From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #57 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 27 2009 Volume 2009 : Number 057 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jungle Line [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Jungle Line [Laura Stanley ] Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Pink Dress concert released on Amazon today?? [Michael Flaherty ] Re: SJC: History & Herstory [Catherine McKay ] Fiddle and Drum for rent at Netflix [M C ] Leonard Cohen Concert Friday Evening [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings [Mags ] Re: Leonard Cohen Concert Friday Evening [happy the man ] Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings ["Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Jungle Line ROTFL. Now there's a name I haven't heard for many years. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Jungle Line Yo, Willie's posts sound pretty straight forward to me, perhaps more forward than most. I think he has a lot of courage to open up to us like this. Do you have any history to share on the creative title for the album HOSL Willie? Any other shadows or light you could shed on songs on the album? Also, you talk about collaboration and then just one night. Was the one night amidst a longer period of time in which you shared artistic inspiration? Love, Laura hi Dave, I was wondering the same thing. Anyone? Mags , just as confused by this post as you are. - - --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Dave Blackburn wrote: From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Jungle Line To: "jmdl" , yanock.willie@yahoo.com Received: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 10:14 AM Excuse me but what on earth is this post about? Dave On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:16:43 -0800 (PST) > From: Willie Yanock > Subject: Jungle Line > > One more time my gutless dear friend Les. The entire album of Hissing of > Summer Lawns was a collaboration of music, words and lyrics my Joni Mitchell > and myself, without me there would be no Hissing of Summer Lawns. She came to > me for inspiration, I went to her for Inspiration. The Jungle Line was an > experiment, a dare it's just a song. Today I'm just a jealous old dying fool > back in 75 I was just jealous. Jealous of her lovers and almost everyone > around her that used her. For a brief moment in time I felt that I was the > luckiest man alive with Joni by my side. That song that album means nothing to > me without her by my side. It's just a chronicle of the night we spent > together. Without her I am lost. I can see your smirk and shaking of your head > saying how pathetic of a little man. But I swear to you on that night with > Joni I came ever so close to God. She is not just a witness but Joni Mitchell > is a Witness to God. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:41:22 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings From: "Laurie Fuhr" > I suspect that man's ownership over woman can never extend successfully > to female artists. Ultimately I think that when threatened to lose our > ability to procreate via art, leaving is not only a matter of > self-preservation, but a means to save those offspring of inspiration > still trying to be born. Any man that would try to take that from us is > obviously not a suitable father. These musings are interesting in light of the recent Graham Nash interview, and Joni's need to be free. To hear him tell it, he had no desire to stifle her creativity -even laughed at the possibility, but she dumped him anyway. Yet, in "Willy", she says it's him that has the cold feet. He says he'd love to live with me But for an ancient injury That has not healed He said I feel once again Like I gave my heart too soon ... Now he wants to run away and hide He says our love cannot be real He cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells I suspect there are partners who allow their sig. other's creativity to flow, just as there are some that seek to control and suppress same. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:10:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Fwd: Brian Blade NEW ALBUM Pre Sale! >>From: Michael Paz Tuesday April 21 2009 Brian Blade will release his album MAMA ROSA, his first recording as a singer, guitarist, and songwriter. Presale. FYI: Brian is currently on tour with the 5 Peace Band, which is co-led by Chick Corea and John McLaughlin. I'm seeing them in April. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:17:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Jungle Line ________________________________ >>From: Laura Stanley Willie's posts sound pretty straight forward to me, perhaps more forward than most. I think he has a lot of courage to open up to us like this. I don't know anything about him or the post, but opening by calling Les "gutless" put me off a bit. It was probably done with a wink, but still ... odd opening. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Pink Dress concert released on Amazon today?? ________________________________ >>>From: Jim L'Hommedieu Maybe some of the video was damaged or the Artist didn't like her performance. Who cares? We'll have a pristine version of "California" on video. I'm in. I can see your point, and if I were more into video (or if this one were just a bit less expensive) I might go for it too. (I play my CDS of S&L, for example, a lot more than I do the DVD.) I'm still hoping for an official (doubt this is) release of the whole thing. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings - --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Randy Remote wrote: > These musings are interesting in light of the recent Graham > Nash interview, and Joni's need to be free. To hear him > tell > it, he had no desire to stifle her creativity -even laughed > at the possibility, but she dumped him anyway. Yet, in > "Willy", she > says it's him that has the cold feet. > > He says he'd love to live with me > But for an ancient injury > That has not healed > He said I feel once again > Like I gave my heart too soon > ... > Now he wants to run away and hide > He says our love cannot be real > He cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells > > I suspect there are partners who allow their sig. > other's > creativity to flow, just as there are some that seek to > control and suppress same. > RR I think that most often people are unaware that their actions (or inactions) might be stifling their partner's creativity. It's all part of the complexity of communication and all of our expectations of what a mate is supposed to be and this is based on cultural expectations, family dynamics and so much more. Sadly, I think that most creative people probably need to be alone a great deal of the time to concentrate on their art. Not that it can't be done, but I think it would be extremely difficult for two artistic people to live together and continue to follow their muse unless they have completely open and honest communication without any bias - and that's difficult to do and takes a lot of time, and that time takes away from time creating and so on. It's the stuff of tragedy. The story of Joni and Graham would probably make a full-Kleenex-box tearjerker movie. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:15:21 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings - --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Catherine McKay wrote: > I think that most often people are unaware that their > actions (or inactions) might be stifling their partner's > creativity. To which I'd like to add that some people really DO want to stifle others' creativity and do have some very bizarre and unrealistic expecations of what a mate is expected to do. (For example, "No wife of MINE will ever have to work for a living!" or "Housework is women's work" or "I'M the artist around here!") Weird, because they're drawn to the other for a reason, part of which you'd think would be the creative spark and yet, once having acquired it, want nothing more than to extinguish it. THAT kind ought to be dropped like a hot potato, shown the door, fled from on foot or by car to NYC or anywhere else but married to a king in a tenement castle. (Just in case anyone was wondering.) __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:49:11 -0700 From: "Laurie Fuhr" Subject: Re: SJC: History & Herstory From: "Catherine McKay" > Sadly, I think that most creative people probably need to be alone a > great deal of the time to concentrate on their art. So, no better partner than a successful rock star who's on the road all the time. (...then again...you can't hold the hand of a rock and roll man/the girls and the bands..) Nash did talk about them competing for the piano, but that's a logistical problem, easily solved with a bigger house. > To which I'd like to add that some people really DO want to stifle others' > creativity 'Some' being the operative word. Not all. Regarding Joni & Nash, I'm just saying there's a chasm 'tween herstory and history. RR - -- Actually, I love the Graham Nash snippets in the Women of Heart & Mind DVD. He completely seems as though he might still be in love with her, there's such warmth and such bleary-eyed, smiling nostalgia... I think he might also be the one in that DVD to explain that as the blonde California girl, Joni comprised not only the figure of the perfect muse that male folkies were singing about, but was the artist herself, and how that was a new & compelling combination. I know I'm not remembering the quote perfectly, but I loved that moment in the video and the pics of young Joni at a song circle :-) My own husband was a musician and we had an indie rock/pop band together called Lonely Hunters. http://www.myspace.com/lonelyhunters (He's now moved back to Winnipeg so I'm not on the site anymore). We were both songwriters & guitarists, so I learned to play bass and sing backup to accompany him. We played a lot of gigs and were really starting to get momentum - our second album was set to turn heads at indie record labels, and we were getting bites from festivals like Pop Montreal. Sadly we never got to release it properly before we broke up. Around the house, he'd play songs and I'd stop whatever I was doing and listen with interest. But if I would play a song, he'd turn up the TV or go off in the bedroom with his book and slam the door in a huff because he'd been trying to read. It made me feel like my music wasn't good enough to warrant his caring. I would never do that to him. And that rift of empathy made it feel like the walls had unkind ears, so that I didn't feel comfortable creating music in our apartment, which was a tiny hole in the wall so that didn't help. Put that together with his belief that once we were married I should stop doing 'pointless' things like arts volunteering and editing a magazine and spend all my time with him, and you get the a pretty clear example of two artists unable to function to such a degree that love was NOT enough. What a disaster. So on the other hand - sometimes two artists together really can't work!! I'll never get married again. Laurie Laurie Fuhr | Administrative Assistant | ALBERTA BALLET | p: 403.245.4222 ext 521 | f: 403.245.6573 | laurief@albertaballet.com | www.albertaballet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SJC: History & Herstory [RR said]: Nash did talk about them > competing for > the piano, but that's a logistical problem, easily > solved with a bigger > house. And I think they could've afforded a second piano. ;-) Joni may have been seeing her own life as a reflection of her mother's or grandmother's - the one that gave up her own artistic goals to be a wife and mother. And let's face it, that was certainly the accepted thing back then. For some it's still the accepted thing that the woman has to give up a piece of her soul once she gets bound and tied up to someone. Her skittishness is perfectly understandable to me. Laurie said: > Actually, I love the Graham Nash snippets in the Women of > Heart & Mind > DVD. He completely seems as though he might still be in > love with her, > there's such warmth and such bleary-eyed, smiling > nostalgia... I think > he might also be the one in that DVD to explain that as the > blonde > California girl, Joni comprised not only the figure of the > perfect muse > that male folkies were singing about, but was the artist > herself, and > how that was a new & compelling combination. I know > I'm not remembering > the quote perfectly, but I loved that moment in the video > and the pics > of young Joni at a song circle :-) Me too. I also felt he was still in love with her. How romantic! But wouldn't you hate to be his wife seeing that? Wow. > Around > the house, he'd play songs and I'd stop whatever I > was doing and listen > with interest. But if I would play a song, he'd turn > up the TV or go > off in the bedroom with his book and slam the door in a > huff because > he'd been trying to read. It made me feel like my > music wasn't good > enough to warrant his caring. I would never do that to > him. And that > rift of empathy made it feel like the walls had unkind > ears, so that I > didn't feel comfortable creating music in our > apartment, which was a > tiny hole in the wall so that didn't help. Put that > together with his > belief that once we were married I should stop doing > 'pointless' things > like arts volunteering and editing a magazine and spend all > my time with > him, and you get the a pretty clear example of two artists > unable to > function to such a degree that love was NOT enough. What a > disaster. > So on the other hand - sometimes two artists together > really can't > work!! I'll never get married again. > > I know what you mean. I'm sorry for you that this happened but glad for you that you got out after only a short time of this. I put up with it for 20 years (what a suck!) and I will definitely never get married again! Sorry, boys. I know most of you are probably lovely people who respect your wives/lovers/whatevers, and that some women behave this way too. I've seen some classic cases of that. Once bitten, twice shy. I would not want to make that mistake again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: M C Subject: Fiddle and Drum for rent at Netflix Plus other Joni DVDs. Search on Joni Mitchell. http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Joni_Mitchell_s_The_Fiddle_and_the_Drum/70112916?lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strkid=404953123_0_0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:15:50 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen Concert Friday Evening I'm leaving the njc off this post 'cause I know there are a lot of Leonard Cohen fans on this list. Just heard today that LC appeared recently at the Beacon Theater in Manhattan, and WFUV (90.7 FM and streaming online at WFUV.org) taped it and will be boardcasting it tomorrow evening (Friday) starting at 7 PM. So, even if you're not in the NYC area, you can still catch it online. And, best of all, it's commercial-free. If this excites you, please consider a donation to WFUV as it's a member-supported station and they could use all the help they can get. Kenny B ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668 072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings Interesting time line, just had a scan over the personal stuff. i think it's good that joni listened to her urge for going. no one needs to stay in a painful place, for whatever reason(s). sorry you had to go through that yourself, laurie, in writing to the list with such things, you'll find you are not alone in that whatsoever ;--) we can have a pretty tasty discussion about our common threads, but my preference is off list. ;-) in the dvd woman of heart and mind, the segment when joni is talking about graham and her and the challenges of being in the same household as another artist, and a musician at that...well she just sounds so damned sad that it happened. i dont know ... it's got to be tricky, that. for me, there are lots of clues to joni's heart and mind, vis a vis feeling trapped in a situation/marriage/relationship. i like virginia woolf's notion that every woman needs a room of one's own...great fodder for discussion. catherine and laurie, i join in the chorus, i'll never (ever, ever) get married again, and i can safely say never and feel very good about that. there's a really great article , fairly new addition, on the jmdl web site about adoption laws and all the fugly social constructs that existed at the time ... another source of great confusion and sorrow for joni...it's a great article, if you have some time, and if you are interested in such things. npimh: it's never easy and it's never clear, who's to navigate and who's to steer, as we drift ever near the rocks. dan fogelberg says it best....sorry if it's not an exact quote, but there's the idea anyway.... it's on his album nexus, where joni sings descant on one of his songs, tres cool. Mags, writing with very cold hands lol!!! - --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Laurie Fuhr wrote: From: Laurie Fuhr Subject: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings To: joni@smoe.org Received: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 5:21 PM Re: the timeline posted by Laura, http://www.thirteen.org/pressroom/release.php?get=187 1957: Inspired by spelling of the name of her art teacher, Henry Bonli, changes her name to Joni. Someone named Maureen Bonli was a guest at the Raising the Barre dinner last night! I wonder if that was Henry's wife or daughter. Wish I could have gone to the dinner.. will have to see if they got any footage of 'The Way It Is'! Also.. as someone who just had a marriage last only 1.5 years due to stifling conditions for creativity (& mental / emotional health), good for Joni for driving to NYC after one year with Chuck. I hadn't realized how similarly short that marriage was. Sounds like she made off with a new last name and whatever could fit in her car. If I was on wheels I probably would have driven away too! It's so much more poetic than the scurrying away I had to do. And I'll never get married again. I suspect that man's ownership over woman can never extend successfully to female artists. Ultimately I think that when threatened to lose our ability to procreate via art, leaving is not only a matter of self-preservation, but a means to save those offspring of inspiration still trying to be born. Any man that would try to take that from us is obviously not a suitable father. Lauri(e) Laurie Fuhr | Administrative Assistant | ALBERTA BALLET | p: 403.245.4222 ext 521 | f: 403.245.6573 | laurief@albertaballet.com | www.albertaballet.com __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:29:29 -0600 From: happy the man Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen Concert Friday Evening It's podcasted on NPR:All things considered. PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > I'm leaving the njc off this post 'cause I know there are a lot of > Leonard Cohen fans on this list. Just heard today that LC appeared recently at the > Beacon Theater in Manhattan, and WFUV (90.7 FM and streaming online at > WFUV.org) taped it and will be boardcasting it tomorrow evening (Friday) starting at > 7 PM. So, even if you're not in the NYC area, you can still catch it online. > And, best of all, it's commercial-free. If this excites you, please consider a > donation to WFUV as it's a member-supported station and they could use all the > help they can get. > > Kenny B > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668 > 072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:02:12 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Laurie Fuhr" ; ; "Randy Remote" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Randy Remote wrote: > >> These musings are interesting in light of the recent Graham >> Nash interview, and Joni's need to be free. To hear him >> tell >> it, he had no desire to stifle her creativity -even laughed >> at the possibility, but she dumped him anyway. Yet, in >> "Willy", she >> says it's him that has the cold feet. >> >> He says he'd love to live with me >> But for an ancient injury >> That has not healed >> He said I feel once again >> Like I gave my heart too soon >> ... >> Now he wants to run away and hide >> He says our love cannot be real >> He cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells >> >> I suspect there are partners who allow their sig. >> other's >> creativity to flow, just as there are some that seek to >> control and suppress same. >> RR The lyrics to 'Willy' taken in conjunction with Joni's comments in the WOHAM program puzzle me too. There seems to be some inconsistency here if we take it that the song is truly 'confessional' and a true reflection of life. But then, an artist is supposed to create art, not take snapshots of reality, imo. > Sadly, I think that most creative people probably need to be alone a > great deal of the time to concentrate on their art. Not that it > can't be done, but I think it would be extremely difficult for two > artistic people to live together and continue to follow their muse > unless they have completely open and honest communication without > any bias - and that's difficult to do and takes a lot of time, and > that time takes away from time creating and so on. I just read a Vanity Fair article about Cate Blanchett. She sounds like an amazingly sane and down to earth person. She's married to a director and the 2 of them are in charge of a theatre in Sydney. They also have 3 young boys. From the quotes in VF from both spouses, they work and live well together. They are very supportive of one another in every way. To hear them tell it, anyway. The article also says Cate is a very private person and does not feel a part of the whole Hollywood scene at all. Nobody has talked much about the Oscars and I have to admit that I haven't seen any of the movies that were nominated (I'm always runnin' behind the times) but I was really happy to see Kate Winslet win. She is also married to a director, Sam Mendes who did 'American Beauty' and Kate's other big recent film with Leonardo de Caprio 'Revolutionary Road'. VF also did a piece about this Kate and she seemed to be very pleased with her marriage as well. She is an amazing actress. If you haven't seen the early Peter Jackson flick 'Heavenly Creatures', get it from Netflix or wherever you rent movies. Both Kate and Melanie Lynskey give electrifying performances as 2 teenage misfits who seem to create some kind of frenetic, frantic energy between the 2 of them. Mark in Seattle who loves movies but hardly goes to them anymore....and we had more f**king snow last night! I told Travis he was not to leave the house. He drove to the grocery store anyway. But the streets were fairly clear by that time. He is doing *very* well, by the way. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:22:39 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Art teacher Henry Bonli & musings From: "Catherine McKay" > Sadly, I think that most creative people probably need to be alone a great > deal of the time to concentrate on their art. So, no better partner than a successful rock star who's on the road all the time. (...then again...you can't hold the hand of a rock and roll man/the girls and the bands..) Nash did talk about them competing for the piano, but that's a logistical problem, easily solved with a bigger house. > To which I'd like to add that some people really DO want to stifle others' > creativity 'Some' being the operative word. Not all. Regarding Joni & Nash, I'm just saying there's a chasm 'tween herstory and history. RR ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2009 #57 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe