From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #173 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 173 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: Joni pic from Banff [Bob Muller ] Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? [Bob Muller ] Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Redux ["Jerry Notaro" ] Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam, maybe I'll go to Rome - Really! [Merk54@aol.c] Re: Song in your head? ["Mark Angelo" ] Questions for Sharon ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Questions for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RIP - Richard Wright [Cindy Vickery ] Re: Redux ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Redux ["Jerry Notaro" ] "The Music of Joni Mitchell" (the first song folio) [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Best Concert Ever [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Redux [Bob Muller ] Re: Redux ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Redux ["T Peckham" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:24:39 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? I'm talking about Herbie's Both Sides Now on his River album. Is that Both Sides Now 'Both Sides Now'? The song is heavily reconstructed that i cannot realize if that song is Both Sides Now if i didn't see the notes. In my opinion, the song is not Both Sides Now anymore because it's way too different from the original. Am i the only one who think so? Rian Starving NR- Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni pic from Banff Thanks a lot for sharing it, Michael - looks like all she's missing is her little red book. Bob NP: Ani, "Imperfectly" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? No, it's been discussed before. First time I heard it, I didn't know what the heck it was until about 3 minutes or so into it when he give you that ONE little signature melodic moment that lets you know its BSN. Is that a BAD thing? I dunno, but it's not uncommon in the jazz world. Bob NP: Wilco, "What Light" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:57:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? Rian, Good jazz deconstructs and reconstructs the music the same way Picasso's cubist paintings deconstructed realistic art. It is part of "Modernism." Jerry > I'm talking about Herbie's Both Sides Now on his River album. > Is that Both Sides Now 'Both Sides Now'? > The song is heavily reconstructed that i cannot realize if that song is Both > Sides Now if i didn't see the notes. > > In my opinion, the song is not Both Sides Now anymore because it's way too > different from the original. > Am i the only one who think so? > > Rian > Starving > NR- Walt Whitman - Leaves of Grass ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:23:15 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is Both Sides Now Both Sides Now? Jerry wrote: Rian, Good jazz deconstructs and reconstructs the music the same way Picasso's cubist paintings deconstructed realistic art. >> Yes. But this jazz left only two and a quarter percent of the original melody. Should it be titled Both Sides Now? (oh, yes, why not?) Rian wondering why his reply to Bob's comment didn't appear on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Redux FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE From: Lee Courtney, Music Director CONTACT: Flee@wmnf.org, 727-397-7217 WMNF Presents: You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight WHAT: 14 area bands/solo performers do their versions of Joni Mitchell songs WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse, 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa COST: Tickets $12 advance/$15 door Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential female recording artists of the 20th century. Mitchell confronted expectations at every turn; innovative, her music evolved from folk into pop, jazz, avant-garde, and world music, presaging the multicultural experimentation of the 1980/90s by over a decade. Her music resisted the whims of both mainstream audiences and the male-dominated recording industry. While Mitchell's records never sold as many as her contemporaries, none experimented with their artistic identities or explored territory outside of the confines of pop music, resulting in a creative legacy which paved the way for future female performers. To celebrate her legacy and musical diversity, WMNF is presenting 14 bands and/or solo performers ranging in style from Rock to Reggae, Funk to Folk and almost everything in between. All the bands and solo performers will interpret their favorite Joni Mitchell classics in their own style on Saturday, November 1, 2008 at Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa 6pm to Midnight. WMNF Community Radio - 88.5 FM - www.wmnf.org 1210 East Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Tampa, FL 33603-4449 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:55:16 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam, maybe I'll go to Rome - Really! I just read a couple of emails with this as the subject, and it kind of freaked me out, because I will traveling to Frankfurt in a couple of weeks on business, but will be flying in early and leaving a couple of days late so I can bop around Europe for a while. I start my trip as a Free Man in Paris for the weekend (Sept 26), attend my business meetings in Frankfurt on Monday and Tuesday, and then was debating what to do with the rest of the week. I was originally going to go to Amsterdam and meet up with some friends who were going to fly there to meet me, but then they couldn't make it, and the idea of going to Rome suddendly struck me. Maybe it was Joni speaking to me subliminally - who knows. But Rome it is (with a small detour to Florence)! The Joni references never even dawned me while I was making my plans - then I read those emails and made the connection. If anyone has any must do's for Paris, Frankfurt, Florence or Rome (besides the obvious), please drop me line off the list. Jack - who is very excited about his impending trip to Europe. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:53 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Song in your head? Pink - Dear Mr. President "What do you feel when you look in the mirror" Are you proud?"... "How can you hold your head up high? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4 - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Happy The Man wrote: > (Angels Want to Wear My) Red Shoes > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of > Monika Bogdanowicz > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:12 AM > To: Joni people! > Subject: Song in your head? > > Do you currently have a song stuck in your head? I woke up with Ladies > Man, > for whatever reason, in my head. That isn't too odd for me. I often wake > up > with songs in my head (I wake up to the sound of music)...the lyrics just > going round and round my brain. I even wake up with songs that I don't > consciously know all the lyrics to but there they are in my head upon > waking. > -Monika > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:46:35 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Questions for Sharon I remember Karen Marie raised an interesting question some years ago, that maybe Sharon / Lisa can answer- That is: Who's Golden Reggie? Referred to in the lines: And when I went skating after Golden Reggie You know it was white lace I was chasing... Is this a real person or just some Prince Charming or maybe as it sounds like for me, a dog? Best Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:55:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Questions for Sharon Yeah, that *IS* a good one, Oddmund - I'm going to send that email out tonight to her daughter. I'll let you know when I hear back. 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Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Redux Believe me, I emailed him such. Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >> recording >> artists of the 20th century. > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:08:34 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: "The Music of Joni Mitchell" (the first song folio) I was lucky enough to come by a nice copy of the first folio, with the same self-portrait that appears on the 'Clouds' album cover... This first printing (1969) is beautiful. I got lost in her eyes for quite a while....and that lipstick (....I won't go there...) The colors here are noticeably more vivid than the LP cover, and it quite leaps off the page. I took some handheld shots of it which I'd be happy to share with anyone who writes me off-line, and is nice. If you see this book, jump on it. There is a gatefold black and white photo by Bonnie Schiffman in the front of the book, and numerous other b&w and color photos by Graham Nash, Joel Bernstein, and others including 'Mrs. William Anderson' and these last are presumably the childhood shots. Great pix of Graham and Cros...on and on. If anyone's curious, check out what used booksellers are getting for the folios these days. Go to alibris.com or abebooks.com and search on her as 'author' ....it's amazing. DJRD seems to be the folio in most demand (priced accordingly at $330). Even the Poems and lyrics s pulling down 3 times the publication price in some cases. Most sought of all are the exhibition books....'Voices' from the Mendel show is listed at $780 on Alibris; the 'Black Paintings' book almost as much. Don't know what to say, but I'm amazed. I guess we should hold dear what we've collected, and/or swoop in when something presents at a fair price. ... still looking for the Blue folio, and an FTR that isn't falling apart! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:12:16 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Redux You go! Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Mark Scott" Cc: "Jerry Notaro" ; "jon i" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Redux > Believe me, I emailed him such. > > Mark Scott wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Notaro" >>> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >>> recording >>> artists of the 20th century. >> >> Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:25:17 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Concert Ever In a message dated 9/14/08 3:14:14 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: Salon.com: Best Concert You Ever Saw > > Dear Joniamigos: > > Salon.com has an "Informal Open Call: Best Concert You Ever Saw" going on. > > http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=17557&source=newsletter > > Someone (Procopius) wrote: > > "CSNY, Joni Mitchell, Beach Boys, Jesse Colin Young ... Roosevelt Raceway, > Long Island. Sept. 1974. I skipped freshman orientation at college and > hitchhiked there ..." > > Ha! I was there! But I never saw that hitcher on the fine white lines of > the free freeway. Maybe we would have picked him up in our blue Volvo with > the "Impeach The President. Now More Than Ever" > Hi, Patti, Just for the record (!) the CSNY portion of that concert can be heard (in two parts) on Wolfgang's Vault website (along with lots of other live concerts) but I couldn't find any Joni listed there. It's a free site and has a VAST selection to check out (and, if you have an app like IRecordMusic, you can even download the concerts). My favorite concert ever? Wish I could say one of Joni's but I never caught her live. How can anyone pick one concert to call the best? Maybe one of the early Todd Rundgren or Joe Walsh shows or the 2005 Joe Jackson at Town Hall. Or maybe Rufus Wainwright or... Kenny B ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Redux It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he should have snipped the 'female' part out. Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Notaro To: Mark Scott Cc: Jerry Notaro ; jon i Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:46:39 PM Subject: Re: Redux Believe me, I emailed him such. Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >> recording >> artists of the 20th century. > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Redux Now, now. Let's not be so JMDL critical :) He is a huge fan and is making nothing by putting this together. NP: Show Me Some Love Bob Muller wrote: > It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he > should have snipped the 'female' part out. > > Bob > > NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jerry Notaro > To: Mark Scott > Cc: Jerry Notaro ; jon i > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:46:39 PM > Subject: Re: Redux > > Believe me, I emailed him such. > > Mark Scott wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Notaro" >>> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* >>> recording >>> artists of the 20th century. >> >> Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! >> >> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:16:09 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Redux Oh dear, I just can't help myself . . . "he should have snipped the 'female' part out." Careful! :-P Terra On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > It was just a cut-and-paste from the allmusic.com writeup. Still, he > should have snipped the 'female' part out. > > Bob > > NP: Cassandra Wilson, "Show Me A Love" > > Mark Scott wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Notaro" > >> Joni Mitchell is one the most important and influential *female* > >> recording > >> artists of the 20th century. > > > > Uh-oh! A Joni no-no! > > > > Mark in Seattle > - -- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #173 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe