From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #167 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 167 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: The FTR-Fag connection [Jerry Notaro ] You Turn me on I'm a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell [Jerry Notaro ] Re: ladies man [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The non-existent FTR-gay connection (there is no such thing as gay music) [Michael Flaherty ] Re: The non-existent FTR-gay connection (there is no such thing as gay music) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: From Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Southern California Jonifest 09? ["Donna Binkley" ] Southern California Jonifest 09? ["Kate Bennett" ] Jonifest 09 [missblux@googlemail.com] FTR-gay connection [missblux@googlemail.com] Joni Covers Volume 104 - "10-4 Good Buddy!" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Covers Volume 104 - "10-4 Good Buddy!" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Kay @ Gizzi's Wed 9/10 @ 8pm (sjc) ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Kay @ Gizzi's Wed 9/10 @ 8pm (sjc) [Michael Paz ] banned books [s.r.shanahan@att.net] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #166 [StDoherty@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:58 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Hi Mark, just to say thanks for the post about FTR and C&S which I really enjoyed reading. These are among the albums I don't really know but I will thikn about what you said when I get them. It's about time to get some new Joni albums anyway. I'm always a bit worried they won't live up to the standards of Hejira....! Best Bene NP on my office computer loudspeakers, brand new danish songs from my friend's newly released album, am very proud to know her... http://www.trinelise.dk/vaering ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:56:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The FTR-Fag connection > Thought-provoking discussion.. And a WOMDERFUL post. The kind you only find here, folks. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:01:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: You Turn me on I'm a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell I am in contact with the producer, so if anyone would like to perform at this, contact me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:13:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The non-existent FTR-gay connection (there is no such thing as gay music) > I don't think that gays own any corner on suffering, difficulties with life, > and emotions. And neither do Blacks in the States, but that doesn't mean their cultural experiences can't, or didn't, give rise to "Black" music styles. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:21:16 -0400 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: ladies man Chaka's version of that oft overlooked Joni classic is fantastic! She reinvents the groove and embellishes the harmony with a really cool treatment of the out chorus. A true innovator who continues to deliver on her Grammy-winning Funk This record which also features a great duet with Michael McDonald. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:33:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: ladies man Besides her excellent work on "Ladies Man", I love what she does with Prince's "Sign O' The Times" - chilling. "Funk This" is truly an excellent album. Bob NP: XTC, "Paper and Iron (Notes & Coins)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: The non-existent FTR-gay connection (there is no such thing as gay music) >>Joni's FTR, the album, is a relentless and brilliant expression of an avidly heterosexual woman for a man/men that have done her wrong - another great theme of music, which just about covers the remainder of what I did not name above. There is not gay thing about it. While I would never tell anyone that their experience of a Joni song is wrong, it is THEIR experience and not a universal truth about the song. What Vince wrote above seems, to me, to be indisputable. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:52:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: ladies man And one of the few covers that surpasses the original version in my book. Jerry > Chaka's version of that oft overlooked Joni classic is fantastic! > She reinvents the groove and embellishes the harmony with a really cool > treatment of the out chorus. > A true innovator who continues to deliver on her Grammy-winning Funk This > record which also features a great duet with Michael McDonald. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:27:51 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The non-existent FTR-gay connection (there is no such thing as gay music) I like that Vince. A beautifully argued case you make. thanks, Dave On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > FTR is not gay. No music is gay. Music has no gender. It is > brilliantly > universal. That it speaks to all is the power of the music, not > because > some people decide that their experience trumps the experience of > the whole > rest of the world. "People try to put is down" is really about the > summertime blues that we all feel, it is not a gay anthem, although > it might > be a brilliant overdub in a movie about Stonewall. Music has > neither cock > nor vagina, it has both, it has none, it has no gender, it does > have sex > but that is universally human, it has no orientation other than > human, it > has what we need it to have at where ever we are on life's journey > and what > we need to get by. > > By the way, God has neither cock or balls nor gender either. And > people > confuse the hell out of that too. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:06:15 -0400 From: Subject: Southern California Jonifest From: Dave Blackburn <<< If this sounds like something you would attend next summer please email me offlist and I'll start putting an initial list together. >>> Count on Steve and Michele driving down from Orange County. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo 'I've looked at life from both sides now It's life's illusions I recall I really really know all life' 'Varnished weeds in window jars roses dipped in sealing wax'... 'The ghostly gardens grow' "To keep away cold till the sidewalks are dry-" 'Till the sidewalks are dry-' I never liked puzzles...even cross word's...but especially those other ones...the mystery kind. No what I mean????? XOXO, From Bo Paz, ru ok? Thinking of you Marion, Mark from Florida, Terra, Laura, Jeannie, our Patti, Rian...my oh my Les, Bob, my oh my...and the list goes on and the list goes on.... I think being a proofreader is a terrific vocation!!! XXXs' & OOOs' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:56:53 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Southern California Jonifest 09? I'd be interested in a SoCal Jonifest as well. db >>> Bob Muller 9/8/2008 5:31 PM >>> Is there a limit as to how many Jonifests one can attend in a given year. I think not - I would be in for this one. Bob NP: The Reivers, "Walking The Cow" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:57:22 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: From Bo Hi Bo Yea we bad here. Been spending some down time on Facebook to try and share some pics I have been meaning to put up forever. I have found so many old friends on this service. I wish I would have gotten on it before. Looks like Ike will be headed to Texas/Mexico area. Sorry for those folks but we have had our share this year. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Peep Richman wrote: 'I've looked at life from both sides now It's life's illusions I recall I really really know all life' 'Varnished weeds in window jars roses dipped in sealing wax'... 'The ghostly gardens grow' "To keep away cold till the sidewalks are dry-" 'Till the sidewalks are dry-' I never liked puzzles...even cross word's...but especially those other ones...the mystery kind. No what I mean????? XOXO, From Bo Paz, ru ok? Thinking of you Marion, Mark from Florida, Terra, Laura, Jeannie, our Patti, Rian...my oh my Les, Bob, my oh my...and the list goes on and the list goes on.... I think being a proofreader is a terrific vocation!!! XXXs' & OOOs' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:12:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Southern California Jonifest 09? Dave, count me in depending on the date. I look forward to meeting you & Robin at some point in the near future & also some of the other west coasters I haven't yet met. Having a formal west coast gathering is long overdue so thank you so much for taking this idea on! I wonder if a month that is not in summer would be possible, mostly because of those coming from other colder climates might really enjoy California during the off season (accommodations are usually cheaper too). Best weather (or rather predictably so- it can be lovely in February too but it is hard to predict-) around these parts are September & October IMO. It may be a bit different where you are. Kate in SoCal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:44:15 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Jonifest 09 Hey Dave, I'd love to attend a Jonifest organized by you, and next summer is good for me, plus California is great.... The only trouble is that Mags has offered to organize one in Canada next summer as well, so I'd have to choose between the two since I can't fly to America twice the same summer. I feel pretty sure I'll attend one of them... Love from Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:08:24 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: FTR-gay connection Hey Chris & Vince, thanks for some really interesting posts, they are of the sort that I'd like to respond to but having just spent the most of an hour reading them and thinking about them I'll have to leave it at that. We've had this discussion before and people have written interesting posts but this time I'm learning more I think. So thanks for that! Love, Bene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:45:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni Covers Volume 104 - "10-4 Good Buddy!" Sorry again for the delay in getting my write-up out here, but I have had the tunes up and I'm happy to see that many of you have snagged them. In case you haven't and want to, the link to download this month's NEW release is at: http://tinyurl.com/5nvgd6 And a hearty thanks to Jerry for his assistance with this one. Like all of its predecessors, Volume 104 in the never-ending series of Joni Cover Compilations is a cornucopia of times, styles and languages. It is surely a testament to the strength of Joni's songs that they span the globe and the decades and the genres. All that being said, here's what's on Volume 104: 1. Chaka Khan - Ladies Man: This strong opener was much bally-hooed, and the album came out the same day as Shine. I'm in agreement with Jerry - I like Chaka's version better than Joni's, a nice funk groove added that suits the song and Chaka Khan-Chaka Khan's style very well. 2. Brian Sklar - Big Yellow Taxi: This is likely the MOST countrified Joni cover, I mean, this is hard-core two-step time. And the transformation is pretty good; twangy guitars, fiddles, and all the other Nashville devices get employed...to change the gender, he rhymes "screen door slammin'" with "woman" which is a novel. 3. Paradox - Both Sides Now 4. Paradox - Both Sides Now (Chinese Remix): Paradox was formed by 2 Hong Kong girls (Erica Li & Yvonne Lau) in 1985. This track dates to 1988, it's 80's easy-listening cheesy. They recorded both an English & Chinese/Cantonese language version, and here they are. 5. Mastaman - This Flight Tonight: It's certainly no surprise to me when a metal band takes this one on; after all, Nazareth has more fame with it than Joni! But to hear it done as a Euro-techno track is bizarre, and Mastaman gets bonus points for creativity. Can't tell you much about the artist in this case, but I can tell you this comes from his 1995 album called "70's Styla". 6. Mindy Gledhill - Both Sides Now: Mindy sounds very Sarah McLachlan-ish, and this arrangement showcases her airy voice quite well. Another recent recording (2007). Mindy performs around the Utah area so if you're closeby check out a show! 7. Banshee In The Kitchen - Captain O'Kane/River: A unique California trio, playing hammered dulcimer, accordion and guitar and featuring some very unique arrangements, BitK turns in a heart-breakingly lovely interpretation of River, combining it with 8. Tara Hoffman - Twisted: Tara is a jazz singer in the DC metro area, but she's certainly no Sherelle! I found this Twisted take a bit on the ordinary side, it should be a song that a vocalist cuts loose with and has some fun and compared to most I've heard this one is pretty flat. 9. Paul Anka - Both Sides Now: Not jumping on the BSN bandwagon back in the late 60's/early 70's like most of his peers did, Paul recorded his franchise take last year on his album "Classic Songs - My Way" (as in "I did it my way" which is one of HIS franchises) and I have to say that he does a great job here. His voice remains strong and clear and expressive. 10. The Chief Whips - Big Yellow Taxi: I like the rocking guitars on this one, they give it a big T-Rex arena-rock sound, but the vocal leaves much to be desired. From their 2007 album. 11. Al Pillay - Both Sides Now: Al is a gay cabaret-singer-entertainer from the UK who has dabbled in all sorts of things; music, TV, films etc. His take on the franchise is a bit too campy and over-the-top for my taste. 12. The Big Jump Band - All I Want: This is a bit of an odd bird - it comes from a 1973 demonstration record. The arrangement is akin to the one used by The Supremes when they recorded it. Can't tell you anything else about this one. 13. Kathy Brier - River: Those of you who watch the soap operas will recognize Kathy Brier's name & voice. She's an Emmy-nominated star of "One Life To Live" and her singing has been featured in many episodes of the show. Her voice is clear and powerful and she does a wonderful job with River - this one comes from a benefit CD put out by several daytime stars. 14. University of Nebraska Varsity Glee Club - Both Sides Now: Probably from sometime in the early 70's, this is your basic chorus backed up by your basic pep band. You know it's going to be corn when it's being sung by a group of Cornhuskers! 15. Liz Longley - Circle Game: Liz has a lovely and confident voice for one as young as she is. She hails from Pennsylvania and is a singer-songwriter as well. She does a nice job with Circle Game. 16. Tommy Korberg - Both Sides Now: Tommy is a Swedish singer, actor and musician who has been on the scene for a while. His claim to fame is playing "The Russian" in the musical Chess. His 8-minute-plus version of the franchise is rightfully presented as a full-blown orchestral theatrical performance. 17. Anna I - Big Yellow Taxi: From Germany, Anna duets on BYT and the arrangement is similar to the one used by Keb' Mo. 18. Cor Musters - Both Sides Now: More goodies from Holland - Cor is a Dutch guitarist, and this acoustic take on BSN is not flashy or showy, but very fluid and melodic. 19. Orla Murphy - Be Cool: London-based jazz singer Orla Murphy turns in a smooth take and definitely keeps her cool on this one, reminds me a bit of Phoebe Snow. 20. The Boys - Both Sides Now: An obscure record from the early 70's - these guys were likely from the Columbus Ohio area as it's where the LP was recorded. Besides some pedal steel guitar, nothing much to remember this one by. And that's a wrap for Volume 104...20 songs, 20 hits! The link will be good for another week, so don't feel like you missed the boat - go dig it. Bob NP: REM, "Half A World Away" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:05:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers Volume 104 - "10-4 Good Buddy!" Oops, I forgot to finish my thought... About Banshee In The Kitchen's lovely cover of River: "BitK turns in a heart-breakingly lovely interpretation of River, combining it with" I meant to add "the Celtic composition by Turlough O'Carolan". Bob NP: The Pretenders, "Waste Not Want Not" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:00:53 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Kay @ Gizzi's Wed 9/10 @ 8pm (sjc) Hey NY-area JoniListas! There was a cancellation at Gizzi's tomorrow night and I'm gonna play there again. When I was there in late August, I was SO THRILLED to see that Cindy Vickery and her partner came all the way from ALABAMA to see me!!! I know you all think that Cindy moved to NJ, but she just says that to explain her embarrassingly frequent appearances in the NYC area. Anyway, I'd love to see some of you people. No cover charge (tip hat), a $3 food/drink charge, comfy chairs, good music (hopefully), etc. And now for the real draw -- I'm getting my roots done tonight! So come see me in all my bleached glory... Oh, and you can come to see my nails, too. They're fabulous. And of course there will be a Joni cover (or two), just because. Kay Ashley Wed 9/10/08 8:00 pm Gizzi's Coffee 16 West 8th Street NYC btw 5th Ave and MacDougal Take just about any train to West 4th Hope to see some of you! Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:51:34 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Kay @ Gizzi's Wed 9/10 @ 8pm (sjc) AND she is the freaking Honduran Fertility Goddess. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Kay Ashley wrote: Hey NY-area JoniListas! There was a cancellation at Gizzi's tomorrow night and I'm gonna play there again. When I was there in late August, I was SO THRILLED to see that Cindy Vickery and her partner came all the way from ALABAMA to see me!!! I know you all think that Cindy moved to NJ, but she just says that to explain her embarrassingly frequent appearances in the NYC area. Anyway, I'd love to see some of you people. No cover charge (tip hat), a $3 food/drink charge, comfy chairs, good music (hopefully), etc. And now for the real draw - -- I'm getting my roots done tonight! So come see me in all my bleached glory... Oh, and you can come to see my nails, too. They're fabulous. And of course there will be a Joni cover (or two), just because. Kay Ashley Wed 9/10/08 8:00 pm Gizzi's Coffee 16 West 8th Street NYC btw 5th Ave and MacDougal Take just about any train to West 4th Hope to see some of you! Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:23:29 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Southern California Jonifest 09 Kate wrote : I wonder if a month that is not in summer would be possible, mostly because of those coming from other colder climates might really enjoy California during the off season (accommodations are usually cheaper too). Best weather (or rather predictably so- it can be lovely in February too but it is hard to predict-) around these parts are September & October IMO. It may be a bit different where you are. Splendid idea, how about easter ? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:10:55 +0000 From: s.r.shanahan@att.net Subject: banned books Just read the correction - She's still a facist and John McCain is sitting back and letting her do his dirty work. Steve in SF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:32:19 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #166 Music has no orientation other than human, it has what we need it to have at where ever we are on life's journey and what we need to get by. Perfect. Thanks Vince. Tim **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. 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