couldn't narrow down to six types, but not in that language. Her words are generally a bit more eloquent. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Next Album and Holes in Your Head vljc I guess I missed the original post. I didn't know you could have a hole in your brain. Now I have another thing to be paranoid about. Paul, I wish you continued healing - that sounds very scary indeed. I hope Joni's next CD is NOT of the greatest hits or themed variety but includes a bunch of new stuff. I'm selfish that way. And I'm wondering why my yahoo emial has gone back to rich text, when I told it to use plain. - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Hi Paul. I'm so pleased no tumours were found. Let me tell you, as a Nurse, a hole in your brain is way better than a growth. You dodged a bullet. I do hope you are on the road to wellness. As for Joni's next album, the deal with Hear Music was for two albums so, I expect there will be another release this year sometime. I've heard nothing official but usually with deals like this, they are spaced out by a year. Take care. Mark in Sydney (New South WALES) NP Great Southern Land (Great Southern Mix) - Icehouse __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:31:19 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni I may see Kris in concert next month!. I'm looking foward to it... > From: cindyvickery@hotmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Kris Kristofferson sings about Joni > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:10 -0500 > > Old news, but new to me... > > I heard this on my satellite radio over the weekend, from "The Essential Kris > Kristofferson," released 03/2004: > > ___________________ > > > > "I dig Bobby Dylan and I dig Johnny Cash > And I think Waylon Jennings is a table thumpin' smash > And hearin' Joni Mitchell feels as good as smokin' grass > And if you don't like Hank Williams, honey, you can kiss my ass > > Chorus: > 'Cause I think what they've done is well worth doin' > And they're doin' it the best way that they can > You're the only one that you are screwin' > When you put down what you don't understand" > > ___________________ > > > > I think Kristofferson is a song-writing genius, and it always makes me smile > when I find out that people I'm crazy about are crazy about other people that > I'm crazy about. :) > > > > Happy Monday, all - > > cindy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ > WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:56:31 +0100 From: Mike Pritchard Subject: pronunciation question Bernard Madoff's surname should be pronounced as in Made off, or as Mad off? Thanks, mike in bcn np Gram Parsons GP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:48:49 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon *UK, *and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon *USA*. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the *Search Inside This Book* feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because *Joni was actually interviewed for the book,* and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-*Shine*, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: > on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: > > Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon > about > the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 > reviews, > one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. > > > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back > - > I'm sorry! This is great!" *[This is from the Amazon UK description of the > paperback.]* > > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:09:50 -0400 From: Mark in Florida Subject: Re: pronunciation question Correct pronunciation as I understand it is Made off (as in with the money of others). - -- - -Mark in Florida On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Bernard Madoff's surname should be pronounced as in Made off, or as Mad > off? > Thanks, > mike in bcn > np Gram Parsons GP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:35:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Thanks very much, Terra (sp?), for investigating this further. But I must say that in fact, from what you have found about Joni's involvement with the book, it sounds like she may well have agreed to giving a review, just like Sting. But Sting's comment rings true (quote: "Music seems to have an almost wilful, evasive quality, defying simple explanation, so that the more we find out, the more there is to know, leaving its power and mystery intact, however much we may dig and delve. Daniel's book is an eloquent and poetic exploration of this paradox. --Sting" unquote) while the comment from Joni seems so uncharacteristic, and reminds me more of a stand-up comic. But hey, I agree it's much ado about nothing. In any case, as you say, it sounds like an interesting book, and that's what matters most to me. That's why I shared more details about it in my original post. But still, if I buy it, I will check what reviews are mentioned on the cover, and report back if I find out any more about this Joni comment! All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 20:48:49 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon UK, and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon USA. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the Search Inside This Book feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because Joni was actually interviewed for the book, and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-Shine, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" [This is from the Amazon UK description of the paperback.] now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:53:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Sorry Terra, I should have checked your Amazon link before sending my reply! Just now I went to the "search inside this book" section and saw the list of reviews. Sting's was there among others such as George Martin 's, but no quote from Joni. Still, my appetite is sufficiently whetted now, I think I will buy the paperback and take it from there! Lieve ________________________________ From: Lieve Reckers To: T Peckham ; Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 21:35:27 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni Thanks very much, Terra (sp?), for investigating this further. But I must say that in fact, from what you have found about Joni's involvement with the book, it sounds like she may well have agreed to giving a review, just like Sting. But Sting's comment rings true (quote: "Music seems to have an almost wilful, evasive quality, defying simple explanation, so that the more we find out, the more there is to know, leaving its power and mystery intact, however much we may dig and delve. Daniel's book is an eloquent and poetic exploration of this paradox. --Sting" unquote) while the comment from Joni seems so uncharacteristic, and reminds me more of a stand-up comic. But hey, I agree it's much ado about nothing. In any case, as you say, it sounds like an interesting book, and that's what matters most to me. That's why I shared more details about it in my original post. But still, if I buy it, I will check what reviews are mentioned on the cover, and report back if I find out any more about this Joni comment! All the best, Lieve in London ________________________________ From: T Peckham To: Mags Cc: Catherine McKay ; Dan Olson ; jonipeople LIST ; Lieve Reckers Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 20:48:49 Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni LOL--much ado . . . ! Okay, I checked this out, and here are my findings: The reviews/blurbs Lieve saw are on Amazon UK, and are about the paperback edition, which has not yet been released. I then looked for the original hardcover edition on Amazon USA. It's a different publisher, and the Joni "blurb" does not appear in the Amazon description. Using the Search Inside This Book feature, I found twelve Joni references in the Index, almost of all of which you can read in their entirety. (And if you "hover" over the pages that don't load, you can read the first sentence or so.) This is worth noting because Joni was actually interviewed for the book, and there's at least a 2-page recounting of the author's post-Shine, post-ballet conversation(s) with her. (This first edition was published August '08.) So, I suspect the so-called review or quote attributed to Joni in the UK review of the forthcoming paperback is a big typo gone bad. Thanks to Lieve for alerting us to this interesting-sounding book! T tp://www.amazon.com/World-Six-Songs-Musical-Created/dp/0525950737/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237076397&sr=1-1#reader On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Mags wrote: on Saturday 14th March, 2009, Lieve wrote: Anyway, because of that purchase I now got a message from Amazon about the author's follow-up book: "The World in Six Songs". It includes 2 reviews, one from Sting and one apparently from Joni. Joni's comment reads: "This is the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it back - I'm sorry! This is great!" [This is from the Amazon UK description of the paperback.] now me: Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making reference to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:20:34 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: wendy and lisa Out of Lurkdom... I have heard Wendy and Lisa's "white flags.." They are big fans of Joni, as we all know. Musically, there are some moments of interest, but a lot of it just didn't get under my skin.? Their first CD was their best.? Ever since, I seem to loose interest in the music about half way through the CD's.?? Perhaps I should give it a heartier listen.? Not sure why/how they selected this lyric of Joni's for a title, because the music isn't "wintery", nor does it evoke any sense of anything in particular having to do with Hejira, or it's images. Who knows, I may listen to this CD in 6 months and "get it", but for now, it's not getting much play, and I believe I purchased it in December when it became available through their website. Ken np-jesca hoop/seed of wonder acoustic - -----Original Message----- From: Mags To: Mike and Patti Haskins Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:05 am Subject: Re: wendy and lisa nice find there, Patti. Im listening to the music on the page now. Ive always and ever been blown away by that phrase, white flags of winter chimneys...delicious. I remain to this day, impressed by the sheer brilliance, the way in which Joni moves far and beyond the land of cliche, and lays down words in fresh ways..and so succinctly... she creates many an "aha" moment .... Mags watching the street outside my window being ripped apart. (such news lol) - --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mike and Patti Haskins wrote: From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: wendy and lisa To: "joni@smoe.org" Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:36 AM Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ Patti Haskins blog shop photos __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:41 -0500 From: T Peckham Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Sorry Terra, I should have checked your Amazon link before sending my > reply! Just now I went to the "search inside this book" section and saw the > list of reviews. Sting's was there among others such as George Martin 's, > but no quote from Joni. > > *Still, my appetite is sufficiently whetted now, I think I will buy the > paperback and take it from there! * > Lieve > > I was hoping you'd say that! ;-) I'm more interested in the book now, too, after reading the excerpts, but since I'm overloaded on things to read, I'll await *your* review. Best, Terra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:58:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni I missed that original post, too... I am currently reading the author's previous book "This is Your Brain On Music". It has 2 or 3 pages specifically about how the author perceives Joni's music as unique, and some stuff about Jaco. Maybe I will type it out at some point. Is there a "Joni in non- fiction" category? It's a pretty good book so far, also finishing "Musicophilia" by Oliver Sacks-fascinating but kind of dry at times. How music affects the brain, perfect pitch, synethesia, etc. Apparently, in the "Six Songs" book he name drops "my friend Joni Mitchell". The thesis is that there are only six types of songs no matter what culture you come from. Oddly, none of them are 'sad songs', the broad category that Joni might best fit into. The six categories are Friendship, Joy, Comfort, Knowledge (teaching and memory songs), Religion, and Love. Also included in each of these six are the opposites. So, really it is twelve categories. I guess Joni would fit into the comfort category, though some of her ruminations are more unsettling than comforting. RR Subject: Re: The World in Six Songs - apparently reviewed by Joni > Joni's comment reads: "This is > the worst idea for a book I've ever heard - it makes me want to vomit. The > idea encapsulates the very worst part of Western thought." "I take it > back - > I'm sorry! This is great!" > now me: > > Dan this is the quote/post that Catherine's and my posts were making > reference > to. Hope it helps to clarify what we were on about. > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:10:29 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Joni in the New Yorker / image Well, hell, Hell - who is to say that you are wrong? There is no right nor wrong in anything, and of course not in art. There are a lot of perspectives and they are have worth. I can understand why you advocate your view - I don't agree with it but am I right? There is no "right." The genius of the art is that it may be well that my take is on point and yours is an intended secondary meaning - or the reverse, yours is prime and my take is secondary, or we are both not in touch with the artist's intent at the time of creation and finalization - but is the artist's intent always discernable - or even necessarily defensable (in that art can take on a meaning of its own). I have forcably advocated my stance and you have wonderfully (and I thank you) re-presented and defended your take and that is how it should be! There is no wrong or wrote, but how we have all been engaged by this, so is it not all good: all engaged, all reacting to an interprative piece about our Joni. Nothing about Joni is simple or simplistic so this has just been as it should be! Thanks Hell! Vince On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:31 PM, hell wrote: > > Why does it have to mean the same thing to everyone? I stand by MY view > that's it's a satirical take on the world of Starbucks - and if this > cartoon > is being published in The New Yorker, I would have assumed that the > definition of cartoon as "a drawing intended as satire, caricature, or > humor" would be the most accurate? If it's just a picture, then to be > honest, I don't see the point. > > But then that's just MY opinion... > > > Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:02:15 +0000 From: gerard mclaughlin Subject: Re: wendy and lisa white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon,,, in the mirrors of a modern bank from the window of a hotel room. joni. the stark loneliness of it all and yet there is something about the silence it conjures and the presence looking out of the window that gives life to the words, fleshes them out, breathes... i love that line. theres just something about it and its like you have a guardian there with you...company I think thats what sets Joni Mitchell apart for me. One line can speak to a person for years. Now thats poetry and there is something very generous and loving in it too- poetry with a good heart i say. i am grateful. thanks for the Wendy and Lisa. like to know that line has had a song written round it. Not bad, eh? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:20 PM, wrote: > Out of Lurkdom... > I have heard Wendy and Lisa's "white flags.." > They are big fans of Joni, as we all know. > Musically, there are some moments of interest, but a lot of it just didn't > get under my skin.? Their first CD was their best.? Ever since, I seem to > loose interest in the music about half way through the CD's.?? Perhaps I > should give it a heartier listen.? Not sure why/how they selected this lyric > of Joni's for a title, because the music isn't "wintery", nor does it evoke > any sense of anything in particular having to do with Hejira, or it's > images. > Who knows, I may listen to this CD in 6 months and "get it", but for now, > it's not getting much play, and I believe I purchased it in December when it > became available through their website. > Ken > np-jesca hoop/seed of wonder acoustic > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mags > To: Mike and Patti Haskins > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:05 am > Subject: Re: wendy and lisa > > > > nice find there, Patti. Im listening to the music on the page now. Ive > always > and ever been blown away by that phrase, white flags of winter > chimneys...delicious. I remain to this day, impressed by the sheer > brilliance, > the way in which Joni moves far and beyond the land of cliche, and lays > down > words in fresh ways..and so succinctly... she creates many an "aha" moment > .... > > Mags watching the street outside my window being ripped apart. (such news > lol) > > > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mike and Patti Haskins wrote: > > > From: Mike and Patti Haskins > Subject: wendy and lisa > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Received: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:36 AM > > > Out of lurkdom to ask: Has anyone listened to Wendy and Lisa's new album > "White Flags of Winter Chimneys"? > http://www.wendyandlisa.com/ > Patti Haskins > blog > shop > photos > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:28:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the night olivia beat out joni I'm a zillion digests behind but thought I'd post this link with john & paul kate http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=72201787416 &h=IgoJ9&u=tFN4G&ref=nf ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #75 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe