From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 4 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 223 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sarah Palin's voice [Jeannie ] Leonard Cohen - author ["Barbara Stewart" ] SV: Songs for Commercials? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Songs for Commercials? ["Cassy" ] Re: thoughts on election, election-inspired freebies; some movies and a Joni cover - SJC ["Cassy" ] Re: Joan completes the New York Marathon 2nd November 2008 [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Sarah Palin's voice Listening to Sarah Palin's shrieky voice as I drink my morning coffee is freaking nerve-racking. She sounds like an out of tune piano getting banged on the high keys all out of whack. Lordy!!! Good thing for the mute button on remotes but I still want to hear what BS she's yapping about but her voice totally turns me off so I'd rather just leave it on mute. Bill Mahar called her, "Governor Avon Lady," and that sounds more like it. She sounds like a high-pitched car or appliance sales woman who won't let you off the hook with that nagging voice until you buy what she wants to to buy! No thanks, not the type of woman I can listen to under any circumstance. I can spot those type of ladies a mile away and I turn around, and run the hell away. She needs to be given some voice and speech classes at least for the sake of her family and the Alaskans. Truly, Jeannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:38:34 -0500 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Leonard Cohen - author Rian: If your discovery of Leonard's music has brought pleasure, let me (as a 1960s adolescent fan) remind you that he was a nationally renowned and revered poet in Canada back in the late 60s and 70s. It is here that his vibrant imagery can be best appreciated. I recommend "Let Us Compare Mythologies" for some of his earliest successful work (had me swooning as an impressionable wishful poet of 11 years old), or the "Anthology" to dip into his maturation and transition over the decades. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=Leonard+Cohen or http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keyw ords=leonard+cohen He wrote a prize-winning novel back then : "Beautiful Losers", which is somewhat dated in the social context, but still absorbing to read. Try reading some passages aloud to appreciate the poetry in his prose. Can you tell? I'm an unapologetic diehard fan..... even in the romantic and intellectual (and physical) decline of my cynical late 50s. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:23:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: thoughts on election, election-inspired freebies; some movies and a Joni cover - SJC Hi all, B As a non-voting constituent of North Carolina, I have nevertheless been following election-related news every opportunity I get. I have become a news junkie unlike in 2004 when I was more curious about the conduct of the election rather than the actual results (although I still on the fence about the electoral college thing as the preferred mode of electing a president rather than popular votes -- just me). It is always interesting to read very different and oppositional opinions from writers. And whose viewpoint makes it to prime time news. B In all the debates I watched where a 'representative' group of people attend and a few even get selected to ask a question, I'm wondering if the questions are already known by the moderator so as not to veer away from the topic, or can someone ask a curveball question. A few months ago before the Wall Street financial meltdown, issues like immigration and border policing have been the centerpiece. I wish I can really hear what both candidates have to say to a lot of issues that are probably peripheral now since the economy has experienced its worst since 1929. B A noted film scholar -- David Bordwell -- has written about the idea of narratives and how the McCain and Obama campaigns focused on a specific and particular kind of narrativation to bolster the candidate. Fascinating read because it is not only a study in contrasts but it also informs us how campiagns and the whole enterprise of image-making are seen as more inmportant by the voters than any position of the candidate. B Anyway, I am way off base to my original topic: election-inspired freebies. Starbucks is giving free coffee on Tuesday in the Triangle but I am sure it is also nationwide. Some local bars and pubs here offer free drinks on election night as well as all kinds of food. The idea of community is once again promoted especially if there is a none-too-subtle encouragement for consumerism. I remember when I was growing up in the Philippines, that post-election counting of the votes takes days -- even weeks to do. The system then has yet to avail of the computerized system, plus if you are under a fascist dictatorship, you pray that election frauds would be minimized. There was no community celebration, just a fatiguing sense of 'let's-get-over-this-rigmarole' now. I'm wondering how our Joni bros and sisters are doing on election day as votes trickle in the news. I hope to see a movie about this election in the future. B Speaking of films, thanks Bob for the props for 'The Visitor' -- a very affecting film. That very last image in the film (and what it means in the context of the film) gives me goosebumps. Every time. Richard Jenkins is so moving with his facial placidity and non-expressions. If you all get the chance to watch 'The Band's Visit', it is also worth watching. What interests me more about that movie is how harmless it appears to us international audience, but the tension it has generated in the strained relations between Arab culture and their non-Arab neighbors, makes me even impressed the movie got made. Music became a universal symbol of understanding -- maybe not unity, but the start of an understanding. B Speaking of music, Linda Eder released an album where shecovered BSN. I am sure this is already in your radar, Bob, but just in case... Also a Japan-only release of Cheryl Bentyne's latest album showed that this Manhattan Transfer member performed BSN too. But CD prices from Nippon land is expensive. Also, I think aside from Norma Winstone's 'Big Yellow Taxi' cover, she released a Europe-only jazz album where she covered another Joni cover. I will check this again. B Back to lurkdom... B Joseph in Chapel Hill np:B Margo Guryan: Goodbye, July ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:49:00 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Songs for Commercials? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMQt7ARAqXs Are there any of Joni's songs you think would be good for advertising products? I could see "Night in the City" being used to sell make-up or clothing Car on the Hill or Born to Take the Highway - An automobile A Strange Boy - skateboards Shiny Toys - Just about anything Urge for going - Air travel Several artists have sold their songs to the advertising world, it's one way they can make money off their art now that sharing is so prevalent. Cassy NP: My heat kicking on If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:13:20 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Songs for Commercials? I really can't imagine Joni selling her songs to help market trivial products. Or maybe that is just my wishful thinking. I would really hate to hear snippets of Joni's songs on tv-commercials! Big yellow taxi - song for a cab company commercial? Help! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Cassy Skickat: den 3 november 2008 17:49 Till: JMDL Dmne: Songs for Commercials? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMQt7ARAqXs Are there any of Joni's songs you think would be good for advertising products? I could see "Night in the City" being used to sell make-up or clothing Car on the Hill or Born to Take the Highway - An automobile A Strange Boy - skateboards Shiny Toys - Just about anything Urge for going - Air travel Several artists have sold their songs to the advertising world, it's one way they can make money off their art now that sharing is so prevalent. Cassy NP: My heat kicking on If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:00:49 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Songs for Commercials? Whether we like it or not, it's happening even to artists who said they'd never sell out to advertising. The climate for sharing has necessitated songwriters using alternative means to make money and I don't blame them, there's nothing wrong with making money from one's art. Thinking a song might be good for advertising doesn't mean it will ever happen. I doubt seriously whether we will hear Joni's music in advertising but if we did, it could open up a whole new generation to her music. Cassy If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? From: "Marion Leffler" <<< I really can't imagine Joni selling her songs to help market trivial products. Or maybe that is just my wishful thinking. I would really hate to hear snippets of Joni's songs on tv-commercials! Big yellow taxi - song for a cab company commercial? Help! >>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:05:47 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: thoughts on election, election-inspired freebies; some movies and a Joni cover - SJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Palis" <<< A few months ago before the Wall Street financial meltdown, issues like immigration and border policing have been the centerpiece. I wish I can really hear what both candidates have to say to a lot of issues that are probably peripheral now since the economy has experienced its worst since 1929. >>> The economical crisis certainly took the spotlight away from the war didn't it? I am such a cynic, I can't help but think some of this has been orchestrated in order to re-focus our attention. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:28:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: thoughts on election, election-inspired freebies; some movies and a Joni cover - SJC I heartily second the endorsement, Joseph. And the extras on the DVD are worthwhile as well. I have all of them in the database, I have the Winstone & Eder recordings and am waiting for an affordable copy of the Bentyne one. Norma's website discography does not list any other Joni covers, so let me know if you turn anything else up. Bob NP: The Long Winters, "Teaspoon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mags Subject: joni mitchell songs on the cbc having followed that link, there's a blog on the page, which asks which joni mitchell song will stay with you. have a look, and add a comment if you please. http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/blog/2008/11/03/which_joni_mitchell_1.html#comments mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joan completes the New York Marathon 2nd November 2008 All my love goes out to Joan Armatrading for finishing off her run, busted knee and all, at November 2nd's NY Marathon. She made it!!! GO, Joan and I thank you for your courage for never letting up. Much love to you, dearest Joan Armatrading!!! You are a true and rich gift for our gender. Love, Jeannie - --- On Mon, 11/3/08, The Insider wrote: From: The Insider Subject: Joan completes the New York Marathon 2nd November 2008 To: "Jean " Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:39 PM Hi Jean Just to let you know that Joan completed the New York Marathon on 2nd of November 2008. She ran with a busted knee so we are really really proud of her spirit. She just kept going. She did it in 7 and a half hours, not a great time but we think a lot of people would have given up with the pain she went through. If you get a look at her crossing the finishing line with a big big smile on her face, walking, you would never know she had a painful knee. What a trouper. You can see a picture of Joan with her medal on the front page www.joanarmatrading.com As you now know Joan completed the marathon for the Women of the Year Foundation and to date has collectd #27, 936.26. You can still make a donation to the charity here http://www.justgiving.com/joanarmatrading Cheers The Insider www.joanarmatrading.com . PS Have you joined JABASPACE the online Joan Armatrading community.www.jabaspace.com 72 New Bond Street, London, A7 W1Y DGG, UNITED KINGDOM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:23:15 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Songs for Commercials. I guess, when being offered, Joni will say "over my dead body" Rian PS. But yes, commercials will introduce her music to brand new audiences. I'm voting for "California" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:19:44 +0000 From: Michael Subject: CBC blog:Which Joni Mitchell Song Will Stay With You Always? Since it's Joni's 65th (!) birthday on Friday, radio host Tom Allen and the crew on CBC Radio 2 Morning (6 a.m.-10 a.m.) are celebrating by playing her music all week -- and by asking you for your favourite Joni Mitchell song. Post your entry and see all related posts here! http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/blog/2008/11/03/which_joni_mitchell.html Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:00:15 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Songs for Commercials? Nothing pops into my head that would be particularly efficient for advertising. I suppose almost any song, strategically placed, could work. I'm not sure if I'd want to hear Joni's songs in commercials. I'm mixed on the use of songs in commercials. A part of me would love to hear Joni when flipping through channels and another part of me thinks that allowing your songs to sell a car or something is a compromise to your art. Again, a part of me, realizes it is a quick and easy way for a songwriter to make money. It is almost a logical way yet another part of me thinks that somebody so willing to put their song (a song they put their heart and soul into hopefully) in a commercial is loses a lot of integrity. I suppose I wouldn't mind a Joni song being put to good use--for an election campaign or a charity or something of that nature. I just wouldn't want to see All I Want selling diapers or anything. Although I have to say I've always thought something about "Urge For Going." When I first heard Crosby & Nash's version (I heard their cover before I heard Joni's original), I thought it would be a good song to advertise a laxative to help with constipation! "I get the urge for going, but I never seem to go!" I know, very silly and childish humor. I can't lie. I thought that the first time I heard the song. :/ - -Monika - --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Cassy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMQt7ARAqXs Are there any of Joni's songs you think would be good for advertising products? I could see "Night in the City" being used to sell make-up or clothing Car on the Hill or Born to Take the Highway - An automobile A Strange Boy - skateboards Shiny Toys - Just about anything Urge for going - Air travel Several artists have sold their songs to the advertising world, it's one way they can make money off their art now that sharing is so prevalent. Cassy NP: My heat kicking on If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #223 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe