From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 3 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: If you dare... ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: Subject: Re: If you dare... [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: Re: If you dare... [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs [Victor Johnson ] Re: The Same Situation [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs [Catherine McKay ] Joni mention on ABC News Nightline c/o Wynonna [J Harney ] Re: If you dare... ["Randy Remote" ] history and herstory (graham and joni) ["Watts, Lesli" ] Re: Cool early Joni history [Laura Stanley ] Re: Cool early Joni history ["Randy Remote" ] The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Cool early Joni history [Mags ] Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection [Bob Muller ] Re: Cool early Joni history [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy, happy. Joy, Joy. [Catherine McKay ] Re: Cool early Joni history [Laura Stanley ] Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection [Mark Angelo ] Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs [Mark Angelo Subject: Subject: Re: If you dare... Marian: 'I think it's kinda sweet. I liked the echo effect.' I thought Muller had tracked him down and thrown him in a well. Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1346 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 03:13:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Subject: Re: If you dare... If he tries another Joni cover - it's in the well he goes! Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: Anita Tedder To: Joni List Cc: Bob Muller ; marian@jmdl.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 4:25:01 AM Subject: Subject: Re: If you dare... Marian: 'I think it's kinda sweet. I liked the echo effect.' I thought Muller had tracked him down and thrown him in a well. Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1346 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs Just because I'm cranky and argumentative, "Happy birthday" (a truly annoying song IMO because it is just SO overdone) reminds people that they're getting older, which is actually kind of depressing. And then, throw in that weird minor chord... In "You are my sunshine," there's always that threat that someone's going to take your sunshine away. And verse 2 is a bit of a downer: The other night dear, as I lay sleeping, I dreamt I held you in my arms. When I awoke dear, I was mistaken, So I hung my head down and cried. I'm only half-arguing with you, Laura, and my tongue is partway in my cheek. - --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Laura Stanley wrote: At least two. You are my sunshine and happy birthday. - --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > How many memorable happy songs are there? I think > songwriting is a form of therapy and people don't talk > to their shrink about being happy. Emotions are always > mixed. > __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 05:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs I always liked "Shiny Happy People" by REM. Pointlessly happy, and yet it usually makes me feel good in a trippy, sun-blind kind of way. Shine on! :) Em - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs > To: "Laura Stanley" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 7:56 AM > Just because I'm cranky and argumentative, "Happy > birthday" (a truly annoying > song IMO because it is just SO overdone) reminds people > that they're getting > older, which is actually kind of depressing. And then, > throw in that weird > minor chord... > > In "You are my sunshine," there's always that > threat that someone's going to > take your sunshine away. And verse 2 is a bit of a downer: > The other night dear, as I lay sleeping, > > I dreamt I held you in my arms. > > When I awoke dear, I was mistaken, > > So I hung my head down and cried. > > I'm only half-arguing with you, Laura, and my tongue is > partway in my cheek. > > --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > At least two. > > You are my sunshine and happy birthday. > > > --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Catherine McKay > wrote: > > > How many memorable happy songs are there? I think > > songwriting is a form of therapy and people don't > talk > > to their shrink about being happy. Emotions are always > > mixed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:23:54 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Subject: Re: If you dare... LMAO! On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Bob Muller wrote: If he tries another Joni cover - it's in the well he goes! Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: Anita Tedder To: Joni List Cc: Bob Muller ; marian@jmdl.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 4:25:01 AM Subject: Subject: Re: If you dare... Marian: 'I think it's kinda sweet. I liked the echo effect.' I thought Muller had tracked him down and thrown him in a well. Anita _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1346 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:51:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs I agree with you totally Catherine, emotions are mixed. Songs are seldom completely happy or completely sad. Emotions are mutlifaceted...more like millions of colors than 256 different shades. My friend Beth from Mississippi always tells me my songs are all sad and why can't I play a happy song....which cracks me up more than anything else. Someone once wrote, "How can you know if you're happy, If you've never been sad. If you never get lost, How can you ever be found." Emotions are woven together in delicate ways and it is not necessarily an easy thing to extricate them. I wouldn't call Joni's songs happy or sad as they are deeper and richer than that. Victor, sitting in some cafe On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> How many memorable happy songs are there? I think >> songwriting is a form of therapy and people don't talk >> to their shrink about being happy. Emotions are always >> mixed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:56:48 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: if you dare In a message dated 3/2/09 3:04:39 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: If you dare... > > 7.5 bonus cover points for making it all the way to the end - I couldn't. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYC7YQbxq3w > Bob, I couldn't make it past 10 seconds, and then, only that long until the shock wore off. Kenny B ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:05:17 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: The Same Situation Dave,Thanks for uncovering the pigment yet again! I have to admit that I'm still working on JOTMAS after a long hiatus. Am I greedy if I suggest "Shades of Scarlet Conquering"? It's buried pretty deep there. There are also some un-mined nuggets on LOTC for sure. The early piano stuff is surprisingly harmonically complex, I always end up major in "For Free" when I shouldn't be. They never even tried to go beyond an easy piano transcription for those early songbooks. The melody isn't in the piano, so there wasn't equity to do otherwise. Now we know better. My ears and fingers send their fond appreciation!CCDate: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:06:52 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: The Same Situation Pianists, I have a full piano transcription of "The Same Situation" in the proof reading stage. It should be posted ion the website within a couple of weeks. Gradually filling the void of accurate Joni piano transcriptions.... cheers Dave _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:19:43 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The Same Situation Thanks CC. All the remaining piano tunes are on my to do list so "Shades" will be among them. I have "Lesson in Survival" underway at present. The pre C&S tunes are easiest, if not harmonically, because they are not layered in with bass, drums and guitars. The tunes from C&S involve more radical listening/processing, like flipping the phase to marginalize the center of the mix (reducing vocals) and a certain amount of educated guesswork based on Joni's piano style and preferences. Barnaby Finch, the pianist extraordinaire in our band, kindly goes through each transcription with a fine toothed comb and a pianist's knowledge, and multiple emails later we emerge with a score that two people feel strongly is right on. Yes I've never understood music publishers; they insist on remaking the piano arrangement with the vocal melody blocked out and make the chords simplified, for what, because you lose customers if you write down the song correctly? Most people are going to sing the darn melody and play the piano accompaniment so why not give them what was actually played? thanks, Dave On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:05 AM, c Karma wrote: > Dave, > Thanks for uncovering the pigment yet again! I have to admit that > I'm still working on JOTMAS after a long hiatus. Am I greedy if I > suggest "Shades of Scarlet Conquering"? It's buried pretty deep > there. There are also some un-mined nuggets on LOTC for sure. The > early piano stuff is surprisingly harmonically complex, I always > end up major in "For Free" when I shouldn't be. They never even > tried to go beyond an easy piano transcription for those early > songbooks. The melody isn't in the piano, so there wasn't equity > to do otherwise. Now we know better. My ears and fingers send > their fond appreciation! > CC > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:06:52 -0800 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: The Same Situation > > Pianists, I have a full piano transcription of "The Same Situation" > in the proof reading stage. It should be posted ion the website > within a couple of weeks. > > > Gradually filling the void of accurate Joni piano transcriptions.... > > cheers > > Dave > > Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite > groups to meet. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Em wrote: > I always liked "Shiny Happy People" by REM. > Pointlessly happy, and yet it usually makes me feel good in > a trippy, sun-blind kind of way. > Shine on! > :) > Em I like that song too and yet, there's something kind of sinister-sounding about Michael Stipe's voice. Was I dreaming or did I see something in a movie where that song was used when something bad was going on? Ah well, maybe it's just me. Of course, there are happy songs, but as said before by me and others, I don't think any song is exclusively about one emotion. There may be relatively happy lyrics in a minor key, or sad or angry lyrics with a bouncy melody, or mixed emotions all the way through. Add to that the mood you happen to be in at any particular time, and that alters the meaning of the song for you. And that's one reason why Joni's songs resonate so much with me. They capture the complexities of thought and emotion in a way that few others can. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:38:37 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Youtube Video - ----darnnit!.... 'removed by user'.... Well, people can always check out BJ Snowden....I recommend 'In Canada'/ Hey Bob, you got snow? (Marian, I assume automatically you have all the snow you need?) I checked into the list in a rare de-cloak just to find out what's behind all this talk about 'Bobby Jmdl'....that you, Bob? Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:26:13 +0000 From: J Harney Subject: Joni mention on ABC News Nightline c/o Wynonna Greetings from lurkdom, which in my case is snowy New York City: "Nightline," the ABC News program, has an ongoing feature in which celebrities, many of whom are musical personalities, talk about their influences and favorite music. This short series is called "Playlist, " and it typically is limited to 5 songs, followed by brief remarks about each by the featured guest. Friday night Wynonna (Judd) was the guest and she shared her "Playlist" with the Nightline audience and the first song she picked was "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio." This has never been one of my favorites, but we all experience Joni's music in different ways. I was pleased that Wynonna chose this song, however, because it was the song she sang for Joni in 2000 (?) as part of those who were paying tribute to Joni in the ALL-STAR TRIBUTE at the Hammerstein Ballroom. (The other song Wynonna sang that night was "Raised on Robbery," a duet with Bryan Adams.) I was way up in the rafters, but I can still remember how moved Wynonna was as she began singing that song as a way to express all of the joy and inspiration that Joni had given her over the years. Here is the link (go to Friday and Nashville Queen): http://abcnews.go.com/nightline Cheers, Jack _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:24:14 -0500 From: David Phillips Subject: Re: Subject: Re: If you dare... I'd like to hear him take on Chair in the Sky. djp Bob Muller wrote: > If he tries another Joni cover - it's in the well he goes! > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anita Tedder > To: Joni List > Cc: Bob Muller ; marian@jmdl.com > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 4:25:01 AM > Subject: Subject: Re: If you dare... > > Marian: > > 'I think it's kinda sweet. I liked the echo effect.' > > I thought Muller had tracked him down and thrown him in a well. > > Anita > > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > . > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 1346 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:49:36 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: If you dare... I always wondered what happened to all those guys in Mitch Miller's chorus (geezer reference). Not bad, really. I'm pretty sure I saw Donald Rumsfeld in there. RR From: "gene" > Thanks Randy, I couldn't but I found this little gem while watching. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494DoM077Hk&feature=related > >> Made it through 46 seconds. Can anyone beat that? >> >>> 7.5 bonus cover points for making it all the way to the end - I >>> couldn't. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYC7YQbxq3w >>> If you DO make it, please tell me how many times he changes keys. I lost >>> count. >>> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:39:06 -0800 From: "Watts, Lesli" Subject: history and herstory (graham and joni) i don't know about the different perspectives, wasn't there. but as to joni's perception of what graham wanted - if you look at his life it seems dead on. in 1977, graham married susan sennett. she was an actress who as far as i know, never appeared in another film or show after their marriage - until after 2000, when she portrayed herself. they had 3 kids. Susan makes a lot of calls and helps take care of business, a true helpmate. could joni be there for graham, given him all that and given the world what she has? seems like a balancing act for both of them to me. of course he couldn't have expected that from joni. and Grahamis now constantly mentioning his kids and how he's writing for them. (tavis smiley recent interview) So, joni just might have seen graham's needs better than he could. very cool they still love one another. just my take lesli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:21:23 -0600 (CST) From: johncalimee@verizon.net Subject: Happy, happy. Joy, Joy. Hmmm, I fear the happy list of Joni's music is a tad short... Perhaps for a bubbly, vivacious person Joni never rises to the level of being 'happy.' And for someone eternally depressed, with lower highs, she's darned right giddy. It is to some degree perspective. Still, I find many more of her songs to be 'happy' than what has been mentioned here. Although her themes are heavy, I definitely find the songs to be joyous, if not happy because they are written from of place of resolution. Just being a unflintching piece of melodic and poetic 'art' makes that happen to a degree. For instance, Don Juan's Reckless is a very joyous (and happy) song to me. That guitar track is such a rocking out rhythm. There's no downer in that driving, driving strum. And while she is making observations on heavy stuff, it is from a place of resolution. We are a full of dualities? So what? Live with it. Use the awareness of it as a power to take on life. This resolve and driving rhythm make this a 'happy' song for me. Who could play this without smiling at its infectious energy? It's like the anchor she set up for herself writing the musical passages that became the medallion of Paprika Plains. You hit a dissonant note? It's not wrong (or sad) if you lay on it. Lay on it man! It's not as if she's saying, "We are snakes in the grass, boo hoo. She's saying, "Damn! I figured it out, we're snakes in the grass!" Another 'happy' song... If. That one's easy. When you watch the Fiddle performance of If, it becomes clear this is totally about being happy. The dancers strike the perfect attitude. The lyrics fall on strong accents. It's like she's saying, "Here's wisdom. You can run with this and find a deeper 'joy' by it." Stay in Touch. Couldn't have come from a more 'happy' place. Refuge of the Road is a happy song. It starts with a low point, her trembling in the company of John Guerin, lost and overwhelmed by life's circumstances. But with each verse she climbs higher and higher out of her morass to a shimmering moment of natural joy. A beautiful landscape, at one moment sunlight streaming through billowing clouds and endless sky and the next a calendar shot of the moon placing, calming everything by putting it into context. But then, I should probably shut up before I start sinking my own arguement. Since everything about Joni is 'happy' to me. Even Turbulent Indigo. Which for me, isn't so much a portrait of Van Gogh's downer. I take it more as she chiding an unthinking audience for not not respecting the turbulence that feeds creativity. In her mind, art rises from chaos. -And what do dabblers know of chaos? And lacking chaos, what sort of art can be made from that? So again, its like she's laying on the note like a momma lion, not in sadness, glum or gloom. The right hand on the guitar spits out the dissonance almost in celebration. My 2 cents. And worth even less. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Cool early Joni history http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history LOL she looks paranoid! - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Randy Remote wrote: > > Do check out page 2 of this article for the outrageous > photo of Joni in bridal gown. > RR > > From: "Laura Stanley" > > > > > http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:17:55 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history Do check out page 2 of this article for the outrageous photo of Joni in bridal gown. RR From: "Laura Stanley" > http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:01:09 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection I'm currently reading the Warren Zevon biography, "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead," and finding a few Joni references that might interest you (in case no one has ever posted it before). Warren's (then) wife, Crystal mentions a party they went to at Glenn Frey's house in Malibu: "Warren was pretty drunk. The women were doing cocaine in the bathroom, so we were both flying high. Warren started banging out 'Exciteable Boy' on the piano and Joni Mitchell made some sarcastic remark like, 'How amusing.' We suddenly felt totally out of our element, and we left feeling sick and humiliated and sure we should have stayed in Spain." Jorge Calderon (one of Warren's friends/collaborators) tells of a time shortly after that when they were on their way to a Jackson Browne concert. Warren was drunk again and brought a .357 Magnum with him. When they got to the Universal Amphitheater, a roadie stopped them and noticed the gun Warren was carrying. Jonge states, "And this guy gets right up in Warren's face and he says, 'You're not going to take one more step in with that. Give me the gun and we're going to put it in the trunk of my car.' It was a little two-door sporty Mercedes, and it turned out to be Joni Mitchell's car. So, the gun ends up in Joni Mitchell's trunk." Kenny B ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668 072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:17:25 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection That was Paz's favorite line to us all during the notorious Pazfest in N'Orleans. Jerry On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:01 PM, wrote: > I'm currently reading the Warren Zevon biography, "I'll Sleep When I'm > Dead," ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:06:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history and what's that white thing on Chuck's shoulder? And why is he sitting there clutching his knees, and what is that expression on his face.... Mags - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Laura Stanley wrote: From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history To: joni@smoe.org Received: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:29 PM LOL she looks paranoid! - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Randy Remote wrote: > > Do check out page 2 of this article for the outrageous > photo of Joni in bridal gown. > RR > > From: "Laura Stanley" > > > > > http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection Warren also performed "A Case Of You" in concert. Nope, don't have it, sorry. Bob NP: The Dramatics, "Whatcha See Is Whatcha Get" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history I've seen that photo before. It is very weird. They don't look like shiny, happy people at all. It seems more like "Bride of Frankenstein" or "Bride of Chucky" to me. Very weird placement - him sitting, her standing with her hand on his shoulder, neither smiling. But wait! They meant to do that: "Joni and Chuck Mitchell strike a delib-erately [sic] stilted pose in a special bridal section published by the Detroit Free Press on Feb. 5, 1967. Chuck called it bobviously (to my eye) a send-up of the typical bridal photo.b The two actually were married in 1965. The piece was written by Free Press fashion writer Marji Kunz, who was friendly with the Mitchells." - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Randy Remote wrote: > From: Randy Remote > Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history > To: "Laura Stanley" , joni@smoe.org > Received: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:17 PM > Do check out page 2 of this article for the outrageous > photo of Joni in bridal gown. > RR > > From: "Laura Stanley" > > > > > http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy, happy. Joy, Joy. Well done! Your whole post is brilliant. I couldn't agree more (is it even possible to agree MORE? I digress.) Love that aspect of joy and resolution. Also love the song "Don Juan's..." It's lots of fun to play sing t00, if you can remember the words. - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, johncalimee@verizon.net wrote: > Hmmm, > > I fear the happy list of Joni's music is a tad short... > > Perhaps for a bubbly, vivacious person Joni never rises to > the level of being 'happy.' And for someone > eternally depressed, with lower highs, she's darned > right giddy. It is to some degree perspective. Still, I find > many more of her songs to be 'happy' than what has > been mentioned here. Although her themes are heavy, I > definitely find the songs to be joyous, if not happy because > they are written from of place of resolution. Just being a > unflintching piece of melodic and poetic 'art' makes > that happen to a degree. For instance, Don Juan's > Reckless is a very joyous (and happy) song to me. That > guitar track is such a rocking out rhythm. There's no > downer in that driving, driving strum. And while she is > making observations on heavy stuff, it is from a place of > resolution. We are a full of dualities? So what? Live with > it. Use the awareness of it as a power to take on life. This > resolve and driving rhythm make this a 'happy' song > for me. Who could play this without smiling at its > infectious energy? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history Catherine? You mean like the Chucky doll Chucky? My family is curious why I burst out laughing here at my computer. Your comment made me think it looks like he is her ventriloquist doll... with her hand on him like he's her puppet. Bob Dylan's John Brown-walls puppet in a play maybe? It is a very funny pose. - --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > I've seen that photo before. It is very weird. They > don't look like shiny, happy people at all. It seems > more like "Bride of Frankenstein" or "Bride > of Chucky" to me. Very weird placement - him sitting, > her standing with her hand on his shoulder, neither smiling. > > But wait! They meant to do that: > "Joni and Chuck Mitchell strike a delib-erately [sic] > stilted pose in a special bridal section published by the > Detroit Free Press on Feb. 5, 1967. Chuck called it > bobviously (to my eye) a send-up of the typical bridal > photo.b The two actually were married in 1965. The piece > was written by Free Press fashion writer Marji Kunz, who was > friendly with the Mitchells." > > > --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Randy Remote > wrote: > > > From: Randy Remote > > Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history > > To: "Laura Stanley" > , joni@smoe.org > > Received: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:17 PM > > Do check out page 2 of this article for the outrageous > > photo of Joni in bridal gown. > > RR > > > > From: "Laura Stanley" > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/March-2009/Sixties-Folklore/ > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:11:37 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection > Warren also performed "A Case Of You" in concert. Nope, don't have it, > sorry. > > Bob > Considering how much he drank, I'd say that was an apropos selection. Kenny B ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:59:46 -0500 From: Mark Angelo Subject: Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection The comment as allegedly made by Joni makes sense in light of the fact that Jackson Browne and Warren Zevon were extremely close with Jackson actively promoting with limited success Warren's own singer/songwriting capabilities. Joni's animus towards Jackson (at least through the period when TTT was released) is fairly common knowledge ("he thinks I think he's the devil, what a lofty title for such a petty little tyrant") and Jackson has likewise made disparaging remarks. I'm betting Joni was no more a fan of Zevon that she was of Browne largely by association in and of itself, as she had such a strong negative valence towards Browne. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:01 PM, wrote in part: > > Warren's (then) wife, Crystal mentions a party they went to at Glenn > Frey's house in Malibu: > "Warren was pretty drunk. The women were doing cocaine in the bathroom, > so we were both flying high. Warren started banging out 'Exciteable Boy' on > the piano and Joni Mitchell made some sarcastic remark like, 'How amusing.' > We > suddenly felt totally out of our element, and we left feeling sick and > humiliated and sure we should have stayed in Spain." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:51:09 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cool early Joni history - --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Laura Stanley wrote: > Catherine? You mean like the Chucky doll Chucky? My family > is curious why I burst out laughing here at my computer. > > Your comment made me think it looks like he is her > ventriloquist doll... with her hand on him like he's her > puppet. Bob Dylan's John Brown-walls puppet in a play > maybe? > > It is a very funny pose. > Yeah, the scary ventriloquist's doll. But, come to think of it, maybe it's more like Gomez and Morticia Addams. It's very Goth-looking but they did it deliberately, so it's actually quite funny if you know that. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:54:59 -0500 From: Mark Angelo Subject: Re: Joni Very Seldom Writes Happy Songs True Rian, and this is one reason why I and a great many others have resonated with Joni since my childhood, her voice, words, and music honestly - - at a time when such revelations were not in vogue - reflect the angst, guilt, the plethora of emotions arising from love or it's loss, from the loss of anything really that you have formed an attachment to that others may not understand (Men From Mars), the frustrated needs that we don't necessarily receive as a child that usually have a profound effect on our choices as adults, and those same frustrated needs we at one time or another encounter as adults. As Bob notes, yes the songs by and large can be said to deal generally with sadness, however, there is much wisdom to be obtained in these musings, and indeed there are glimmers of hope and possibility contained therein. People that are prone to being sad more often than anything else write that they have "heightened sensitivities" to the world they find themselves in for whatever reason. Joni seems to have always had this heightened sensitivity, something she described again during the Tavis Smiley interview she recently gave. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Rian Afriadi wrote in part: > Well. I just realized that Joni seldom makes happy songs. Of all songs sheb > s > made, there are only very very few ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:45:27 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Joni/Warren Zevon Connection Actually that has been me mantra since I was in 8th grade On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Gerald Notaro wrote: That was Paz's favorite line to us all during the notorious Pazfest in N'Orleans. Jerry On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:01 PM, wrote: > I'm currently reading the Warren Zevon biography, "I'll Sleep > When I'm > Dead," Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #61 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe