From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #162 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 6 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 162 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: PS22 Sings Circle Game [Jeannie ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Jerry Notaro ] RE: PS22 Sings Circle Game [Laura Stanley ] 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums [Jeannie ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Smurf ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Smurf ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Michael Paz ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin [Patti Parlette ] Re: sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin ["gene" ] leaving the list [Mags ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Mark Scott" ] Re: leaving the list [Vince ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Vince ] sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now [Patti Par] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Mark Scott" ] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:51:55 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Fw: JM Cookbooks Okay, below is what I replied. I hope that someone out there will buy the second book that Mary has to offer. I hope that this issue can be peacefully resolved. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian Russell To: Mary Hanrahan Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:48 AM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Hello Mary - I feel like your messages to me are becoming borderline abusive. I have tried to be clear and helpful and considerate. I don't know what other people have said to you. I don't understand what you mean by the "gangbangers approach". I did not ask anyone to write to you and harrass you. Perhaps you are correct in your position vis a vis ebay, or perhaps not. I really don't know, because I am not a lawyer and I really don't care at this point. I really don't want to speak with you anymore about what may or may not be true, so please do not write to me anymore about what you think your legal position is. As I wrote in my last email, if you don't get any offers in the next two weeks, let me know and I will contact the two other people that I thought might have been interested, and if they are not interested, let me know and I will buy the book, as I offered before. Sincerely, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: PS22 Sings Circle Game I love when they let the choir kids do their thing with certain Joni songs. The school children that do get to learn to sing and wonder and wander in songs like, 'The Circle Game,' 'Clouds (Both Sides Now),' and 'Big Yellow Taxi,' and other Joni songs, always come out enlightened kids with the song etched onto their souls.Seriously! To witness a group of children achieve this, from the first time you play the song for them, knowing you want them to give it their all, up to the day of their performance, you can see and feel an ongoing group transformation within each child, which is so sweet and absolutely awesome and I love it. The other night my son couldn't sleep, so he called me around 2:30 am to ask if he could visit with me if I was still awake and I told him, "Come, right on over, Buddy Little Pal O' Mine---I'm on night watch with Buffy (my mom's beloved toy poodle) first and ONLY litter getting ready to come out to wander and I have to be here for her." When he got here, he was emotional, having fully acknowledged his addictions and dealing with the raw reality of sobriety without being able to make idiotic rationalizations for the whole damn scene and mustering up all the courage it takes to acknowledge past mistakes in order to achieve sobriety and a sense of peace without guilt, pharmaceutical chemicals and alcohol fumes suffocating your every breath. Well, when he got here, we ended up starting the conversation about the times when he was just a baby and growing up, just him and me. The television station was on PBS and just on in the background. Yet, on several occasions, I had to stop that heavy pouring out of his soul he was expressing to me when this Catholic chick I had previously seen on Mother Angelica's station play her Irish Violin and she's fantastic and she was promoting her latest release through one of those pledge-drive shows for PBS which is just alright by me. At first, the interruptions upset him, as if I was not listening to him pour it all out for me to try to understand. It wasn't that---it's just that I love Irish music and the Celtic touches hush both him and I up. Again, conversation continued, until this pretty young Irish girl with a beautiful voice was introduced, came on stage and began to sing, 'Both Sides Now' so beautifully. He was so silent. Then, I looked over his way and he had these two GIGANTIC tears welling up in his eyes and they just exploded and he began to cry. I didn't know what to say. I asked, "Why are you crying like this?" He said,,, "Nen, Joni Mitchell, you, me. That's what I know. C'mon now, Nen, get real!" I could only say how pretty the girl was. He agreed only to say, "Not as beautiful as Joni Mitchell or his mother. She can never sing to me with the same emotion like when I was a baby. Just you and Joni can do that and I love your voice when it's just Norma Jean's and for me, no other than Joni does it for me, Nen." My heart was opened wider. I asked him, "Can Jeff Buckley compare?" He said, "Somewhat," then got upset how stupidly Jeff Buckley lost his life. It hit from all sides by then. Thanks, Joni, from this fan who lives in a lovely box of paints you helped create. Thanks to all here at the JMDL... A special hello to Bo!!! Sincerely, Jeannie - --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Bob Muller wrote: > > The audio & video quality of this is not the greatest, > but it made my heart feel good and brought the water to my > eyes: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5DejZNwQ > > Always nice to be reminded of the goodness in the world. > > Bob > > NP: Foo Fighters, "Aurora" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:40:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks The time is now to end the conversation with her, Marian. She is ignorant of the law and no amount of civility has helped. She plays the "I'm just a Mom trying to raise two kids" card and then tries to tell us copyright law. Yeah, right. Jerry > I am so tired of hearing from this person! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Hanrahan > To: Marian Russell > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks > > > Hi Marion, > I remember your conversation with the librarian. I agree that I may have had > no rights as far as copying the book, even though it is not copyrighted. I > never had any thought or intention of making copies of it, never. I've sold > many books on Ebay and probably every one has had a copyright, so copyright > laws aren't even an issue here. Once I own a book, I can sell it. > Your book was made with permission and given away as a gift. You basically > gave it away, so that, those copies were no longer yours. You may have rights > to the contents as with any book, but the book itself was no longer yours. > How from there 2 copies came to be in a second hand shop, I don't know, but > obviously someone gave it away, died, or whatever. > Ebay really has no restrictions on books as you can read on their policy as > far as what can be sold. If someone was selling illegally made books I > imagine that would be quite another thing. > Your complaint may have caused me a hassle, but I can't imagine that anything > would stick from it. With my good Ebay reputation, they would hardly have > banned me, just don't believe there would be any grounds. > True members of JMDL were upset about the listing, but that doesn't mean there > was a thing wrong with me listing it. I think members should have bid on it > if it was such an issue. > Anyway, I realize I did choose to take it off, and it's done now. I just > needed to say that I think the overall 'gangbusters' approach was hardly > called for. I think I could have been approached in a different way. > I may write to Ebay myself to see what they say. > Dr Laura had offered to buy the book if I would take it off, but she didn't > mention it after I did, so not sure what happened there. > Anyway, I'll wait and see who I hear from. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marian Russell > To: Mary Hanrahan > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks > > > Hi Mary - > > I forwarded your message below to the list, so hopefully someone interested > will contact you. If you don't hear from anyone in the next few days, let me > know and I will make an effort to contact a couple of people who seemed > interested. > > That you removed this book from ebay is appreciated by a number of the > contributors who were upset about its appearance there. If you had not > removed it, I would, as I said before, have filed a formal complaint with ebay > against you on their behalf. Sometimes I can see their point and sometimes I > can't, and I certainly am not a lawyer, so I don't know with absolute > certainty the legalities, however I did respect the opinion of one of the > members who is a librarian and who is very knowledgeable about copyright law > and who adamantly stated that no one had the right to sell the book in ebay. > As the compiler, I felt an obligation to those in the JMDL who were upset > about the book being sold in ebay, but I thought it would be at least polite > to contact you personally before filing a formal complaint against you to see > if you would be willing to remove the book voluntarily. I didn't have to do > this - I could have just filed the complaint - and not having filed a formal > complaint, we cannot know what the consequences to either of us might have > been. Maybe ebay would have seen your point of view, but maybe they would > have seen the point of view of the upset JMDL members and the librarian. If > the latter, one possible consequence might have been that you could have lost > your rights to sell in ebay. I think we should both feel grateful that the > matter could be resolved without having to resort to a formal complaint. > > Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: PS22 Sings Circle Game Bob wrote: The audio & video quality of this is not the greatest, but it made my heart feel good and brought the water to my eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5DejZNwQ Always nice to be reminded of the goodness in the world. Hi Bob, BEAUTIFUL!!! I appreciate you! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess smoe rejected it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made the list, here is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time made it! Jerry http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Number 99, For the Roses. Jeannie wrote: > I can't find Joni's name on the list, Jerry. > > Truly, > Jeannie > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> From: Jerry Notaro >> Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums >> To: "jon i" >> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:44 AM >> Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess >> smoe rejected >> it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made >> the list, here >> is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time >> made it! >> >> Jerry >> >> http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums I can't find Joni's name on the list, Jerry. Truly, Jeannie - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums > To: "jon i" > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:44 AM > Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess > smoe rejected > it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made > the list, here > is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time > made it! > > Jerry > > http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Aren't there some more creative ways we can find to further vilify and demonize this person? I don't think posting her PERSONAL email to the list is enough, Marion, do you? Maybe we could get her home address and phone number so we could continue to give her grief. Maybe burn a cross on her front lawn . . . Seriously, Marion and others, what do you want? This woman graciously removed the item from eBay after being told she could expect to be paid for it and she has received NOTHING for her consideration but paranoid rants and a sneaky violation of trust (posting a personal email for all the world to see) which is far worse than the original 'crime' of offering the JMDL cookbook for purchase, in my opinion. I have been a member of the JMDL since Bill Clinton was in office and I can truthfully say that I have never been ashamed of that association until now. There are many, many more important things in my life to worry about than some imagined bogeyman seeing a Joni Mitchell cookbook, for Christ's sake. But now that I see this poor woman being raked over the coals without even knowing that her personal email is being posted to 800+ people she doesn't know, I feel like someone has to come to her defense. Marion, if this issue is so important to you that you have wasted who-knows-how-many hours worrying about it and consulting people and corresponding with this person, why don't you get out your damned checkbook and buy it instead of putting it on this list over and over and over again, drawing others who don't give a fig into having to read about your crusade? The way I see it, you want to control what this woman does with the cookbook, but not to the point of paying for it . . . thus making it a non-issue. That doesn't sound too healthy to me. LET IT GO. I did not create this problem and did my best to stay out of it, but I cannot stand by and watch someone who has acted in good faith be treated so poorly by the JMDL gang. Really! How many eBay sellers do you think would have so kindly removed this book from their listings? So now I am willing to donate $5 towards the purchase of this damn thing just to get it out of my JMDL mail. Anyone want to join me? - ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:38:56 AM Subject: Fw: JM Cookbooks I am so tired of hearing from this person! Thank you, - --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:17:37 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for forwarding the emails to the list. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:23 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I'm game. mack > > So now I am willing to donate $5 towards the > purchase of this damn thing just to get it out of my JMDL mail. Anyone > want to > join me? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:43:50 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:53:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Oh this is so beautiful Bob, thank you! Got me tearful. How about you Ms Patti P? Such lovely voices & harmonies & the oh look on their faces - so soulful.... here's another version - a close-up of their beautiful faces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxs5kdG2jFA&feature=related Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Dear Marian, I am sorry that what I wrote has apparently caused you to decide to quit the list. I have a knee-jerk tendancy to speak for the underdog that always seems to backfire on me because I do not handle conflict well. In any case, I thought the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of JMDLers very graciously, and deserved to be treated more considerately. Best wishes, whatever you decide to do. But I don't think it's necessary to leave the list over something you felt strongly about. - --Bob Murphy - ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: Smurf ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:43:50 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:04:55 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I also think that the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of the JMDLers very graciously and I should have not reacted so badly to have to discuss the legal aspects with her again - I thought it had all been sorted out and that we didn't need to discuss that part anymore. She wrote back later and said she didn't mean to cause a bad reaction, and that she has written to eBay for clarification on the matter, to see if her views of the legality or not are correct. I supposed in her situation, I might consider doing the same. If no one wants to buy the book from her, I will buy it from her, but she's not keen on sending it all the way to Austria. I think I really do need to leave. It's not just this situation, but kind of a cumulative guilt that I don't really think is psychologically healthy for me to revisit every day. All the best, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: Smurf To: Marian Russell ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Dear Marian, I am sorry that what I wrote has apparently caused you to decide to quit the list. I have a knee-jerk tendancy to speak for the underdog that always seems to backfire on me because I do not handle conflict well. In any case, I thought the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of JMDLers very graciously, and deserved to be treated more considerately. Best wishes, whatever you decide to do. But I don't think it's necessary to leave the list over something you felt strongly about. --Bob Murphy ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: Smurf ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:43:50 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:13:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks No problem with me. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Marian Russell wrote: I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:36:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Marian, I don't have the original email you sent but I'd be happy to buy this cookbook and make it a giveaway at the next fest. That way she only has to ship it to SC. Give me the particulars and I'll take care of it. I love you and hope you don't go away. One of my greatest musical honors was performing with you in our set at Full Moon: Free Man In Paris, Talk To Me, Refuge Of The Roads. I'll never forget it. Bob NP: Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancing In The Street" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:16:33 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: 100 Greatest Gayest Albums Not my list but I'd have included Donna Summer's "Live and More", Manhattan Transfer's "Extensions" and certainly Bette Midler's "Thighs and Whispers." And how could Ethel Merman's Disco Album be MIA? CC _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:29:16 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Joni should see that. Rian (shortest post so far) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:09:27 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin Betcha eighteen bucks that Joni won't like Sarah Palin. Remember Joni saying in a recent interview that the biggest sorrow in her life was what we have done to our earth? Palin: the real scandal By Leonard Doyle in Anchorage Saturday, 6 September 2008 "Seen from the air, Sarah Palin's state is an environmental wonderland. From Anchorage to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, there is a vast landscape of snow-capped peaks, fjords, crystal glaciers, coastal lagoons, wide river deltas and tundra. The guardian of this wilderness  and Governor of Alaska  has, this week, become one of the most recognisable faces in the world. But behind her beaming smile and wholesome family values is a woman aligned with the big oil and coal firms that are racing to exploit Alaska's vast energy reserves...." The whole thing is here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-the-real-scandal-920803.html Thank you BS from SS for sending this. "Palin has allowed big game hunters to shoot Alaska's bears and wolves from low-flying planes." She would let someone shoot Joni's bear! Imaginez-vous! Black bear in the orchard At night he's in my garbage cans He's getting so bold but no one wants to shoot him He's got a right to roam this land. I feel like Geronimo I used to be as trusting as Cochise But the white eyes lies He's out of whack with nature And look how far his weapons reach! Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place. I don't think this woman has the courage and the grace -- or the genius -- to save this place. She's out of whack with nature. She sets up trembling in my bones. xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:09:53 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin Black bear in the orchard At night he's in my garbage cans He's getting so bold but no one wants to shoot him He's got a right to roam this land. I feel like Geronimo I used to be as trusting as Cochise But the white eyes lies He's out of whack with nature And look how far his weapons reach! Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place Gawd!! She sure can lay down some goooooood! lines. Love that women. gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: leaving the list marian, i hope that you won't leave this list because you are valued beyond words, and i feel that you have so much to offer. i will never forget the time when you were at full moon, playing in joni style on your guitar, just by the steps of the front porch of the main house. as i stated earlier on, your concerns are completely understandable...and fer crist's sake, if you cannot share them here, then what have we become. to me, smurph, i think that you've spoken far too harshly against marian. she's a long term sister here and it is sad to me that she no longer feels that she can "be" here. what you said shocked me and made me very sad. the cookbook fiasco was important to marian for reasons that we know, and may not know. it's obviously something near and dear to marian's heart, and be damned if i can sit back and say nothing about it. marian, i'm still with you on all that. mags np: silence i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:52:58 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I have only met Marian once, at one of the fests at Ashara's. I haven't corresponded with much of anybody for awhile now but there was a time when I would exchange an offlist email or two with Marian. From what I know of Marian, she is an intelligent, warm and talented human being. For those of you who use the guitar tabs site, Marian was a major contributor to it. She has 'de-coded' many of Joni's alternate tunings for various songs and been very generous in sharing them. Maybe the cookbook thang was a tempest in a teacup. Not everybody thought so. But I do think it would be a terrible loss if Marian were to leave and I would hate for her to go with a lot of negative feelings. And I certainly don't think she needs to feel burdened with guilt. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Marian Russell" Cc: ; "Smurf" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks > Marian, > > I don't have the original email you sent but I'd be happy to buy > this > cookbook and make it a giveaway at the next fest. That way she only > has to > ship it to SC. Give me the particulars and I'll take care of it. > > I love you and hope you don't go away. One of my greatest musical > honors > was performing with you in our set at Full Moon: Free Man In Paris, > Talk > To Me, Refuge Of The Roads. I'll never forget it. > > Bob > > NP: Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancing In The Street" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:14:29 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: leaving the list What the hell did I miss? Someone talking trash on Marian? That could not have happened - Marian is one one of the really great people here who means a great, great deal to many of us. Marian has been personally kind to many, myself included, and she has meant so much to the JMDL and Joni's music. Marian: stay, you are essential to this place in a way that few are. Vince On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Mags wrote: > marian, > > i hope that you won't leave this list because you are valued beyond words, > and i feel that you have so much to offer. i will never forget the time > when > you were at full moon, playing in joni style on your guitar, just by the > steps > of the front porch of the main house. > > as i stated earlier on, your concerns are completely understandable...and > fer > crist's sake, if you cannot share them here, then what have we become. > > to me, smurph, i think that you've spoken far too harshly against marian. > she's a long term sister here and it is sad to me that she no longer feels > that she can "be" here. > > what you said shocked me and made me very sad. the cookbook fiasco was > important to marian for reasons that we know, and may not know. it's > obviously > something near and dear to marian's heart, and be damned if i can sit back > and > say nothing about it. > marian, i'm still with you on all that. > > mags > np: silence > > > > > i exist as i am, that is enough > ~walt whitman~ > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for > the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:23:30 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Bobby Muller, thank you for your kind offer to get the book and make it a giveaway at a fest. Marian, you must stay with us. Please. Smurf, you are generally a funny and relaxed guy. I'm not, so maybe I can offer the opinion that you over-reacted in the manner in which you said Marian was. You could have dealt with it in one sentence. Smurf is a good person. Marian is a good person. Bobby M will take care of this. Let a little time go - say a half hour - and it will all be ancient history and one of the smallest dust-ups we've ever had here and we all can forget about it because we have good people having a miscommunication issue and problem is solved. Vince On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, wrote: > Marian, > > I don't have the original email you sent but I'd be happy to buy this > cookbook and make it a giveaway at the next fest. That way she only has to > ship it to SC. Give me the particulars and I'll take care of it. > > I love you and hope you don't go away. One of my greatest musical honors > was performing with you in our set at Full Moon: Free Man In Paris, Talk > To Me, Refuge Of The Roads. I'll never forget it. > > Bob > > NP: Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancing In The Street" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:29:45 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now Dear Ones: I wish I could find a you-tube of Joni singing that with CSN! But you all know the words...and the song they sing. I just got the latest digest, and I am feeling everyone's pain. And I just learned, via Facebook, that one of us just lost his mother. (I don't want to say too much about that, in case he wants some privacy.) I believe, and appreciate very much, that people here are free to express whatever they want. NJC works for me. I love the personal stories (but that's just me). Marian and Smurf: let's have a sandwich hug! I understand what you are both expressing. Ummm...maybe I should not be writing in this fragile state (I'm so tired, I haven't slept a wink...my mind is on the brink...or is it blink?), but I just want to gently remind everyone that we all come from such different sets of circumstance. You never know what people are going through. Some of us are dealing with losses, death and birth and death and birth, broken hearts, cancer, family problems (I got a call tonight that one of my brothers is in big trouble, and Jeannie, my heart goes out to you and your son), hurricanes coming, and you know there may be more. Spinning out on turns that get you tough. Not to mention the wars that don't seem to cease, and the crazy politics, et tout ca.... I don't mean to be preachy. I really just want to reach out and give everyJonibody a hug. I wish I could interrupt everyone's sorrow, but I don't have that power. I'm just chicken-scratchin' for peace, love and understanding. Sleep in heavenly peace, my friends, all across the universe. (Oh, merde! "My friends"??? Now I sound like McS(h)ame!) (wan smile) Tomorrow will be a new day, a new way, to carry on. LOVE, Patti P., a little bit corny, a tired wildwood flower wavin' for ya "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:34:28 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Too heavy on Pet Shop Boys and Mad-dog-ga for my taste. But there are some great picks on this list. I love what Bruce Vilanch wrote about Laura Nyro and LaBelle's 'Gonna Take A Miracle'. 'Dusty in Memphis', 'Judy at Carnegie Hall' - right on. I also love the inclusions of Kate Bush's 'Hounds of Love' and REM's 'Automatic For the People'. But only 1 Bette Midler? Although 'The Divine Miss M' was a great debut, 'Live at Last' should have been on there as well. And not 1 Marianne Faithful??? Or Rickie Lee Jones??? Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "jon i" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums > Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess smoe > rejected > it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made the list, > here > is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time made it! > > Jerry > > http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:16:09 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums All in all, a fairly impressive list IMO. Most notable me to was how many of The Smiths' albums were on the list, with a #2 and #6 mention, #32, #33, and Morrissey himself at #92. Morrissey is a huge Joni fan, Blue being one of his all-time favorite records, and doing at least one interview with Joni at his side that I know of. Indigo Girls coming in at #4 also impressed. 2 Patti Smith, 1 Kate Bush, 1 Tori Amos, 1 Sarah McLachlan, and finally 1 Joni mention - FTR (#99) is pretty good as well. Madonna only had one mention in the top 10, with most of the rest residing at the bottom of the list, which was refreshing. (I like Madonna's music to some degree though not enough to buy her albums, I especially liked her attempt at playing guitar, it was an attempt after all... - American Dream?? ...whatever... - her music simply doesn't give you "anything to feed and grow on". I've never owned a Bette Midler album, nor a Barbara Streisand album either for that matter, but Barbara's not being included on the list has finally convinced me I'm not a "closet" straight person. - -- - -Mark in Florida NP: Laura Pausini: Por El Camino On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > Too heavy on Pet Shop Boys and Mad-dog-ga for my taste. But there are some > great picks on this list. I love what Bruce Vilanch wrote about Laura Nyro > and LaBelle's 'Gonna Take A Miracle'. 'Dusty in Memphis', 'Judy at Carnegie > Hall' - right on. I also love the inclusions of Kate Bush's 'Hounds of > Love' and REM's 'Automatic For the People'. > > But only 1 Bette Midler? Although 'The Divine Miss M' was a great debut, > 'Live at Last' should have been on there as well. > > And not 1 Marianne Faithful??? Or Rickie Lee Jones??? > > Mark E. in Seattle > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > To: "jon i" > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:44 AM > Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums > > > Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess smoe rejected >> it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made the list, here >> is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time made it! >> >> Jerry >> >> http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 >> > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:52:43 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" To: "Mark Scott" Cc: "Jerry Notaro" ; "jon i" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums 1 Kate Bush, Actually Kate has 2 on the list. 'Hounds of Love' and 'The Kick Inside' > > I've never owned a Bette Midler album, nor a Barbara Streisand album > either > for that matter, but Barbara's not being included on the list has > finally > convinced me I'm not a "closet" straight person. I didn't notice the absence of Babs! How funny, girl! Apparently she's no longer considered 'cool' in the gay world. Still I think if they're going to include Garland, they should include Streisand. They are, after all the grandmother and mother of gay icons! Have you ever seen their duet from 'The Judy Garland Show'? A very young Barbra starts off with 'Happy Days Are Here Again' and Judy comes in with 'Get Happy' underneath her. By the end of the thing they are both at full throttle and it is something else again! The 2 songs actually fit quite well together, both lyrically and melodically. Mark in Seattle aka Chatty Cathy tonight for some reason ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #162 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe