From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #239 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 20 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 239 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SoCal JoniFest and OzFest [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Crawdaddy [Jerry Notaro ] Possible Joni appearance???? ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: Possible Joni appearance???? [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RE: Joni a hippie? [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:20:22 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: SoCal JoniFest and OzFest I had not considered that it might be in any way inappropriate to post updates to this list on OzFest. I hope it's not a problem. I'd like to keep it to the Yahoo group but I just haven't had much of a response there. In no way do I want to compete with Dave and the SoCal JoniFest. That is of course coming up first and we should concentrate on making that a success. Dave has put so much work into it and it looks amazing so, if I can't make it, I wish you all a lot of fun there in Idyllwild. I had such a positive response from everyone when I first raised the idea of OzFest but the enthusiasm seems to have died down a bit. I really need all those who are interested in coming to OzFest to join the Yahoo group. So far, there are only 12 members and if that's an indication to how many will be attending, I can't continue it because it would be far too expensive for only 12 people. The price I quoted is based on 30 people so, we need that many or more. If there are over 30 people, the price will come down even more. One of the main reasons that I need people to join the Yahoo group is the database. Although I'm not asking for deposits yet, I need to get an idea of how many people will come. I know that it is still a long way off but unless I get an idea of how many people (even a vague idea) I can't continue the organising. In the database, you'll find a couple of fields to fill in i.e. number of guests, type of room, dietary requirements, etc. The numbers are of utmost importance at this point. So far, I'm the only one listed. I've already staked out a double room in the lodge. There are 8 cabins to choose from and several double rooms in the lodge's two floors, all with en suite bathrooms. In the files section, you'll find the menu for the fest which is included in the price. I am currently making enquiries about beverages. They may be charged separately. I have been trying to upload the venue layout but I'm having trouble with that. I'm waiting for Yahoo to get back to me to tell me why it won't upload. In the meantime, I'm happy to send the .pdf file to anyone as an attachment so, if you need to see the lodge and cabin layouts, send me an e-mail off list. Remember, I'm not asking for any money at this stage. Deposits won't be needed for at least another 6 - 8 months. I just need you to stake out your rooms so, please join the OzFest Yahoo group. There is also a link there to SoCal JoniFest. I hope I can make SoCal too. I'm amazed at how similar the two regions look. Idyllwild looks a lot like Kangaroo Valley. Great find, Dave. I'm sorry if my updates here bother anyone but there is no other way until people join the Yahoo group. Mark in Sydney NP How To Be Invisible - Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:23:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Crawdaddy Joni Mitchell: Court and Spark by Sean Nelson Is the featured book. Article here: http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/?utm_source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_camp aign=081119 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Possible Joni appearance???? 75th Birthday Concert: Wayne Shorter featuring Brian Blade, Danilo Perez, John Patitucci, and Imani Winds at Carnegie Hall December 2nd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:06:02 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Possible Joni appearance???? Jerry wrote: 75th Birthday Concert: Wayne Shorter featuring Brian Blade, Danilo Perez, John Patitucci, and Imani Winds at Carnegie Hall December 2nd. >>> 75th? Who's birthday is that? Joni's? I guess she's 65. Rian NP on myspace: Kay Ashley - Beautiful ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:34:11 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: RE: Joni a hippie? > From: anon anon > Subject: RE: Joni a hippie? > > I want to be a beatnik! I hope it's not too late!!! Tangent to this thread, Janis Joplin self-identified in interviews as a beatnik. > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Joni a hippie? > > Hi Monika, These days people are more accepting of the fact that they > were (or still are :~}) hippies. Back then it was word manufactured > by the 'straight' media so people who were being labeled as such > didn't like the word. 'Freaks', like Joni uses in the song Carey, was > the term many hippies used at the time to describe themselves or their > friends. When I was coming up, in the 1980s, "heads" was the preferred term. I think it was in use back in the 60s as well, and I know its still used today. "Hippie" was used in some contexts. It was more of a friendly, chiding way of referring to friends or sometimes one's self. Like, your friend is showing you the necklace she made from a Herkimer stone she just mined in NY, and you say, "Marge, you're such a freakin' hippie." "Freaks" was not as common, although I tended to use the word alot myself. Today I prefer "tree-hugging dirt-worshiper". ;) If there was a semi-derogatory manufactured term used in the 1980s, it had to be earthy-crunchy. Gawd, I hated that. And not just because it was usually uttered in a dismissive, almost sneering, tone by non-heads. No, I hated it for the simple fact that... I don't really care for granola that much. Call me fuzzy if you want, but crunchy? No thanks. Musically, there were three pillars among heads I hung with. The Grateful Dead, of course, since alot of the head communities gravitated around the Dead shows. CSN & sometimes Y. And Joni. Of course 60s music of many other flavors (but not bubble-gum) was played, but I think those three were the staples. I was kind of familiar with Joni before going to school at UMass, but going out there and getting immersed in the head culture of Western Massachusetts, is when I really fell for her. The dorm I lived in was kind of the Bohemian dorm on campus, although there were at least a few heads in just about every dorm. Butterfield, though, was saturated. The building itself had much more character than the typical cinder-block human filing-cabinets that housed most of the students. It was one of the older buildings on campus, and I don't think there were two rooms in the place that were exactly the same. Each had its own slightly different shape and personality. And the stairwells had fantastic acoustics. And just about everyone who lived there were heads, punks, musicians, artists, writers, gays, communists, feminists, activists, vegetarians... rejects, basically. All the people that society didn't want. We were like the Island of Misfit Toys. And we were all gathered together under one roof, usually stoned, and often naked. And Joni was played alot. Mostly Blue, Clouds, LotC, and C&S. But StaS, and FtR got some airplay too. I still know a few people out that way, and I recently got word that, sadly, the university administration finally succeeded in killing Butterfield. They were trying to bust up that scene even when I was there. And they finally did it in a clever way. They made it a freshman-only dorm. The effect is that the cultural life-cycle of the place has been severed. People on that certain wavelength can no longer coalesce there, and cultural traits and traditions are no longer passed on from year to year. Bummer. On a similar note, my other favorite place at UMass has been similarly ruined. I had occasion to visit the campus last year, and was shocked to see what they had done to Hippie Beach. They paved paradise. F***ers. The south side of the Student Union, facing the campus pond, used to be made up of a patio and steps that ran the entire length of the building. Both patio and steps were made of dark grey slate rock which, because of the southern exposure and because there were no buildings blocking the way, soaked up the Sun all day long. So, it was relatively warm there even in early March. And like I said, it faced the pond, so that was the Beach part. The Hippie part was that both Earth Foods (co-op vegetarian cafeteria) and People's Market (co-op health food store) were on the south side of the Student Union. So, people would get food at those two places and sit out on the patio, or the steps, and the scene kind of spilled out from there onto the lawn and down to the pond. There were almost always people playing music there, or juggling, or fooling around in the bushes, eating mushrooms and playing with the ducks, or whatever. It was beautiful. I met some of my favorite people on the planet there, including She Who Deflowered Me. ;) *sigh* (and, yeah, she was definitely a hippie) And now its gone. That wonderful slate has all been torn up and replaced by concrete and a brick wall around the patio. Yes, a f***ing wall. My, how symbolic. Gone are the long, long steps for people to sprawl out on. And the wall just fecks the whole feng shui of the place right in the arse. It was a gorgeous spring day when I visited there last year. The kind of day when the place would've been alive with heads back when I was a student there. And there was a smattering of people. I guess if you make a place less fun to hang out in, not as many people will hang out there. Maybe that was the idea. As long as I've wandered down this The World Is All Going To Hell path, I might as well relate another sad story, Joni related. I was sitting in one of my current favorite places: a fantastic health food store/cafe in Exeter, NH, where I live. The Blue Moon. It's not just a store, its a community, with many beautiful people in it, including the family who runs the place. Yoga upstairs, the whole shebang. Anyway, I was sitting there one morning eating my delicious vegan spelt muffin, and drinking my dandelion tea. Because, of course... I'm a hippie. ;) It was pretty much just the kitchen staff and me there since it was the mid-morning lull, and the woman at the front register. And the opening piano jingle from "River" comes on the radio in the kitchen, and someone makes a comment about it being strange to have Christmas music playing in the Spring. Sez I, "Its Joni Mitchell". The kitchen folk all turn and look at me blankly. "Really?" You've got to be kidding. Y'all are kidding me, right? You're not serious. You're serious? Seriously? I'm sitting in a health food store full of women. Hip women. The only guy in the whole joint, and I'm the one who knows Joni? Me? With my Y chromosome, and my penis? I'm the only one? Absurd. Et tu, Robin? Say it isn't so. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. And they weren't all youngsters, either. I hate guessing women's ages but, Lisa's probably my age. And Kathy, the owner, must have 10 years on me, judging from her daughters' ages. Hell, she must've been in high school when Blue came out. Tsk, tsk. Oh well, I still love them. Years ago, it was my sisters who taught me about Joni. Apparently, now I have to teach some of them. Sorry about the length. I get carried away reminiscing. Love, David ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #239 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe