From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #165 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 8 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 165 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now ["Mari] Re: SJC VP candidate Palin ["T Peckham" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Michael Paz ] Kate's dragonfly and Joni's garden ["Anita Tedder" ] You Turn me on =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=92m_a_Radio:_a_Tribute_to_Joni_Mitchell?= ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends ["Kate Bennett" ] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFlvdSBUdXJuIG1lIG9uICAgSeKAmW0gYSBSYWRpbzogYSBUc mlidXRl?= =?utf-8?B?IHRvIEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGw=?= [] Palin:speech ["mack watson-bush" ] Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends [Patti Parlette ] Re: Good Friends Acoustic [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:23:33 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Fw: sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:29:45 Patti Parlette wrote: > Marian and Smurf: let's have a sandwich hug! I understand > what you are both expressing. I'd like that very much. I really love you Smurf - please let's have a hug! Smurf, are you there? I wanna hug you! > I wish I could interrupt everyone's sorrow, but I don't have that > power. I'm just chicken-scratchin' for peace, love and understanding. You do a pretty good job, Patti - you bring so much light and lightness into the list and have made me smile so many times. > Sleep in heavenly peace, my friends, all across the universe. > Tomorrow will be a new day, a new way, to carry on. > LOVE, Patti P., a little bit corny, a tired wildwood flower wavin' for ya Keep wavin' Patti - I love you! Marian > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then > there'd be peace." > -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:40:12 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: SJC VP candidate Palin Last word before I move forward. ;-) On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Terra wrote: > > Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of > how she stood up to corruptness in her state. > > --I'm not familiar with that. What are the specifics? > > > Hi Terra, > > I suggest you do what you suggested I do and go to her website to find > out the details if you are really interested. From the overall tone of your > post, I bet you aren't. I don't need to go to her website for details. I learned all I needed to know from watching her convention performance and reading facts about her record as mayor and governor from reputable sources such as others have posted here. I'm also a paying supporter of Defenders of Wildlife and The Wilderness Society, among others, and as such I've already received email action alerts featuring horror stories about what has happened to Alaskan wolves and polar bears on Palin's watch. > > > As for other topics in your post, I'm not interested in debating about > the process nor hearing criticism of political debates and the views of > Republicans vs. Democrats. So thanks, but no thanks. And I'm not interested in hearing VP candidate Palin called "cool and refreshing," as if she's running for head cheerleader. This is a life-changing election for a lot of Americans, not to mention the world. I won't apologize for speaking to that. > > What I do enjoy hearing is what people I love and admire find particularly > good about solutions the different candidates offer. There's enough > criticism of political parties and views of people who support or don't > support particular candidates out there without hearing it here too. Let's > move forward rather than get stuck in the crap. "People I love and admire. . ." If you're referring to the good folks here on the JMDL (who have been here much, much longer than I, obviously), I think the consensus among those who've posted on this subject is clear. I'd like to point out that I didn't start this topic--I've only contributed to it, and only in threads marked NJC. I marked this final comment SJC, because--again, as others here have stated--this is exactly what "Shine" is all about. Gov. Palin could be the poster child representing everything Ms. Mitchell has been warning us about since "Big Yellow Taxi", and I don't think airing that and other FACTS about her on this list or anywhere else is getting "stuck in crap." Personally, I'm stuck in reality, and one of my "good solutions" for rescuing my country from the clutches of the Republican Party is to shout the truth out loud and loudly. I just won't do it here anymore. Cheers, Terra - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:09:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks FYI. I got together with the lovely Julie Z Webb in Pittsburgh over coffee and caught up. She lost all of her extra weight and looked like a million bucks. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Hi, Marian. I hope you can stick around. It's been sad to lose bright, funny people like Julie Z. Webb. Everyone I can think of drops out for a while. It comes and goes. It comes and goes. It comes and... goes. Remember when you were on the phone, all the way from Austria, and I was on Ashara's back porch? I was speaking too loudly, as usual, offending everyone else, but I didn't want to break the chain. There's an old rock song that goes, "Hold on loosely, but don't let go." Jim L'Hommedieu > I think I really do need to leave. It's not just this situation, > but kind of a cumulative guilt that I don't really think is psychologically healthy for me to revisit every day.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:54:43 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Kate's dragonfly and Joni's garden I really loved your care for the injured dragonfly, Kate. Small acts of love like yours help me feel very happy. It reminded me of a piece sent to JMDL some years ago that I had really loved. It led me to a lovely off list exchange with Laura who sent me some beautiful pictures of hummingbirds. I sometimes keep emails from JMDL that have some special meaning for me, so I sought out the one about Joni's garden that I remembered was about dragonflies and hummingbirds. To my surprise, I realised then, it had been written by Michael who managed to meet Joni this week at the ballet and your two were responding to each other's experiences regarding 'Fiddle and the Drum'. Anyway, in 2006, Mike wrote: "In her garden you'll see old camelias, gardenias, jasmine, ferns, fig trees, and many different types of succulents. The blue-grays and sage greens of Saskatchewan gardens are still the colours toward which she gravitates. Jacarandas, crepe myrtles, silk trees and palms shade the residence. Joni likes plants that attract hummingbirds, dragonflies and butterflies. ``Any flying, floating thing is auspicious, a joy bearer a magical messenger,``she says." I have been told that Dragonflies, as medicine totem, are of the dreamtime. They bring us memories of a time or place where magic reigned! Meeting Joni was magical for me and I find it quite magical that I sought this piece out today as a consequence of your email, Kate, and found that it was Mike who had written it two years ago - and Mike met Joni this week. I like that for a piece of timing! Kate, I am so pleased that you have cared for this tiny creature. I don't imagine it will recover, but that your care for it has touched me very deeply, Lots of love Anita PS Whilst I am writing, I want to add how much I have appreciated so many on the list who have struggled with this cookbook business. It's been so painful (especially, it seems for Marian and Smurphy) but staying with it and staying connected when things get tough is a great thing. I feel proud of you guys and so proud to be a member here. Dragon fly carers, champions of under dogs, - what a great mixture! _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 714 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:46:15 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Our Queens' Gayest Songs Gang, Two Grey Rooms and My Old Man Love, Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: You Turn me on =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=92m_a_Radio:_a_Tribute_to_Joni_Mitchell?= Hello All, WMNF, our community owned, Joni lovin' radio station is sponsoring this tribute. The last time we had a minifest we all assembled here. Skipper's is a great place for this. Perfect with great food. Here arfe the details. Flee, the D.J., has asked if Joni people want to come up with any ideas to make it even better. Here are the details: You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight (Each bands start time to be determined later) WHAT: 14 area bands/performers do THEIR versions of Joni Mitchell songs WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa Tickets $12 advance/$15 door Doors at 6pm Music 7-Midnight 14 bands/solo performers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:33:44 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Hey, I think if you want to know what makes a song 'gay' look at what the article says about some of the songs. Apart from the outspoken queer artists, it's about human emotions that are shared by gay and straight (etc.) people alike - but are perhaps poignant to more gay people because of what they have to go through in terms of accepting themselves and being accepted etc.. This is also what others have suggested when we have had this discussion on previous occasions. Anyway here goes: "When ... Bowie wails "Oh no love! You're not alone!" over a sea of theatrical strings, you know he was singing for every exiled, dejected, sexually confused young kid who longed for a world of greater possibilities." "As the chiming guitars of Johnny Marr suggest both despair and its transcendence, singer Morrissey articulates alienated longings that gain extra poignancy if one understands them as queer." "the singer (Antony) meditates on the lonesome "middle place" between life and nothingness ("Hope There's Someone"); gender mutability ("For Today I Am a Boy"); sadomasochism ("Fistful of Love"); and, on the album's breathtaking climax, "Bird Gerhl," the sublime freedom of flying alone." "it's the spectral "Love Is a Stranger" and "This City Never Sleeps" that evoke the mood of foreboding and loneliness that came to dominate Lennox's solo career." "What I love about this album (Kate Bush) is essentially what I love about being gay. It's eccentric, wildly imaginative, and has a completely naive view of the world in which it exists." "(Soft Cell) Almond misses notes but, more important, nails the tenderness at the heart of the hedonism." Love Bene(!) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Monika, They were picked by GLBT people who felt they had affected them. Basically, music that gays listened to a lot and whose music affected them. I know out of the hundred I own many of them, and at least 15 were among my very favorites, FTR among them. Jerry Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Interesting list but it makes me wonder. What makes an album "gay?" > And if > these are the greatest, "gayest" albums what are the greatest, > "straightest" > albums? I also found this quote a bit funny and strange: > > 99.Joni Mitchell, For the Roses, 1972 > "An album to play alone in your bedroom when the phone doesn"t ring after > your > virginity is gone." -- Tom Kalin, director Savage Grace > > I don't think I'll ever listen to FTR the same again. I wonder why FTR > was > chosen? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:57:37 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Our Queens' Gayest Songs "The Only Joy In Town" The Botticelli black boy With the fuchias in his hair Is breathing in women like oxygen On the Spanish stairs In my youth I would have followed him All through this terra-cotta town He's the only joy around The only joy I found The only joy in town Just a subjective pick - could easily be her one of her most "heterosexual" songs as well too...definitely a "visual" song and I feel like I am in that Latin town - wherever it may be - whenever I listen to the song. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Russell Bowden wrote: > Gang, > > Two Grey Rooms and My Old Man > > Love, > Russ > Mischief Managed > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637 > !5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:57:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends I love this Tlog version of FTR, how beautiful to close the first act with this. Michael, thank you for the report & kudos for having the opportunity to meet Joni in person! She is beautiful, with such gentle hands isn't she? Kate (the other one from CA) >Part 1 closes with FTR, where a triad of couples waltzes through this romantic and lovely interpretation of the T-log version of the song.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:12:56 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Yikes!!! In Sanskrit 'Joni' means 'vagina' Rian PS. As if you don't know, sanskrit is classic indian language, spoken in pre colonial india and indonesia (in several kingdoms by noblemen/hindu priests). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:25:16 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Well-written post. I had thought the concepts of alienation, introspection about "what is wrong with me" due to social stigmatization, and an often unfulfilled desire to be accepted by others were likely reasons FTR was picked, but did not read the article so could not say that was a basis that was also used in some of the other 99 albums picked. "One of the reasons Miss Mitchell is able to produce works of merit so consistently is her willingness to explore and then honestly reveal - rather than soften, filter or glamorize - her emotions and experiences, both the joys and, more importantly, the sorrows. She is able to face her disappointments in love and deal with them in an instructive way in song." "Several of the 12 songs on the For the Roses album (among them "Lesson in Survival," "Woman of Heart and Mind" and "See You Sometime") deal with moments of defeat or insecurity in an open, honest way that few other major writers could duplicate. In "Lesson in Survival," for instance, she tells about the inadequacies a lover brought out in her: "Your friends protect you/ Scrutinize me/ I get so damn timid/ Not at all the spirit/ That's inside of me." Another revealing portion of a review: The life of Joni the woman (is) displayed so poignantly on "See You Sometime", "Electricity", "Blond in The Bleachers", "Woman of Heart And Mind", "Let The Wind Carry Me", and "Lesson in Survival" ..."if you ever get the notion to he needed by me". Insecurities, anxieties, and a need to be wanted, to belong are themes replete throughout the album. The human need for acceptance or what is called affiliation (the need to belong), of which self-acceptance is a part, as Bene says is especially difficult for gay people, as they often have to "earn" this acceptance, time after time, the most important and challenging of which is acceptance by their family, and there is often the subtle and outright discrimination due to the fact that they are not going to be able to produce a child that carries 25 percent of their grandparent's DNA - and the remaining siblings that do are usually doted on and treated in a different manner from my observations. "Philadelphia" is a beautiful movie, but the family that is so accepting of Tom Hank's character, is not the typical family into which a gay child is born. FTR was the culmination of her four previous works, each of them dealing heavily and honestly with interpersonal relationships, with her anxieties and insecurities dominating the songs that addressed these affairs of the heart. FTR was the most reflective of all of them, and as the reviewer states she sings of "both the joys and, more importantly, the sorrows" of these relationships. C&S revealed a Joni who was a bit wiser in matters of love, (notable exceptions being Help Me, Car on a Hill, and Same Situation - however even in each of these songs she hints at some wisdom acquired during the making of the first five albums - for example Help Me speaks to a pattern she has discovered in her quest for love, one which she would further examine on her Hejira in which she gladly became "a defector of the petty wars, that shell-shock love away, Car on a Hill reflects this cognizance of this same pattern with the lyrics "It always seems so righteous at the start, when there's so much laughter, when there's so much spark, when there's so much sweetness in the dark, and even the very angst-laden Same Situation, which again reflects her recognition of this pattern in the eponymous song title, she states "caught in my struggle for higher achievements, and my search for love, they don't seem to cease" - notice for one thing that "higher achievements" is mentioned *as well* as love, and not only that, but it is mentioned *before* her search for love - another indicator of "wising up" ). In the song Down To You she is speaking really as a mentor on matters of love, (likewise in Trouble Child on matters of not conforming to our psychosocial paradigm), and in People's Park, as much as she is drawn to her object of affection, she realizes that her pattern of falling in love now has more of her own needs and conditions that must be met "but I couldn't let go of LA, city of the fallen angels"...indicating she has formed boundaries and limits and can no longer simply be the giver/nurturer that caused her such angst in the past, that future relationships would be taken up either to discover something new about herself and others (no more of the Same Situation pattern), or would be more on equal footing (Larry Klein and Donald Freed for instance). OK this was not supposed to be about C&S but is relevant in showing why FTR was the album most likely chosen as it deals honestly with her insecurities and attendant anxieties of relationships in a manner that is less naive than the first four albums, but with a vulnerability and a sensitivity in a disarmingly honest way perhaps than any other work. And gay folk, who often have great insecurities and/or anxieties in society, often finding themselves feeling alienated, as well as having these insecurities in relationships which often have considerable social pressure put on them. The stigma that pervades our society, less than in many other countries, however, is still palpable, and often finds itself expressed in the high prevalence of refuge sought from this constant psychological stress by the very high rates of alcohol use and substance abuse in the gay culture. - -- - -Mark in Florida NP: Aimee Mann: Phoenix On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:33 PM, wrote in part: > Hey, > > I think if you want to know what makes a song 'gay' look at what the > article says about some of the songs. Apart from the outspoken queer > artists, it's about human emotions that are shared by gay and straight > (etc.) people alike - but are perhaps poignant to more gay people > because of what they have to go through in terms of accepting > themselves and being accepted etc.. This is also what others have > suggested when we have had this discussion on previous occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFlvdSBUdXJuIG1lIG9uICAgSeKAmW0gYSBSYWRpbzogYSBUc mlidXRl?= =?utf-8?B?IHRvIEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGw=?= B This is a cool venue and promises to be a fun night. I can get some cheap airfare via Allegiant. Who's in? Em, Jimmy? It's minifest time y'all. B Bob B NP: Joni, "BYT" live at the Troubadour 1972 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:02:40 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Palin:speech I must have missed something. I didn't find anything about her speech particularly riveting, inspiring, interesting, captivating, etc. The hockey mom comment was moderately cute if one were a standup comic. Pathetic how low the bar has become for such, speeches, if this was deemed good. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:38:57 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends Michael from (Laurentide) Mountains! You saw the (blue) eyes of our Joni world? Wowie zowie! And you touched her impossibly gentle hand? ELECTRICITY! Felicitations, Joniami! Et merci beaucoup for the great report. You're my vicarious thrill, you do something to me. You send chills right through me! NPIMH, for Joni (GD TIC....yeah, I get those, too): Sometimes we live no particular way but our own Sometimes we visit your country and live in your home Sometimes we ride on your horses Sometimes we walk alone Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world but the heart has its beaches its homeland and thoughts of its own Wake now, discover that you are the song that the (Chelsea!) morning brings but the heart has its seasons its evenings and songs of its own And most of them come down to you. Good on you, too, Kate. And Mags, dear prairie girl, I'm so sorry that good fortune did not allow you to attend. Sometimes life is not fair. You deserved to have been there. I've been wondering what Joni is doing these days. It's good to know that she is alive, alive. Love, Patti P., who spent part of the day doing the Sunday crossword puzzle, oft breaking into Joni song with the words "reef", "snow", "the" (LOL!), and you know there may be more. P.S. Kate, I come out to wonder: how is the dragonfly? "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:04:31 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: GOod Friends Acoustic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube who has posted some true Joni rarities. This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd never heard. The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff on there, too. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:04:02 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic Hi Ken, This is from the "Complete Geffen Recordings" box set. Definitely one of my favorites! "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" is also on the Geffen box set. Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit kjhsf@aol.com wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related >Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube who has posted some true Joni rarities. >This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd never heard. >The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff on there, too. >Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic This is a first time listen for me and I love Joni's voice on this version and it feels like home to me, here in my heart. This is my secret place and favorite place to be and I feel a certain type of mystical synchronicity when I hear Joni play her piano and sing like this. It's sounds so pretty and familiar to me that it brings tears to my eyes and I'm so grateful. I need to get the Geffen box set which I didn't even know existed. Many thanks, Ken and Gary for the link and for this new discovery. Just what I needed. Jeannie - --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Gary Z wrote: > From: Gary Z > Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic > To: kjhsf@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:04 PM > Hi Ken, > > This is from the "Complete Geffen Recordings" box > set. Definitely one > of my favorites! > "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" is also on the > Geffen box set. > > Best regards, > > Gary Z. > Detroit > > > > kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related > >Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube > who has posted some true Joni rarities. > >This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is > the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd > never heard. > >The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff > on there, too. > >Ken ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #165 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe