From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #193 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 6 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 193 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The trashing of summer lawns ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Roll Call [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Roll Call ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #192 [StDoherty@aol.com] Desert Island Discs [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Roll Call [Bob Muller ] Re: Roll Call [Catherine McKay ] STAS and me [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Roll Call [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Roll Call [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: 'MOA' Vs. 'THOSL' ;-) [Michael Flaherty ] RE: Roll Call ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: STAS and me ["Richard Flynn" ] Re : this precious list- lets not get too precious ! [Lucy Hone ] re:desert island discs ["joe farrell" ] Chaka funks up another one [Bob Muller ] Subject: Roll Call ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] HOSL [SRobe444@aol.com] A picture of Wally and Jim ["Christopher Treacy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:10:36 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: The trashing of summer lawns With regard to recent discussions between Billy, Monica and others: Excuse my naivety, but I just don't understand the urge some people on this list seem to have to trash this or that album and to appoint this or that other album the highlight of Joni's genius. We have had these discussions before, and they have always made me wonder. Now please don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say that everyone should like each album just the same. I do have my preferences as well, and I love to read about how other list members interprete different songs and why they like them or dislike them. But why does any one album have to be "the worst" while another album is "the best", often stated not as an opinion but a matter of fact? What is that about? I see it this way: Joni puts out her work, and we can either enjoy it or let it be. We will relate to her songs in our different ways, some of them will be relevant to our lives and some won't. But let's not confuse our dislike of or indifference to some songs with judgement of quality. As for THOSL, it marks Joni's departure from so-called confessional song writing but no-one has ever convincingly argued that it also marks a departure from previous, supposedly higher, standards or quality. Criticism has been in terms of "harsh, cold, judgemental, arrogant", all having to do with how the listener perceives meaning and sentiment. So I guess the critics were disappointed to find a realistic story-telling Joni instead of the heart-broken, heart-mending Joni they expected. As we know, Shine has rendered similar "criticism" and worse. Some people can't seem to accept that the Joni of the late 60's and 70's is long gone. But all we can do is either to continue being interested in what she has to say or not to. Either way, it won't effect the quality of her work, as she has proven constantly. Doesn't criticism nearly always tell us more about the critic than the work that's being critizised? Have a nice Sunday, Marion in stormy, rainy autumn Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:15:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Roll Call In a message dated 10/5/2008 1:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > I'm wondering who on this list had Joni's first album when it was released. > I was in diapers Kate, so it wasn't me :~) JimmyNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Roll Call FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was in diapers Kate, so it wasn't me :~) You were in Depends by then, Jimmy. But on to happier things. I lived in Buffalo at the time of STAS's release and heard Night In the City on the Toronto radio (CHUM?) and literally ran out the door to buy the album. I loved the whole thing from first to last song. I like Wikipedia's assessment that the album is more evident of Joni's love and influence of classical music and not folk as it has been described. Jerry np:A Chair in the Sky - Robin Adler & Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:28:01 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #192 Good to hear some chatting about the Hissing of Summer Lawns. For me - I think it's a great album. Not Joni's best, but perfect for the time. I've been listening to it lately -- even before the posts. The one problem I have with it is the CD I purchased many years ago to replace my vinyl. The recording quality is bad, bad bad ... I have to get a new copy. Anyway - we've been speaking of characters -- you can't beat Edith and Scarlet - yippee. The Boho Dance was as autobiographical as anything she did (interesting since it's based on a book not written by Joni, but the equally accomplished Tom Wolfe). So all this talk about this 1975 collection is good to hear. I'd like to hear some chatting about the album she released a decade later (Dog Eat Dog). **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:31:09 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Desert Island Discs Opera director, David McVicar, chose A Case of You as one of his desert island discs today on BBC Radio 4. He agreed that it was for his partner of 4 years and said that he had loved Joni's music for most of his life. Unfortunately, the Beeb don't let you "listen again" but the program is repeated next Friday at 9 am. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Roll Call I didn't get STAS until 1998 when I joined this list. It was the only album of her back collection that I didn't have. Bob NP: Me, "Like A Rolling Stone" (sounds great, Dave & Chris - thanks mates!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 07:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Roll Call - --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: Re: Roll Call > To: FMYFL@aol.com > Cc: kate@katebennett.com, joni@smoe.org > > I was in diapers Kate, so it wasn't me :~) > > You were in Depends by then, Jimmy. But on to happier > things. > I lived in Buffalo at the time of STAS's release and > heard Night In the > City on the Toronto radio (CHUM?) and literally ran out the > door to buy > the album. I loved the whole thing from first to last song. > I like > Wikipedia's assessment that the album is more evident > of Joni's love and > influence of classical music and not folk as it has been > described. > Boys, boys, boys! You crack me up. I didn't hear STAS until after I had Clouds. I got Clouds on the advice of a friend and immediately fell in love with the music. Within a week or two, I bought STAS. I used to listen to CHUM-FM all the time back then, Jerry. They played some wicked stuff. Today they're a middle-of-the-road radio station, very mainstream. It always thrilled me to bits when I heard Joan on the radio. All this talk about which albums are the good albums... At the time, of course, I loved both Clouds and STAS. Nowadays, I don't listen to either that much. I wondered about wtking's mention of Miles of Aisles being a hit. I'm too lazy to go back and find the posts about that, so am using one to answer various topics. I don't recall MOA being a hit and don't recall it being played it on the radio. But then I realized, I wasn't in the English-speaking world when it came out. That was the year I was in Quebec, so maybe I missed it. I didn't realize it was apparently that popular. I never heard any of it in Quebec. I never bought MOA until a few years ago. I know my sister had the album back then, and I remember hearing it at her house and thinking I really needed to buy it but never got around to it until much later. If I had to pick between MOA and Hissing, Hissing would win for me. I love Joni's voice on it. It's all a matter of personal preference. We all have different taste and some prefer early Joni to later Joni. I appreciate all of it. I'm not sure how many artists have gone through as many changes as Joan. I'm not sure whether being a "critic" necessarily makes a person any more qualified to comment on how good one album is compared to another. If a person is a critic, paid by someone to provide their opinion, the main difference between that person and anyone else, assuming the two have some kind of musical knowledge or experience to provide more than simply an, "I like it" or "I hate it" response, is that the professional gets paid for their advice. Nor do I think that having hits or being popular with the masses makes one song or one album better than any other. All we have to do is look at the kind of drek that's played on radio these days (becoming crotchety and showing my age now?) So much music that's played on popular radio today is based on electronically produced beats and nonsensical lyrics that appeal to the crotch more than to the heart or mind. This stuff is marketed so relentlessly that it insinuates itself into people's consciousness and, even though I don't have a great deal of faith in popular taste, when you're given a diet made up mostly of junk food, then you probably wouldn't recognize a nutritious meal. And the mark-up on junk food is higher than it is on fruits and vegetables, so much more money can be made on it, therefore flogging it to the masses is bound to bring in huge profits. That's enough of my rant for now. NP: Tift Merritt - "Hopes too high." (I love this girl's voice and tunes.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:14:39 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: STAS and me Kate an all: I was following her music before STAS, after hearing the Judy Collins 'Wildflowers' album and the Tom Rush 'Circle Game'. I also bought the Dave Van Ronk Hudson Dusters album with the 'Clouds' fragment. Also, while waiting for the album that would surely bust out of this enormously talented new songwriter, I was playing a summer residency in '68 at a new club on Cape Cod called 'Deacon's Perch' This was a duo--I played my Wurly behind an Irish tenor named Tommy Sullivan (Kakki's mother was a fan!) who later went on to 40-watt fame (If You Could See What I Hear, MASH, WKRP, Carson) while I went back to school. When Tommy blew his voice out half-way into that summer, I started doing opening sets solo on guitar, to take some burden off his voice. I recall doing 'Early Morning Rain' and 'Pride of Man', Four Strong Winds and Mr. Spoons, Lady Came from Baltimore, Misty Roses and If I were a Carpenter, 'For Loving Me', Jet Plane, really earth-shattering stuff. But I was also doing 'Urge' that summer. A set was broadcast live on WCOD on Tuesday nights, and I have a reel tape from the radio studio which includes 'Urge'. Some on-mic banter with a a waitress prior to the tune refers to this as her (Joni Gonsalves') favorite song... I can't recall exactly when STAS was released, but my roommate Tim Ingram, now of Austin, bought it immediately (fall of 68?) Frankly I was disappointed to see that it did not include Urge or Both Sides Now...I thought nothing on STAS quite equalled these... Over the summer of 69 the local PBS station was broadcasting back-to- back Arlo and Joni concerts, which they repeated every day for a week. Tim and I watched it just about every day, transfixed, on the only color TV we knew. That's also the summer of the Moonwalk, and Woodstock. A bunch of us including Tim went from Cambridge (with tickets) in a rented merc station wagon. We arrived on Friday in time to be in place for Havens. The only real connection here is that another person knew I was totally enraptured with Joni, and boasted that since he was related to Joel Zoss ('Too Long at the Fair') and knew Peter Yarrow he could arrange for me to meet Joni (who would surely be there) so that I could propose to her! I was a bit nervous that this actually might come to pass! We got busted by NY troopers on the way home, but avoided serious unpleasantries. One idiot among us went through the shakedown with several tabs of acid in his belt pouch...then, having escaped the search, (and endangering all 7 of us) he made the FURTHER questionable decision to toss the acid... So that's my antediluvian history with STAS, with bonus tracks. I still only have the vinyl of this album... and my life is considerably less exciting, thank you. np: 'Itchykoo Park' Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Roll Call Not me. Too young. Still, I had it over 15 years before Bob did, which really surprises me. ;) Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Roll Call Unfortunately I wasn't even born at its release. That is one thing I am always envious about on this list--the folks who have been with Joni throughout all these years. I have no such story but what can you do? I will say my first album of Joni's I tried out was C&S. Shortly after that, I tried out Blue after reading somewhere that you *have* to hear Blue. I believe after Blue came Clouds, then LOTC. I remember getting THOSL and Hejira together and very much warming up to THOSL. Hejira took a little longer to absorb. I think STAS came perhaps after that. That album also took a little longer to absorb. - -Monika - --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Kate Bennett wrote: I'm wondering who on this list had Joni's first album when it was released. I did but I can't remember if it was me that bought it or my best friend. We used to listen to STAS & other albums for hours in her room. My friend & I are still in touch after all these years. Kate Next? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: 'MOA' Vs. 'THOSL' ;-) - ----- Original Message ---- From: Monika Bogdanowicz >>>Also, what is a critic to me? I could not care less about what one critic says. I form my own opinion. Exactly, Monica, although you're wasting your typing fingers if you think this often made point is going to be heard. This same argument keeps coming up with no acknowledgment of any counter-argument that's been made. When the answer is made but ignored, it's best to leave the issue silence until it goes away. We have to be consistent. If we say "the critics love Blue and C&S sold the most copies, therefore these are demonstrably better albums than the late 70s albums", we also have to say that "Joni Mitchell, is, at best, a B level artist--a female Bob Dylan, but far less important." In fact, if we go by sales, Joni is not even a major artist. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:59:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Roll Call But monika you have no idea how it thrills us old farts to have the young'ns discover joni :~} kate ? Unfortunately I wasn't even born at its release. That is one thing I am always envious about on this list--the folks who have been with Joni throughout all these years.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:03:33 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: STAS and me I'm younger than Chuck, but I bought the first album when it came out. I was 13, and after listenting to it I immediately began detuning the Martin D-28 I had gotten for my 13th birthday in January and learned to play "Catcus Tree." I bought the first Big Brother and the Holding Company lp on the Mainstream label the same day. Took D.C. Transit to Soul Shack at 12th & G, where albums were cheap. I still have both LPs. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Eisenhardt Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:15 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: STAS and me Kate an all: I was following her music before STAS, after hearing the Judy Collins 'Wildflowers' album and the Tom Rush 'Circle Game'. I also bought the Dave Van Ronk Hudson Dusters album with the 'Clouds' fragment. Also, while waiting for the album that would surely bust out of this enormously talented new songwriter, I was playing a summer residency in '68 at a new club on Cape Cod called 'Deacon's Perch' This was a duo--I played my Wurly behind an Irish tenor named Tommy Sullivan (Kakki's mother was a fan!) who later went on to 40-watt fame (If You Could See What I Hear, MASH, WKRP, Carson) while I went back to school. When Tommy blew his voice out half-way into that summer, I started doing opening sets solo on guitar, to take some burden off his voice. I recall doing 'Early Morning Rain' and 'Pride of Man', Four Strong Winds and Mr. Spoons, Lady Came from Baltimore, Misty Roses and If I were a Carpenter, 'For Loving Me', Jet Plane, really earth-shattering stuff. But I was also doing 'Urge' that summer. A set was broadcast live on WCOD on Tuesday nights, and I have a reel tape from the radio studio which includes 'Urge'. Some on-mic banter with a a waitress prior to the tune refers to this as her (Joni Gonsalves') favorite song... I can't recall exactly when STAS was released, but my roommate Tim Ingram, now of Austin, bought it immediately (fall of 68?) Frankly I was disappointed to see that it did not include Urge or Both Sides Now...I thought nothing on STAS quite equalled these... Over the summer of 69 the local PBS station was broadcasting back-to- back Arlo and Joni concerts, which they repeated every day for a week. Tim and I watched it just about every day, transfixed, on the only color TV we knew. That's also the summer of the Moonwalk, and Woodstock. A bunch of us including Tim went from Cambridge (with tickets) in a rented merc station wagon. We arrived on Friday in time to be in place for Havens. The only real connection here is that another person knew I was totally enraptured with Joni, and boasted that since he was related to Joel Zoss ('Too Long at the Fair') and knew Peter Yarrow he could arrange for me to meet Joni (who would surely be there) so that I could propose to her! I was a bit nervous that this actually might come to pass! We got busted by NY troopers on the way home, but avoided serious unpleasantries. One idiot among us went through the shakedown with several tabs of acid in his belt pouch...then, having escaped the search, (and endangering all 7 of us) he made the FURTHER questionable decision to toss the acid... So that's my antediluvian history with STAS, with bonus tracks. I still only have the vinyl of this album... and my life is considerably less exciting, thank you. np: 'Itchykoo Park' Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:03:16 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re : this precious list- lets not get too precious ! Apologies Joni Onlies as there is no actual Joni content, but the JMDL is about us all being here because of our love of Joni Mitchell's music - -whether that love is huge and all encompassing or vaguely tenuous. Either one is relevant - or you would not be here and possibly reading this would you? Part of Patti's post is copied in below and it set me thinking (always a dangerous thing) but this weekend has re-affirmed for me what the JMDL is about. I have just said good bye to Les Ross and Chris Marshall who came down for the weekend. they are people I love dearly as friends and I value their friendship so much. I can add to this a number of other people and they know who they are but this is not a glory list of "who I love" but about the community we have all chosen to be part of in whatever way we do. >>I just got home from a peoples party (Oktoberfest), and I was talking about the JMDL. (Imaginez-vous!) One woman said: "Oh, I totally understand. >>I am on the Alice Cooper discussion list and it's so cool!" >> >>Well, I'm glad this person is happy with her list (we all come from such different sets of circumstance) , and I didn't want to get all snooty on her (you know, that's not my style), so I just smiled inside my heart and mind, knowing that what we have here is -- for lack of better words -- very special. We have a broader sensibility. We have JONI! >> In the 5 years I have been a member of this list- Almost 6 -actually. I have come to know quite a few of the members on this list as personal friends. They have stayed at my house, I have visited them. I now have three Fests under my belt - the last one I organised in the UK and it was a warm, intimate and friendly gathering of 23 people with differing, interesting and valuable viewpoints on life, the universe and everything that could be discussed. Dave Blackburn has posted a link to the Holycombe music and I have had the privilege of listening to these recordings over the last few days. The spirit of this community fleshes out into marvellous and memorable gatherings such as we had at Holycombe, in France in 2005 and in America on so many occasions. Some people come to listen, some to perform, some to fullfil their curiosity, some to chill out around superb musicianship and some to do all of this and others keep their motives hidden. Joni was sung loudly and long but so were the Beatles, So were some 4am bawdy folk songs. Also some James Taylor, some Bob Dylan and Joan Baez - the Tragically Hip and other artists. Luckily it was not just Joni since we all need to keep a broad and inquisitive sense of the other amazing talents out there. I always think of the JMDL as a street with all of us as neighbours. Some of us get together and chat, some we pass by hardly knowing them. Some of us are curtain twitchers, some of us throw loud parties and everyone knows who we are, whether they have ever spoken to us is another thing. But then those that we don't talk to possibly have close and vibrant relationships with other people on the street but because we do not know them, we assume they don't. AS I get older I realise that there is so much more going on in communities than any of us realise. Sub communities, sub interests, sideline conversations, off list/street pockets of things that we - not being omniscient beings - know nothing about. I think we need to recognise the wonderful and unique quality of each person's enjoyment of their own communities both in the real world and on this vast and facilitating ether. Alice Cooper is an amazing artist, he is also great fun and I would imagine that within their list of mambers they have terrific get togethers, perform Alice Cooper stuff and other artists..... Fairport Convention have a thriving and vastly popular community culminating in a sell-out concert every year at Cropredy in Oxfordshire - not far from where this years UK Fest took place. I can imagine the James Taylor community being equally as involved and vibrant as this one but then I think Joni and James are similarly intelligent, musically talented individuals. What the Bob Dylan community has to offer I am considering checking out. What makes Joni special to us is not one thing - but many things on many levels and that is how it is for other people about their artists. What we should never do is assume we are better than other communities, that Joni is some deity, or that we hold a moral or intellectualy sensibility lacking in others. Compared to some of the Opera groups we are total philistines - so I cannot laugh behind my hand at any one who is passionate about the group or community they belong to. It matters to them, and providing they are not harming living being with their passion for their artist - who are we to sneer at them for what might to some of us be low brow.. The sound of farting makes me laugh out loud - but I can cry at "The Lark Ascending" by Ralph Vaughan Williams. I have no more sensibility because I like Joni, than I do not do for really enjoying "The Queens of the Stone Age" or "Led Zeppelin's Kashmir" blaring very very loudly from my car CD at times... I am someone very very interested in hearing all sorts of things. Different strokes for different folks - let us embrace the beautiful diversity of this world and not think we are better than others - I can think of nothing less attractive than smug self-satisfaction. I am grateful that Les Irvine has built on what was started by Jim Johansen and that we are all here to share our lives and stories and thoughts on many things. The day I start to think I am better than any one else because I have an internet community as part of my life is the day I unsub. Lucy in England - listening to the Holycombe recording of Mr Muller singing Bob Dylan - Rolling Stone (I bet their community have a great time too) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:19:04 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Roll Call I was 14 when STAS was released and had been sent away to parochial boarding school for my high school years. They only let us rejoin the real world for 3 days every month and the first thing I'd do when I got home was either get on the bicycle or walk to the local record coop head shop which was called Penny Lane to buy an new album or two. When I walked in the store they were playing STAS and I don't even remember which album/s I had gone there intending to buy but STAS is what I ended up bringing home. Something about Joni's voice struck a nerve and I was hooked (for life it would seem). I remember that later that evening my old neighborhood friends all stopped by knowing that the young "Mr. Mischief" was back in town and I played the album for them. The general consensus among them was "chick tunes" or "chick sh*t" and I was so disappointed but figured they just didn't get it. I didn't know what it was at the time but as I got older I realized that Joni speaks directly to the very essence of your soul whether she's intending to or not. Some get it, some never will and that is the beauty of Joni and her music. I still have that vinyl album and have purchased every new Joni release for the last 40 years as soon as I could get my hands on them. Bruce In Tucson where fall is finally here! Kate Bennett wrote: >I'm wondering who on this list had Joni's first album when it was released. >I did but I can't remember if it was me that bought it or my best friend. >We used to listen to STAS & other albums for hours in her room. My friend & >I are still in touch after all these years. Kate > >Next? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:42:36 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:desert island discs on desert island discs (bbc radio 4 uk) this am david mc vicar, scottish opera director, chose "a case of you" by joni as one of the tracks he would take to his desert island. he said he had listened to her music for many years. cleary a man with great taste. for those who are not familiar with the programme desert island discs is a long running uk bbc radio programme in which a subject is asked to choose eight records they would want to have with them if they were marooned on a desert island. joni would be a must right. "cactus tree" would definitely be one of mine along with "electricity", "don't interrupt the sorrow", "hijera". there are so many, no i couldn't just choose one. the programme is broadcast again at 9am this coming friday on radio. i'm sure it is also available on the bbc website. regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Chaka funks up another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp9kVjWKoj0 Chaka Khan turning in a nice funky/calypso version of Carey. How does she sleep with all that hair? Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Young At Heart" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:03:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Roll Call Not me. In fact, I didn't buy STAS until about 1990 or so. Jim L'Hommedieu Kate Bennett said, >I'm wondering who on this list had Joni's first album when it was released. I did but I can't remember if it was me that bought it or my best friend. We used to listen to STAS & other albums for hours in her room. My friend & I are still in touch after all these years.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:57:11 EDT From: SRobe444@aol.com Subject: HOSL I still love this album: loved it when it first came out, still love it today. Brilliant concept: Harry's House very John Updike in its own way. The Boho Dance still runs through my mind just about every day - is commercial succes s the equivalent of artistic failure? Or do unsucccessful peoiple wrap themselves in a sanctity of failure that justifies their art? "Like a priest with a pornographic watch/Lookin' and longin' on the sly..." I was surprised to read that In France They Kiss on Main Street bombed as a single. I always wondered why it WASN'T released as a single - I thought it would have been Number One! Shows my taste. Anyway, the album cost Joni some fans, but I always figured that they were the ones that liked CAS, her most commercially successful album. But judging from the comments, I guess there were some Joni diehards that didn't care for it either. Steve Roberts **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:59:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: A picture of Wally and Jim ..I definitely still have it somewhere - I've been meaning to dig for it the last few days, but work has me mired in deadlines. I thought it would be nice for Les to post on JM.com somewhere maybe. Wally and I were penpals in the earely 90's - we also talked on the phone a lot and did a massive amount of tape trading in the year or two before he launched the website. He sent me some photos of him in front of Joni's house in Bel Air (not the time she invited him - a previous visit where he just took a shot of himself at the front gate) and one of he and Jim hanging out. Hopefully I can find it in the next few days. Cheers, Chris ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #193 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe