From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #170 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 13 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 170 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Link to the Sydney Opera concert ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Live At Carnegie Hall ["T Peckham" ] Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon [Bob Muller ] Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon ["T Peckham" ] Re: Worst song ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar [Mark-Leon Thorne ] speaking of sharon & harvest moons some jc ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Link to the Sydney Opera concert Thank you so much guys for enabling me to download! I haven't listened yet but certainly will sometime during the weekend. And Mark in Sydney, your designs are superb as usual! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:52:20 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: Worst song "In my opinion the worst song ever is a a million versions of Both Sides Now, jeeeeesus does that song annoy me when sung by tow chinese teenagers. It really gets unbearable. That and anything by Abba." Ah, Bene, but you must remember the sublime version of BSN at Joni Fest by Robin and Dave? When someone really GETS a song when they sing it, it can still have the power, and even new power, of a first hearing. Even if you've heard it 590 times and more! I heard every word anew when Robin sang it at Fest. I always really hated the first version I heard of BSN which was the jingly jangly oh so pretty version sung by Judy Collins. The song meant nothing to me as a consequence, till I heard Joni do it on Clouds. Then I began to really get the song. My Mum wants Joni's version of BSN at her funeral. How cool is my Mum! Anita BTW, what's wrong with the wonderful Abba? _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 750 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:29:25 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Live At Carnegie Hall T H A N K Y O U Mark-Leon and Mark in Florida ! ! ! On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > Here are the two links in "clickable" form for any others that may be > having > difficulties. > Best > -- > -Mark in Florida > > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/604813888/53ac354d0e3306d3e8e9bca8e3123524 > > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/604838542/e33b224dd59ab6cf8a520b39c8e0103c > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne >wrote: > > > Hi folks. > > > > I hope you all enjoyed Joni Live At The Sydney Opera House. Here is > another > > gem. This was requested by Barry in Jerusalem. This is Joni Live At > Carnegie > > Hall from 1972. It's really a fabulous concert. Joni was on a real high > (not > > literally). She is in such a great mood and talks to the audience a lot. > The > > audience, in return, is very well behaved and respectful. Like they > really > > wanted to be there. > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Howdy all, Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For Sharon" fame)'s daughter Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we Joniphiles are an inquisitive bunch when it come to details about our Joni. Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: "She's actually retired from teaching for a few years now, but she's continued to sing through the years. She'd still like to make another recording, but I don't think it will be in the near future. I have to say that she was quite astonished to discover that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with her this evening about it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She was quite tickled. My parents still live on the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, as well. My other sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a house in Alberta, but mostly lives in China. The last time I saw Joni was last year at her mother's funeral in Saskatoon. Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when she died. Her husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like grandparents to me. He and my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. I don't know what you might want to know, but I can try to answer your questions if you like." So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an online interview with Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all to suggest some questions. Let me know what you think and I'll compile them and get some responses. Should be pretty cool! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:26:03 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was it on the list, or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could direct me to more info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Howdy all, > > Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For Sharon" fame)'s daughter > Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we Joniphiles are an inquisitive > bunch when it come to details about our Joni. > > Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: > > "She's actually retired from > teaching for a few years now, but she's continued to sing through the > years. > She'd still like to make another recording, but I don't think it will be in > the near future. I have to say that she was quite astonished to discover > that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with her this evening about > it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She was quite tickled. > > My parents still live on > the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, as well. My other > sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a house in Alberta, > but > mostly lives in China. > > The last time I saw Joni was last year at her mother's funeral in > Saskatoon. > Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when she died. Her > husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like grandparents to me. He and > my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. > > I don't know what you might want to know, but I can try to answer your > questions if you like." > > So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an online interview with > Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all to suggest some questions. > Let me know what you think and I'll compile them and get some responses. > Should be pretty cool! > > Bob > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Lisa picked up Muller's and my names from one of the archives (how weird is that, given the discussion about that within the last week or two.) She said that (like many of us) she had been doing a search on her name, then decided to do a search on her mother's name and came across one of the archives (she thought it was a blog of some kind) and found Muller's and my e-mail addresses, so she e-mailed the two of us. In fact, she had an older e-mail address of Muller's, so I forwarded the e-mail to his current one. I don't even remember any discussion about Sharon having made a record, but Muller has a copy. - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, T Peckham wrote: > Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was > it on the list, > or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could > direct me to more > info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Bob Muller > wrote: > > > Howdy all, > > > > Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For > Sharon" fame)'s daughter > > Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we > Joniphiles are an inquisitive > > bunch when it come to details about our Joni. > > > > Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: > > > > "She's actually retired from > > teaching for a few years now, but she's continued > to sing through the > > years. > > She'd still like to make another recording, but I > don't think it will be in > > the near future. I have to say that she was quite > astonished to discover > > that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with > her this evening about > > it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She > was quite tickled. > > > > My parents still live on > > the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, > as well. My other > > sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a > house in Alberta, > > but > > mostly lives in China. > > > > The last time I saw Joni was last year at her > mother's funeral in > > Saskatoon. > > Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when > she died. Her > > husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like > grandparents to me. He and > > my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. > > > > I don't know what you might want to know, but I > can try to answer your > > questions if you like." > > > > So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an > online interview with > > Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all > to suggest some questions. > > Let me know what you think and I'll compile them > and get some responses. > > Should be pretty cool! > > > > Bob > > > > > > -- > Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: > You can kiss my > sweet ass. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:25:18 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Lisa picked up Muller's and my names from one of the archives (how weird is > that, given the discussion about that within the last week or two.) She said > that (like many of us) she had been doing a search on her name, then decided > to do a search on her mother's name and came across one of the archives (she > thought it was a blog of some kind) and found Muller's and my e-mail > addresses, so she e-mailed the two of us. In fact, she had an older e-mail > address of Muller's, so I forwarded the e-mail to his current one. Thanks for the explanation. (*This* use of technology I love!) > > I don't even remember any discussion about Sharon having made a record, but > Muller has a copy. Well, of course he does! Scary . . . :-D > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, T Peckham wrote: > > > Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was > > it on the list, > > or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could > > direct me to more > > info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:07:22 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: urgent question from Jody Johnson I just got a text message from our Jody girl: "Im at tom rush what should i ask him abu joni" (sic) 9:50 p.m. EST Anyone? Hurry! Last chance lost! xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:41:08 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Worst song Regarding BSN - my first recollection of hearing BSN was flying back from Amsterdam to JFK on a KLM 747 and it was the Judy Collins version that was a big hit apparently stateside at the time. Yes jingly jangly come to think of it, but I liked it at the time, I still do. This seems to me about the time when Bread was in their heyday. It was years before I even heard of Joni. Anyhow, I kind of prefer that version to this day slightly over the original acoustic version from "Clouds" I would later discover by Joni - the melody actually differs quite a bit - ...perhaps because I associate it with what seemed like a simpler world that actually made some sense in those youthful years. Yes the Joni version is slower-paced, far less fluffier and quite a bit deeper, but I still like Judy's version. I love Joni's BSN performance with the orchestra (it sounds so epic - like it belongs in movies, I'm certain it has been featured in some by now) and again the melody of the song changes considerably from the original. And speaking of simpler times, I think I will pass for now on the other 589 covers!! On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Anita Tedder wrote in part: > > I always really hated the first version I heard of BSN which was the jingly > jangly oh so pretty version sung by Judy Collins. The song meant nothing to > me as a consequence, till I heard Joni do it on Clouds. Then I began to > really get the song. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:03:23 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar Hi Mark. My brother despises Apple and all of their products. Mainly because of their corporate practices and marketing strategies. I was a victim of those marketing strategies and now I wouldn't use anything else. I don't have an iPod yet because I've been waiting for the 3G iPhone. I'm not sure if this was true in other countries or still true here for that matter but Apple's biggest strategy was to do deals with schools and universities to get first time computer users used to the Macintosh platform and get them hooked. Of course, all my papers and lab reports were typed on ClarisWorks. I could always switch to Windows (Windoze) but I despise Microsoft even more. Apple was always an "underdog" to me and that was good enough reason to prop them up. Of course, now I'm into graphic design, I know I made the right choice. When Apple's products work, they are unbeatable. They are all so sexy looking too. I a a very visual person. That brings me to my graphic design style. Without having thought about it, consciously, I realise that my style tends to be on the stark side. I like solid colours. As I'm writing this, I look around my house and realise that my house is the same. I don't have anything with patterns on. All of my furniture (apart from the woodgrain) are in solid colours. In my living room, I have deep maroon curtains, two plain blue couches, even the rug is a plain green. I like continuity too. A theme. The photos I choose for my Joni covers (DVD and CD) must be connected to the content somehow. The same goes for my wallpapers. All the elements in my wallpapers have something to do with the song they are based on. Take a look at my wallpaper for Shades of Scarlet Conquering. The photograph itself will often set the general style of the design. I actually like that photo of Joni on the Opera House CD. I think it looks sophisticated and I like the colours. Also, that photo was taken in 1983 - the year of that performance. The colours are very 1980s to me. They often throw different coloured lights on the Sydney Opera House for special events (Olympic Games, etc) and this photo suited perfectly. As a matter of interest, the photographs on the Carnegie Hall CD cover are actually all from that concert. If I don't have photos from the actual performance, I will try to get as close as possible and use photos from the same time period. That's my obsession with continuity. I fantasise that I am designing these for an official release and try to make it look like a retail release. I get inspired by the information that I learn from this list about Joni's songs too. Since I learned that, I Had a King was written about Joni's ex husband, Chuck, I got excited that I actually had a wedding photo of the two of them and based my wallpaper around that. I Had a King is, to me, Joni taking mental notes on how to not make the same mistakes as in the past - "Beware of the power of moons" so, I tried to make it look like she had handwritten that line on her wedding photo as reminder to herself. I will be uploading more in the near future and you can be assured that the cover art will be completely relevant to the recording. Thanks to Bob M and everyone else who has sent me these recordings over the years. Now you know what I'm doing with them. Mark in Sydney (on a 30: day - a taste of things to come) NP Lazy Moon - Groove Armada Now I have to go and vote in the local elections. On 13/09/2008, at 12:16 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > Mark, yes it sounds overall like a "neat" - how that dates me - > thing. I'm sure I'll click on "Update" getting tired of clicking > "Ignore" one of these days. Interesting how Apple has taken the > "Genius" moniker from it's Apple Stores and is using in it's > applications. Somehow I don't think it will create the craze that > the "i" in front of *everything* did ..."iMac, iTunes, iPod, > etc...). As far as the privacy, again I suppose at some point you > just realize that the government/corporate complex already has > boatloads of information regarding everyone thanks to the digital > age, and you eventually just acquiesce. If the MICC - military- > industrial-congressional complex - yes I have been reading too much > I suppose on the intertubes - considers you "subversive" > somehow...for instance even the word "biosphere" is slightly > subversive as it speaks to a concern greater than and beyond > nationalism (tks Dorion Sagan), as are most certainly artists that > have any real substance to their work (and the admirers thereof > subscribing to mailing lists like this). So in short, I'm not > exactly worried at this point what lists I am on to a large degree, > with all sorts of proponents of free speech (Naomi Wolf, etc...) > already on the ever-growing 'No-Fly List" as well as others. > > The visualizer sounds pretty cool. I already downloaded Firefox 3, > I don't see as of yet much difference, however, the "platinum" > style native interface was a real shocker!! So much so, I've had to > download a skin that looks more like the old one as I just can't > quite get used to the new interface - even if it now resembles the > interfaces of other Apple applications. I'll come around eventually > I'm sure. BTW I'm just getting around to playing the Joni > performances at the Sydney Opera House - thanks they are > fantastic!! Also I had no idea you did the graphic designs for the > covers of the DVD's until yesterday, they are truly wonderful!! > "And here I sit the critic"...I've only viewed four images so far > via Preview, I like them all, only...well...the one photo of Joni > where she is kind of frowning and looking quite the sophisticate > with the "cigarillito" in hand, well, I think that maybe one of the > worst photos of her ever...I mean this is a woman who cannot help > but look beautiful in every single photograph, but this one ... is > different...maybe that's why you picked it...perhaps it will grow > on me as does all of her music. Sometimes - in addition to the > music of course - I think FTR is some people's favorite as that > picture of her in shades of green in the seclusion of the woods in > Canada, is IMHO one of her very best photos for some reason. She > simply radiates beauty in that peaceful, natural surrounding, as if > that is where she finds G-d, which I believe is pretty close to the > mark - open for criticism here - but her references through the > years, and especially lately with "spirit of the water" which is > what life is - animated water essentially - also being nature or by > extension reality - I think that may come close to Joni's G-d. It > is my definition now - oh and I know I'm opening myself up to all > kinds of private emails with quotes from Mohamed and the Koran, > etc... - but who cares?? To each his (or her) (or it's) own. The > other image that stands out of course is that from Hejira - which I > suppose the one you've used comes close to approximating in a way - > with the cigarette and a kind of sophisticated look as well...but > the way the cigarette bends her lips downwards to the left...ok I > guess I'm getting obsessed with details...I guess I want to say a > good choice now as it is quite a provocative image of Joni if not > her most flattering...and that is what art is about huh?? > > Terra, I always enjoy reading your posts. I agree with so much of > what you have to say. I also don't have nor do I want an iPod...I > actually got one free (well it was supposed to be free, Apple was a > bit deceptive in it's advertising) with this first version of the > 17" iMac "Core Duo"....WHOA what a name!!). Actually the iMac boots > so fast (in under 30 seconds) and is so ....um .... awesome??....in > the over two years that I've had it I have absolutely no desire for > another computer for a change. I even prefer the original white > plastic enclosure to the aluminum they're using now (though the 100 > percent recyclable thingy is admirable). Anyhow I gave it to my > Mom, who walks all over the place with it listening to ABBA of all > bands. The thing I don't like about the iPod and many other "must > have" devices, is that apparently there is a unique metal in it, I > forget what it is, Indium??, and essentially only comes from one > place in Africa where it is mined. Also the batteries are not user- > replaceable, so one must return the iPod to get an expensive > battery replacement, and I believe most are simply tossed in favor > of "newer, improved, better" ones. Whatever this metal is, and the > exploitation of one or two African nations, is talked about in The > Story of Stuff, which blows your mind when it is revealed I believe > that 99 percent of what we buy is thrown away in the first 6 months. > > Also I tend to exhibit the old-fashioned way of doing things as you > do, I think that is fairly normal, never using the shuffle/random > feature either. I also think that it is a bit bewildering, the > technology and the uber abundance of data and choices and micro > niche markets. Of course, futurist Alvin Toffler wrote about this > in the 70's in his book, Future Shock, and the human psyche can > only keep up with so change, the rate of which has been > accelerating because of (formerly) cheap fossil fuels. As Energy > Wars break out over the planet, with the realization finally taking > place by the public that peak conventional oil production peaked in > May of 2005 (which corresponds not so coincidentally with the > beginning of the bursting of the housing bubble) I think a return > to simpler ways will be de rigour. Of course, the USA when backed > in a corner, as it is now as the largest debtor nation on Earth, > will continue with it's "might is right" mindset and who knows what > will be the consequence? This will happen under either McCain or > Obama, as neither could reach their present positions of power > without being staunch supporters of American Hegemony. Of course, > I'd prefer it be Obama, as all of these visuals of gun-totin' > Frances McDormand Fargo-accented Beauty Queen wrapped up in an > American Flag Sarah Palin and her lack of respect or regard for the > dignity of other creatures that share her very same DNA (does she > even know what that is??) is beyond appalling to me. Also Frances > McDormand of Fargo fame was a respectable, genuine, intelligent, > insightful woman. Mrs. Palin is none of those. > > OK I've just probably earned my way onto sundry lists kept by the > government/corporate complex now. I'll probably regret it. But the > laws she passed in Canada regarding the incentives of shooting of > wildlife by air and otherwise, as well as her pictures with all of > her hunting "trophies" seemingly omnipresent on the Internet, make > me angry enough to (*drum roll* with expectations of CIA knocking > at the door)...well...say that she is not a very nice woman!!! > > Peace > -- > -Mark in Florida > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:18 AM, T Peckham > wrote in part: > Interesting discussion. I don't have an iPod (and have no need or > desire for one), so I had no idea of all the features, old or new. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:22:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: speaking of sharon & harvest moons some jc Last month I learned 3 new songs for gigs. Harvest Moon for the Neil Young Tribute. Heavenly Day (just the guitar part requested by a friend for his son's wedding- the bride's friend was asked to sing it- she is a professional singer (musical plays). I said yes before I knew what the song was & was elated to learn they wanted this song by my favorite recently current artist, Patty Griffn, for the bride's walk down the aisle. And the bass part of Pacabel's Canon (to accompany the violin & cello) for the same wedding ceremony. I'd just seen that Pacabel rant on youtube so it was pretty funny to learn that part- 8 notes 53 times! For the wedding, it really was a heavenly day & the location was outside on one of the most beautiful ranches I've ever experienced which says a lot because they are everywhere here. The celebration went on into the night & I realized I was having my very own Harvest Moon experience (just one month early) which was pretty cool as I was playing that song the next week. But there is more. The singer, who I had never met- she'd flown in for the wedding from Toronto) came over the night before the wedding so we could run through the song. She was a sweetheart of a person with a beautiful voice & we sang & talked about lots of musical things. Turns out she & the bride grew up in Sask & her (my singer's) mom was in an Irish band at the same time Joni was starting out & they played the same gigs if not the same stage occasionally. And even more. After playing that song for the wedding, two weeks later PG came to town for a concert which of course I attended. But the bummer was she didn't play heavenly day even thought the audience begged her to. What a heavenly harvesty august. Kate (watching the hurricane news since I have family who evacuated Galveston yesterday & are safely now in Florida) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #170 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe