From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 161 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Man from mars [kjhsf@aol.com] fw: JM Cookbooks ["marian" ] Re: fw: JM Cookbooks ["Lori Fye" ] urge for bluegrass [Mags ] We're baaaaaaaaaaaack [Michael Paz ] Re: From Bo [Peep Richman ] PS22 Sings Circle Game [Bob Muller ] Fw: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:57:11 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Man from mars Marion- I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.? It is hard to lose a pet.? They bring us comfort while they are with us, and then leave us too soon. Man from Mars is just perfect, ESPECIALLY the oft debated "big boo-hoo", which to me is exactly what you feel about the loss. It's a kind of grief that is best described as a big sob-almost a pure kind of grieving. I don't know if you've heard Joni's piano demo of Man From Mars, but I much prefer it to the TTT version.? I think Bob M sent it to me once upon a time. Hang in there! Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Marion Leffler To: 'JMDL' Sent: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 4:38 am Subject: Man from mars On Sunday afternoon my cat died. Bless Joni for writing Man from mars. It's a comfort to know she knows what I am going through and for expressing it! Who else has written a song about the sorrow of losing a cat? So, as always, it's Joni who helps me through my darker moments of life. Sorry for bothering you with this sad news but I do feel you are my friends and I hope you won't mind. Love, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:19:38 -0700 From: "marian" Subject: fw: JM Cookbooks Any takers? - ---------------------------------------- From: "Mary Hanrahan" Sent: 04 September 2008 06:06 To: "marian Russell" Subject: JM Cookbooks Hi Marion, I mailed Russell B.'s cookbook off on Tuesday. I guess I didn't save his e-mail address to tell him, but it's on its way. Yesterday I talked to the man who had the other copy, and have his permission to sell it. Have you found a second buyer? I will sell it as I said, for $25. Russell sent me an extra $5 for shipping, etc. I will certainly accept more than $25, for, as you know, I would have collected more on Ebay. Now that the dust has settled, I realize there was nothing to prevent me from selling it legally, and feel that JMDL members used some intimidation tactics to sway me. I could find nothing in Ebay policies that would prevent me from selling it there. But what's done is done. If I receive payment within 2 weeks, I will sell it to a JMDL member. Mail payment to: MARY HANRAHAN 30 BELMONT AVE KEENE, NH 03431 Thanks- Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:48:48 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: fw: JM Cookbooks > Now that the dust has settled, I realize there was > nothing to prevent me from selling it legally, and feel > that JMDL members used some intimidation tactics > to sway me. Gawd, we're such a SCARY bunch, aren't we? It was never a question of legality; it was a question of ethics. I would write this to Mary Hanrahan myself, but it would probably freak her out. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: urge for bluegrass paul castle wrote: Really like Darrell Scott's bluegrass version of 'Urge for Going' (with Del McCoury on harmony vocals) on his new album of cover songs 'Modern Hymns' which is #1 on the Folkdj-l airplay chart for August, I see ('Urge For Going' is equal #2 on the August song airplay chart). love the blue grass version of Urge For Going. lots of fun, that one. i think tom rush's version remains one of my favourites. but then again, i got a thang for tom rush ever since i met him at hugh's room (hi catherine) and he stood there with his arm around me until my friend could find some batteries for his camera, which just happened to kack out at that moment hehe.....he's a sweetheart, and while he didnt perform that song, he did perform a tender rendition of circle game. hey paul, would you come to Winnipeg next summer for Pegfest? I promise to get a hold of Nathan Rogers for you while you are here, even ask him to play a little Joni melody. He's getting more and more like Stan every day...and he's embracing that with his heart. And then there's the inuit throat singing thing that he does...fantastic. good to see you posting. Bob, thanks for the new covers of Joni songs, I'll have a listen real soon. love, Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:10:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: We're baaaaaaaaaaaack Hi All Just a note to let you all know we made it safely home in no traffic delays. We had electrical power back within the hour of getting back. The place is a mess as always and have another tree down in the backyard, but we are happy to be home. Life is good. Hard, but good. I got addicted to Facebook since I had tons of time to listen to the hurricane news so I have posted a bunch of pics from over the years. What a great way to share and keep up with friends in one place. It is one of the easiest places I have seen to upload pics and videos and music and chatting all under one roof. Anyway I posted a new pic just now of me celebrating at a Thai restaurant last night. It's a cool pic of me chatting up this hot babe while being watched by her rather peculiar friend. Thank you SO much for all the emails and calls. I truly appreciate the friendship and your concern. Lets all pray these 2 other storms out there fizzle out and die. Hope all you NYC people got my post about the Herbie taping. I would love to be there. Love Paz Np-Glorious AC cooling down me casa. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:16:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo Well...I actually watched the entire horror show...then I immediately went to get Joni's "The Beginning Of Survival". I want to send Palin and 'them' a copy of Chief Seattle's Letter To The President"...I'm not convinced any of 'them'can read...comprehend...consider...ponder...experience empathy (if they've ever heard of the word)...Palin can easily be diagnosed as having a life-long case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder...as a matter of fact, she meets the criteria for most of the personality disorders according to the American psychiatric DSM. Pal-face is articulate, I guess, that's about all I can say positive about her, other than I liked her glasses. I think she's a horrendous mom...not the hockey mom she referenced to far too often. I can't believe she has five kids...can't imagine her in a horizontal position. And how she exploited her baby (how often did the camera focus on that young, beautiful spirit...no wonder he slept through his mother's entire speech!!). Palin is NOT experienced...she was Mayor of a small town...and she's been Governor for 20 months...and they say Obama is without sufficient experience??? The world watched Palin...she was totally shameful...and her hunting ability has instilled itself throughout her entire brain. Tough cookie??? She gets off on projecting her toughness...what does that say about her (lack of) character??? She's a robot from within a hollow brain. I don't think she's particularly bright...she's spent a great deal of her life creating a package that she carries with no grace whatsoever. Okay..she's articulate...she rehearsed that speech a million times...and I imagine she wrote more of it than we think...maybe her lack of proper sentence structure was doctored up a bit...who cares? One thing Palin is: DANGEROUS.."be afraid, VERY afraid". I know I am. Palin would have said anything she thought the audience would want to hear. And, now that she has a "special needs baby" she'll be an advocate to all the parents with the same experience!!! She'll build a thousand institutions throughout our country and praise the parents who have given their special needs children to live in an environment that will eventually lead to their death...a bit harsh, but there are people who give up the will to live. So Track's going to Iraq...and that's supposed to garnish what emotion? Is there a possibility that she made sure that her son will 'serve our country'? This piss poor protoplasm of a human being is one thing: DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!! She lacked emotion throughout her blabbering. She's a very inadequate copy-cat of those gifted people who really know how to deliver a speech...their words come from the heart. The very idea that she can kill an innocent, magnificent animal is something she takes pride in sharing with the entire world. Think she's a tough cookie??? I don't. Imagine a dialog between Palin and Joni!!!! And the Republican machine thinks that she'll appeal to women...possibly get the women's vote...oh my god!!! I'm thinking Palin/Stalin. I'm shivering in my boots because I do not underestimate the enemy. I don't find her to be pretty...she appears ugly with distorted features...boy oh boy did she ever take care not to smear her lipstick!!! Did you see how she kissed her children...her husband??? Palin is an actress...nothing more. I shudder to even consider that this "gal" (as she made reference to herself) could actually become our Vice President. Oh my god!!!! What did I think of her speech? Flech..a stronger UCH!!! Bo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game The audio & video quality of this is not the greatest, but it made my heart feel good and brought the water to my eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5DejZNwQ Always nice to be reminded of the goodness in the world. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Aurora" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:38:56 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Fw: JM Cookbooks I am so tired of hearing from this person! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Hanrahan To: Marian Russell Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Hi Marion, I remember your conversation with the librarian. I agree that I may have had no rights as far as copying the book, even though it is not copyrighted. I never had any thought or intention of making copies of it, never. I've sold many books on Ebay and probably every one has had a copyright, so copyright laws aren't even an issue here. Once I own a book, I can sell it. Your book was made with permission and given away as a gift. You basically gave it away, so that, those copies were no longer yours. You may have rights to the contents as with any book, but the book itself was no longer yours. How from there 2 copies came to be in a second hand shop, I don't know, but obviously someone gave it away, died, or whatever. Ebay really has no restrictions on books as you can read on their policy as far as what can be sold. If someone was selling illegally made books I imagine that would be quite another thing. Your complaint may have caused me a hassle, but I can't imagine that anything would stick from it. With my good Ebay reputation, they would hardly have banned me, just don't believe there would be any grounds. True members of JMDL were upset about the listing, but that doesn't mean there was a thing wrong with me listing it. I think members should have bid on it if it was such an issue. Anyway, I realize I did choose to take it off, and it's done now. I just needed to say that I think the overall 'gangbusters' approach was hardly called for. I think I could have been approached in a different way. I may write to Ebay myself to see what they say. Dr Laura had offered to buy the book if I would take it off, but she didn't mention it after I did, so not sure what happened there. Anyway, I'll wait and see who I hear from. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian Russell To: Mary Hanrahan Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Hi Mary - I forwarded your message below to the list, so hopefully someone interested will contact you. If you don't hear from anyone in the next few days, let me know and I will make an effort to contact a couple of people who seemed interested. That you removed this book from ebay is appreciated by a number of the contributors who were upset about its appearance there. If you had not removed it, I would, as I said before, have filed a formal complaint with ebay against you on their behalf. Sometimes I can see their point and sometimes I can't, and I certainly am not a lawyer, so I don't know with absolute certainty the legalities, however I did respect the opinion of one of the members who is a librarian and who is very knowledgeable about copyright law and who adamantly stated that no one had the right to sell the book in ebay. As the compiler, I felt an obligation to those in the JMDL who were upset about the book being sold in ebay, but I thought it would be at least polite to contact you personally before filing a formal complaint against you to see if you would be willing to remove the book voluntarily. I didn't have to do this - I could have just filed the complaint - and not having filed a formal complaint, we cannot know what the consequences to either of us might have been. Maybe ebay would have seen your point of view, but maybe they would have seen the point of view of the upset JMDL members and the librarian. If the latter, one possible consequence might have been that you could have lost your rights to sell in ebay. I think we should both feel grateful that the matter could be resolved without having to resort to a formal complaint. Marian ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #161 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe