From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #150 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 26 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 150 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- UK JONI FEST A rich exchange --- a warm arrangement ["Oddmund Kaarevik" <] Joni and my son [Jeannie ] Fest [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Book on Ebay [Jerry Notaro ] Re: We've hit the big time - JMDL cookbook on Ebay! [Loren Carter ] Joni Fest 2008 ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: Joni Fest 2008 [Michael Paz ] CookBook Brouhaha [Russell Bowden ] Re: Strathmore [bobsart48@aol.com] cookbook concerns and the tragically hip [Mags ] Fwd: [UKJonifest2008] UK JoniFest [JEFF HANKINS Subject: UK JONI FEST A rich exchange --- a warm arrangement Dear all listers ! Just came home to Norway last night after attending my first Joni Fest ever. What an extraordinary event this was. God Bless the Queen - Lucy, for putting it all together. I think what struck me as most extraordinary was the great atmosphere. People coming together because of their love of music, both as musicians and listeners. Well, how can it be anything but successful? I remember Christina and Hennings haunting version of "Journey of the Magi " It really got me in this "Nightmare before Christmas mood" OR what about Christina and Jeff's great version of unreleased Joni song "Pirate of Penance " something. Or what about Robin and Dave's heartbreaking version of "River" that almost brouught me to tears. Or Lucas to the heart version of "The rose" it was just so beautiful. I also fully enjoyed Mr.Muller and rocking lady 1 Anita's version of "Raised on a Robbery" -- Chris I'm sorry for going crazy on the tambourine, but such great and catchy music really leads me to wanna wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive.... I remember Our Dear Queen Lucy's version of "Crazy Man Michael" Sandy Denny revisited, indeed. Or what about Les Ross coming in the first night, just when we all thought the music was over, and doing two fabolous songs bringing me to tears and convincing me to listening more to male vocalists. His versions of "Amelia" and "The Magdelene Laundries" were just superb. And so much great music for hours and hours again. Dave Blackburn is a great found in the guitar, that man seems to be able to do anything on the guitar. And Barry, get that falsetto voice out there, it rocks !!! And lastly I remember Garret's beautiful voice singing a traditional irish song in the song circle last night. And I hope next time he will step out on the stage. What a treat it would be to hear the Magdalene laundries in that voice ! Else Wonderful food ! Great conversations Comfort and consultations 17 bottles of fine Rhine Wine And Donna from Texas on her first UK trip singing one of my favorite Tracy Chapman songs, how could I possibly sit still.... What a great thing this has been ! I feel so delighted being a part of it all. And to all who as ever considered to go to a Joni fest, but still hasn't gone, DO IT ! No regrets Coyote -- this is just pure fun love and music ! And finally Lieve I'm convinced now - Nick Hornby who in many ways brought me to Joni's rich music, would have enjoyned it. He's one of us ! Thanks so much everybody ! You all have a place in my heart now ! Love and Bless ! Oddmund, Norway NP. Belle and Sebastian "Me an the Major" from Garrett s great UK joni fest CD, a rich arrangement indeed, my cup runneth over ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:37:41 -0500 From: Jeannie Subject: Joni and my son My son finally acquired the fight to fiercely battle some prescription pill and alcohol addictions he had been abusing off and on for a few years. He moved into his father's and step-mother's most gracious home as a retreat/re-hab, "get a good grip of yourself," sort of situation and things are falling in place and the greatest gift of it all is that his father and step-mom really, really care for him and doing so much for him and he's healing and I see happiness and hope in his eyes. He never had a truly close relationship with his old man. Growing up, he knew his father and his father knew him from distances here and there, neither ever making efforts to see each other other than the court appointed "every other week-end visitation rights," birthdays, holidays and that was it. A few months back, my son recently betrayed me due to his problems and I was in total disbelief and devastated. (Later I understood he truly was 'striking out of fear' just to fit into the circus crowd.) But his karma was killing him and he knew it but he's coming out kicking the shit off like a champ, even if it's a day to day challenge, non-stop, non-stop. Well, honestly, with so many good things happening with my son's move to his dad's the dark skied rain clouds I was forced to look at for days and days are now flowing with row after row of curly angel hair and so many miles and miles of ailes of our lives jamming out with Joni and I can see all sorts of Teresa of Avila crystal castles in the air...it's nice, even if you suffer, making it all even more beautiful. Thanks, Joni, and thanks to all the members of this lovely place, the JMDL! Truly, Jeannie PS: There's a bit more to this Joni and my son content to come later. Have to go cuddle my cats and snuggle up my buddy ol' canines now. Good night y'all!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:50:44 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Fest Joni fest was just such a nice experience, and I'll write my review tonight if I can - am exhausted today and in a strangely good mood. Talking to people at work I notice I address them in this slightly unusual, friendly way that I can't quite describe, and I almost expect them to get out a guitar and sing their answers back to me. It's as if I'm exuding jonivibes, not my personal ones but some sort of over-personal ones... I'm sure this sounds weird, but I'm also sure someone will understand...?! Jeeez im glad I went! More later on, there is a lot to tell! ViBene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:16:12 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Book on Ebay Marian, You are 100% on target with the facts, but copyright is a complicated thing and one of the most misunderstood concepts. She thinks like most people, I paid for it, I own it, I can sell it. What she doesn9t understand is that since 1976 copyright is assigned upon creation. And yes, she owns the book, but NOT the content. I have the same problem explaining to students and faculty that they can9t stream everything in the library! Jerry NP: Melanie - Lay Down (on Joni lovin9 WMNF) > Hi Jerry, > > Here is what I wrote to her. I decided to just go ahead with what you had > said before. > > Let's see what she says. > > Best regards, > > Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marian Russell > To: Mary Hanrahan > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: Book on Ebay > > Hello Mary - > > It is comforting to know that at least you do not seem to be mass producing > these in order to make money. > > The book you have in your possession is not an original copy of the book, but > a copy that someone who had access to an original copy made of the original > for private distribution within a private group. There were only four > original copies made, one of which was given to Joni Mitchell as a birthday > present in 1999. The original books were in a special binding that can never > again be reproduced. > > As I understand copyright law, once an item is created and printed, it is > copyrighted by the creator(s), whether or not it is ever actually registered > officially with the copyright office Technically, the copyright is assigned > upon "creation" which may or may not involve "printing." Of course it is > better to register it, but it is not required, apparently. A used book sold > by a bookseller means the original rights holder(s) were initially compensated > by assigning license to the publisher. This makes it "legally acquired." That > was never done in this case. It is the same as if you gave a tape of your > original songs to someone and they tried to sell it without your permission. > > As another, perhaps more relevant example, J.D. Salinger brought a case > against Random House for publishing his letters that he had donated to a > library. Just because they had them does not give them the right to copy or > publish them. BTW, he won, and Random House lost. > The contents of the book belong to the contributors and to me as compiler of > the material. It is private material that contains private information that > was never intended for sale to the public or for distribution out of our > private group. To me is is exactly the same as J.D. Salinger's letters. > > I realize that you are not a meanspirited or greedy person and that you are > only trying to earn extra income and I hope you will accept Laura Stanley's > offer, and withdraw the book. > > I have to go to work now, and will reply to your message as soon as I get back > home. > > Sincerely, > > Marian Russell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Mary Hanrahan >> >> To: marian@jmdl.com >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:04 AM >> >> Subject: Book on Ebay >> >> >> >> Hello Marion, >> >> I seemed to have caused a tempest in a teapot by putting the JM book on >> Ebay. I found 2 of them at a local flea market shop. I bought just one and >> paid for it. This book shows no indication that it is copyrighted, is it? >> I feel I now own the book and can do what I want with it. The fact that it >> was never meant to be sold does not mean that it can't legally be sold, if I >> bought and paid for it. Am I wrong? >> >> I sell some things on Ebay and have some other employment. I made about >> $7000 to $8000 last year so I am far from wealthy. I was excited to see >> that there was so much interest in this book, as I can use the money. >> >> I am more honest than most people. I'm not saying this to brag, it is >> simply fact. I make it a point not to do the wrong thing, and hold myself >> to high standards. >> >> In the future I am sure that other copies of this book will turn up, as >> estates are settled, etc. Perhaps this is how these books came to be in a >> small NH city I'm not sure. >> >> At any rate, I am willing to correspond with you about this, and perhaps you >> can explain to me why I don't have the right to sell this. Right now I >> can't see that I am doing anything wrong legally. The book, as far as I've >> looked, does not state that it can't be sold. >> >> I'll look forward to hearing from you. >> >> Mary merrys_books ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Carter Subject: Re: We've hit the big time - JMDL cookbook on Ebay! Laura, As I was catching up on the new posts this morning, that thought went through my mind. If Marian is in contact with the seller, I would ask her to be an intermediary to just purchase the book outright and be done with it. In my feeble mind I'da been willing to go to $40 for the edition just to keep it "in house", any more than that and I'd have to do some serious thinking. Then when I woke up, I'd have to make a decision about it. Cost for me is not the issue, I'm not rich, but I have been known to fritter away a hundred $$$ or more just cuz I feel like spending it on something I don't need. So, whatever happens, I know that Marian has promised me the PDF version of the book, and I can manage to bind it myself (gotta love Kinkos!). My whole involvement was an attempt to keep things in the family. And, Laura, thanks so much for the thoughts. If that event were to come to pass, the next time you're in the DC area, you'd have to come over for dinner for a meal prepared from a recipie in the cookbook. Not by me, though I could make a peanut brittle snack bowl to die for. Loren - ----- Original Message ---- From: Laura Stanley To: joni@smoe.org Cc: lorencarter00@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:50:13 PM Subject: Re: We've hit the big time - JMDL cookbook on Ebay! Loren wrote: Marian, I would love to have a copy of the PDF of the cookbook, but if I can get the one from eBay off the streets, then I won't need it. But, let's see what happens when the dust settles from the eBay front. If it turns out that the bidding gets too stupid or combative, I'll be back at your door, with my hat in my hand. But for now, let's wait to see what the future holds. thanks for the offer, Loren Hi Loren, What if another bidder on this list does just as you are and uselessly raises the cost trying to rescue the cook book? I don't think we should bid on it. Because of the possible legal consequences and out of respect for those in the book, I hope the seller will pull it. I've offered off of eBay via email to the seller to pay for the cook book as a form of mediation hopefully encouraging them to pull it off eBay asap. If they agree, I'll give it to you Loren. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: We've hit the big time - JMDL cookbook on Ebay! - --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Loren Carter wrote: > So, whatever happens, I know that Marian has promised me > the PDF version of the book, and I can manage to bind it > myself (gotta love Kinkos!). My whole involvement was an > attempt to keep things in the family. > > And, Laura, thanks so much for the thoughts. If that event > were to come to pass, the next time you're in the DC > area, you'd have to come over for dinner for a meal > prepared from a recipie in the cookbook. Not by me, though > I could make a peanut brittle snack bowl to die for. Hi Loren, Thanks for your hospitality! It's a deal! Btw, the seller on eBay is falsely advertising the cook book as rare when any of us on the JMDL can have the pdf of it. I wonder if there is an eBay ethics committee that might be able to get her to remove it from eBay on this grounds. If she does sell it and the buyer finds out from us they could have had it for free just by joining our community, they will be very disappointed. Bidding is up to $36 now. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:41:19 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: We've hit the big time - JMDL cookbook on Ebay! On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > > > Btw, the seller on eBay is falsely advertising the cook book as > rare when any of us on the JMDL can have the pdf of it. It cracks me up when people have some random vinyl for sale and call it rare when you can most likely find it at any used record store or yard sale. It is used much to liberally. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: UK JoniFest Thanks for those who have shared the fest reports. Sounds like a WONDERFUL time. I can't wait to read more reports when everyone rest up. I also hope Chris Marshall puts the photos on Hatstand. Jimmy ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: No more JMDL cookbook on eBay, yay!!! Yo community church of Joni, I got this notice a few minutes ago: "Dear lcstanley7, This book has been taken off EBay, you will be happy to know! Mary - - merrys_books" Way to go everybody!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:12:21 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: No more JMDL cookbook on eBay, yay!!! This is great news, Laura. Thanks for your efforts which I'm sure helped. All the best, Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Stanley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: No more JMDL cookbook on eBay, yay!!! > Yo community church of Joni, I got this notice a few minutes ago: > > > "Dear lcstanley7, > > This book has been taken off EBay, you will be happy to know! > Mary > > - merrys_books" > > > > Way to go everybody!!! > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:41:09 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: UK Joni Fest 2008 Hello all It Tuesday 26^th August and I am sitting here at my house, staggered by the fact that the UK Joni FEST of 2008 has happened, it is done, over, and it is hanging in my head and heart like some wonderful tapestry. When I floated the idea of a FEST last June, I had an idea that it would work quite well at Holycombe (www.holycombe.com for those who have not seen where we went to). Warwickshire is a beautiful county of hilly Cotswold farmland, trees, fields, valleys and staggeringly pretty villages, nestling around names such as Woodstock (yep and its been there for hundreds and hundreds of years) Chipping Norton, Shipston on Stour, Little Rollright.. Holycombe is a beautiful and serene place with grounds and facilities that support outside songcirlces, discussions, and conversations and is the sort of venue that permits an intimate and friendly FEST.It fulfilled all its promise - I think. I know, now, how Ashara feels about the enormity of making sure the venue is right. Thankfully I know I /was/ right to have chosen Holycombe or rather that it had come to me via a friend and the inkling of an idea germinated for ages and it was with Garretts prompting that I floated this idea to the list Anyway enough of the preamble.. Oh I should mention the weather. For those of you who have not ever experienced an English Summer you will need to understand the hardiness of us Brits. Rain and rain and rain, and some cold winds and then baking hot sun, followed by more rain. The end of August is always a bit of a challenge and this one was no different from any other and I am grateful that no one complained about the oddity of it all! We were unable to use the fire pit as it really was chilly and too wet to sit out. So here is my account, unable to do the people who fleshed out this gathering any justice whatsoever. You were all wonderful, all superb fun and I hope we can do it again, this time with catering staff to take off the pressure and let me and John enjoy the music more. It was an amazing start on Thursday. Everyone arriving, greeting, laughing talking, hugging and generally doing all the stuff that Festers do when they meet either again or for the first time. So lovely to meet for the first time, Oddmund, Jeff Hankins, Dave and Robin, Delene and Barry, Christina and Henning, and meeting up again with Lieve, Bob Muller, Chris M, Les Ross, Donna, Adriano and Licia, Laurent, Anita and Steph, Mike Pritchard, Patrick Leader . For John Woodley, who is my new man this must have felt like a Joni baptism but he loved everyone and quietly got stuck in with everything and helping me with the food. Thursday night was a buffet of not only food but also of music. Acoustic and free flowing ranging from various Joni songs, my first ever hearing of Jonis The Magi through to Stylistics, Beatles, 10cc, Oh my memories will have to be refreshed with a set list, which I know Chris has kept carefully. The sheer talent in the room has to be acknowledged. Dave and Robin  just outstanding and I am not sure that Robin isnt actually Joni in disguise.. wait til you see the photos of her and hear her voice. Astonishing amazing voice and incredible music from Dave. Delene St Clair and Barry Cahill also astonishing musicians and vocalists pumping out such a variety of songs. Christinas pure early Joni vibrato, Les and his mellow, amazing voice, Donna singing and playing sorry from Tracey Chapman. All the incredible songs and harmonies, everyone singing for the joy of it. I think the most wonderful find of Fest for his own songwriting ability, musicianship and having the most stunning voice also has to be Jeff Hankins. His song The Vow has to be snapped up somewhere along the line as one of the most beautiful love songs ever and I think everyone was completely and utterly overwhelmed by its beauty. Every day Jeff came out with another stunning song  I want his CD when he gets round to making one. Friday just cruised along with incredible music during the day and the evening and people getting into the swing of things. Bene arrived from Denmark (look Bene I got it right)  having tried to walk from Moreton in Marsh  8 miles but got a bit lost  but finally and with great happines we were able to welcome her to the throng. Saturday more and more and more of the same incredible musicality and sheer joyfulness of being free, for this time, to do nothing other than enjoy, and listen and sing, and take part and generally exist in the bubble that is Fest. Henning and Christina, Anita, Barry and Delene, Dave and Robin all did amazing sets. Laurent played for a succession of different vocalists, as did Dave and Barry and Delene (although this could have been Sunday!) I have to say that I slightly  but not a lot- regret taking on the role of food provider. John and I fully appreciate the help from those festers who came down to the Lodge and chopped veg, and fruit and did other things essential to the arrival of food, on time to the table. But, since the most serviceable kitchen was at the Lodge and not up at the main house, we missed out on the fabulous sing along of Beatles stuff but heard so many wonderful snatches of it it was almost like being in the crowd. Sunday more and more and more and more of the same and I wondered if there was going to come a point when the music ran out, but at 4 am there were still a whole crowd of us down in the main room singing our hearts out and laughing fit to bursting point. Garrett has to be got onto stage to sing some Irish songs. His rendition of The Fields of Athenry was wonderful. Such a lovely lovely voiceAlso, Chris Marshall . You need to get up and sing more  Fabulous voice you have and just superb I also want to mention Licia and Adriano singing their songs from Joan Baez. Joan B was one of the artists that inspired me to learn guitar, along with Pentangle and Fairport Convention. To hear Licia singing Plaisir dAmour, Donna Donna and Diamonds and Rust was sheer bliss for me. Thank you so much. I have re read this and it reads like a dirge and does not really capture the sheer fun and laughter and light and enjoyment and absolute delight I had at my third fest. John as a non-Joni person was absolutely blown away by the experience of meeting you all and thoroughly enjoyed the music and laughter and beer and even sharing the cooking with me, for which I will be eternally grateful. Thank you, all of you for coming and if I hope your memories will tumble onto the list so I can enjoy them from your perspectives. My parting snapshot list of favourite moments would include Oddmund and Anita dancing to Black Crow, Seeing everyone talking and laughing at dinner, at breakfast, at the tables outside the Lodge, hearing rain on the roof of Johns and my tent, looking at everyones faces as we all sang along, Johns Baklava, being surprised with a lovely shawl and wine from the group, hearing Jeff Hankins sing. Light on the water of the pond, candle light in the conservatory, the feel of the performance room after fest had finished.  Oh tons more things but it is time to get this sent. Love and light and much much happiness to you all. May your post fest blues be only tiny and short lived. We can always do it again some time.... Lucy - who feels amazed it happened at all! xxxxxxx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:53:04 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Joni Fest 2008 Les Ross wrote a lot for me in the first Joni Fest report, describing Dave Blackburn as most valued player with his generous help and stellar musicianship. Les described the extraordinary Robins singing as eloquent and beautiful. All on the money, Les. For me, it was a privilege to see Robin and Dave (with great additions from Cahill on flute, backing vocals or alto sax on many tunes) tackling seemingly so effortlessy Chair in the Sky, Dog Eat Dog ,Hejira and numerous other Joni tunes. Even the lounge lizard 'Both Sides Now' was fresh and sublime. Robin, as well as being a consummate artist, was also a mean tomato chopper and raucous chorus singer of Queen Lulus 3.30 a.m rendition of the filthy olde English ballad.The Cuckoos Nest. This scored Robin most highly in my book of Joni Fest 2008 Memorable Moments. And thats what these Joni Fests seem to give. So many exquisite moments that arent always about the evening staged performances. Les mentions Henning playing Beatles song after song with Dave during Saturday afternoon. Gosh, that rocked. One amazing morning sing along included Free Man in Paris when the harmonies everyone came up with on the chorus were simply staggering with what seemed a perfect, in time slide Behind the popular SOOOONNNNNNNGGG. The outstanding venue of Holycombe, with its holy well, labyrinth and stone circle chosen by Queen Lulu was, indeed, very special. Lieve had picked up a lake of very good wine and the food that Lucy and her man John spent hours preparing was simply delicious. They worked their socks off to keep us all fed and watered and I am certain it was appreciated by the group. Thanks once again, Lu. During those few days at Holycombe, I felt deeply in touch with the part of me that has walked along with the music of Joni Mitchell for 40 years. It seems such a long time. One moment I was sitting in a room in Holycombe aged 54 with a lot of new friends rocking to Bob Muller singing Raised on Robbery and the next moment someone sang something from Song to a Seagull and I was alone in my bedroom aged just 14, feeling small and mighty frail. Time felt elongated at Holycombe. Steph (my partner) commented to me as Robin was singing one night that she just looked like she had morphed into a mid 30s Joni. It was magical and also slightly weird. Going back in time, in the 1980s I played gigs regularly and my voice and playing were pretty good. When all that (and I) fell apart in 1988, it became a huge struggle for me to accept (as the years rolled by and I did less and less performing) that I wouldnt play or sing again as well as I did in those times. You use it or lose it. It led to me having all kinds of angst about what music meant to me, what music and/or performing were all about. Why get up to play, Anita, if you cant do it as well as you did and others are loads better anyway? What is the point? So then Im in a narcissistic spiral which doesnt help and feels almost paralysing. And then I go to Joni Fest armed with my questions about the nature and function of music, and I am graced to be given some answers. One answer might be that music is about some deeper sharing that maybe I havent always been party to. Robin and Dave touched me beyond measure but at the same time, Licia (from Italy) played Plaisir d'amour having not played for 15 years. Her love for her husband Adriano shone through an initially shaky voice and so far beyond a chord or two that might have been in the wrong place that it was really beautiful. Adriano sang Jericho with a slight Italian lilt that sounded quite exotic to my ears; an exuberant and extraordinary version was delivered of All I Want from the lovely Oddmund (who travelled from the dark woods of Norway) and Patrick got up and simply sang his heart out. All were accompanied again by tireless Dave. Henning played the early Joni songs I didnt know, with Christinas soaring voice hitting Jonis early top notes accurately and cleanly. Les Ross Yvette in English was sung with his customary quiet but affecting style and Queen Lulu reminded us that we were indeed in England, with her singing of traditional English folk songs. On Sunday, Donna took the space to sing a couple of songs that I hadnt heard before and she got good support from Jeff and Bene. I noticed lots of people were following Laurent into his bedroom, which was rather intriguing, so when I was invited to make the trip, I couldnt resist. He closed the door but then kindly gave me the words of Chinese Cafi and we worked it out! My favourite of the things that Laurent played us in the evening was Love the One Youre With. Bob Muller (my King) was on lead vocal and the percussion and arrangement that seemed to manifest as Laurent played gave it a feel which was quite tribal. It was rather cool. In the dark depths of the late night song circle, it was truly good to hear Garret lead us in the Irish ballad, The Fields of Athenry, with a rich baritone voice he keeps well hidden. Just after, Chris sang unaccompanied and it was good to see him truly finding his voice, too. Mike looked happy in the deep night, singing along with Lulu on many of the old songs. I was anticipating having to keep myself together and not cry throughout many of the Joni songs I knew Id hear during the Fest. When I did truly sob, it came out of the blue and was totally unexpected. The night was very late, but I really wanted to stay to see the unassuming Jeff play his set. He gave us a couple of unreleased Joni tracks from very early on, and then said he was going to play a couple of his own. I SO needed to go to bed, but thought Id hang on a couple more minutes to listen. So Jeff played this song about Fathers, sons and men not being allowed to express feelings. Well, it completely did me in. I was worried my sob volume would be very high and, yup, it was. Looking around, I could see I was not alone. Whether or not this song had the highest tissue count of the three days, I couldnt say. But Bloody Hell, what a song that is. So authentic. So genuine. And, amazingly for me, not Joni. All these moments I have recounted I wont ever forget. They were all so deeply shared amongst all those present. Thats what Joni Fest 2008 has taught me. So when I start to bash myself for not being able to play Amelia as well as I would have in 1988, I am going to remember that there is so much more to a Joni Fest (and to life) than how well or badly I play. It may seem a small step to you, but honestly, its a giant leap for me. I was very proud to have the first and oldest Joni gig review on the Blonde in the Bleachers section of JMDL. Written when I first saw Joni play on January 17th 1970, I wrote: Joni communicates to me what she, me and all the young people who were at the concert desire more than anything in the world. Freedom. Now, 38 years later I might write: Jonis music communicates what she, me and many other people desire more than anything in the world. Love and contact with each other. So I have to finish and I hope this long piece doesnt sound sychophantic because I have tried to make it real. One more thing. I cant write this without mentioning again my beloved Steph who, as well as enduring all my angst and anxiety about music for the past 27 years, ensured I had plenty of tissues and clean handkerchiefs for my trip to Joni Fest. Its a sign of my healing that I didnt need all of them. With love to all Anita _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 587 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:20:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Fest 2008 another fab review and insight into the fest. I so wish I could have been there to enjoy it with you all. Chris Marshall sang??? I really wish I could have heard THAT. And we already loved him so for his lovely bottom. It sounds like there was some amazing music as always. Cheers to you all. Lets get some stuff up on You Tube or wherever for us to hear. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Anita Tedder wrote: Les Ross wrote a lot for me in the first Joni Fest report, describing Dave Blackburn as most valued player with his generous help and stellar musicianship. Les described the extraordinary Robins singing as eloquent and beautiful. All on the money, Les. For me, it was a privilege to see Robin and Dave (with great additions from Cahill on flute, backing vocals or alto sax on many tunes) tackling seemingly so effortlessy Chair in the Sky, Dog Eat Dog ,Hejira and numerous other Joni tunes. Even the lounge lizard 'Both Sides Now' was fresh and sublime. Robin, as well as being a consummate artist, was also a mean tomato chopper and raucous chorus singer of Queen Lulus 3.30 a.m rendition of the filthy olde English ballad.The Cuckoos Nest. This scored Robin most highly in my book of Joni Fest 2008 Memorable Moments. And thats what these Joni Fests seem to give. So many exquisite moments that arent always about the evening staged performances. Les mentions Henning playing Beatles song after song with Dave during Saturday afternoon. Gosh, that rocked. One amazing morning sing along included Free Man in Paris when the harmonies everyone came up with on the chorus were simply staggering with what seemed a perfect, in time slide Behind the popular SOOOONNNNNNNGGG. The outstanding venue of Holycombe, with its holy well, labyrinth and stone circle chosen by Queen Lulu was, indeed, very special. Lieve had picked up a lake of very good wine and the food that Lucy and her man John spent hours preparing was simply delicious. They worked their socks off to keep us all fed and watered and I am certain it was appreciated by the group. Thanks once again, Lu. During those few days at Holycombe, I felt deeply in touch with the part of me that has walked along with the music of Joni Mitchell for 40 years. It seems such a long time. One moment I was sitting in a room in Holycombe aged 54 with a lot of new friends rocking to Bob Muller singing Raised on Robbery and the next moment someone sang something from Song to a Seagull and I was alone in my bedroom aged just 14, feeling small and mighty frail. Time felt elongated at Holycombe. Steph (my partner) commented to me as Robin was singing one night that she just looked like she had morphed into a mid 30s Joni. It was magical and also slightly weird. Going back in time, in the 1980s I played gigs regularly and my voice and playing were pretty good. When all that (and I) fell apart in 1988, it became a huge struggle for me to accept (as the years rolled by and I did less and less performing) that I wouldnt play or sing again as well as I did in those times. You use it or lose it. It led to me having all kinds of angst about what music meant to me, what music and/or performing were all about. Why get up to play, Anita, if you cant do it as well as you did and others are loads better anyway? What is the point? So then Im in a narcissistic spiral which doesnt help and feels almost paralysing. And then I go to Joni Fest armed with my questions about the nature and function of music, and I am graced to be given some answers. One answer might be that music is about some deeper sharing that maybe I havent always been party to. Robin and Dave touched me beyond measure but at the same time, Licia (from Italy) played Plaisir d'amour having not played for 15 years. Her love for her husband Adriano shone through an initially shaky voice and so far beyond a chord or two that might have been in the wrong place that it was really beautiful. Adriano sang Jericho with a slight Italian lilt that sounded quite exotic to my ears; an exuberant and extraordinary version was delivered of All I Want from the lovely Oddmund (who travelled from the dark woods of Norway) and Patrick got up and simply sang his heart out. All were accompanied again by tireless Dave. Henning played the early Joni songs I didnt know, with Christinas soaring voice hitting Jonis early top notes accurately and cleanly. Les Ross Yvette in English was sung with his customary quiet but affecting style and Queen Lulu reminded us that we were indeed in England, with her singing of traditional English folk songs. On Sunday, Donna took the space to sing a couple of songs that I hadnt heard before and she got good support from Jeff and Bene. I noticed lots of people were following Laurent into his bedroom, which was rather intriguing, so when I was invited to make the trip, I couldnt resist. He closed the door but then kindly gave me the words of Chinese Cafi and we worked it out! My favourite of the things that Laurent played us in the evening was Love the One Youre With. Bob Muller (my King) was on lead vocal and the percussion and arrangement that seemed to manifest as Laurent played gave it a feel which was quite tribal. It was rather cool. In the dark depths of the late night song circle, it was truly good to hear Garret lead us in the Irish ballad, The Fields of Athenry, with a rich baritone voice he keeps well hidden. Just after, Chris sang unaccompanied and it was good to see him truly finding his voice, too. Mike looked happy in the deep night, singing along with Lulu on many of the old songs. I was anticipating having to keep myself together and not cry throughout many of the Joni songs I knew Id hear during the Fest. When I did truly sob, it came out of the blue and was totally unexpected. The night was very late, but I really wanted to stay to see the unassuming Jeff play his set. He gave us a couple of unreleased Joni tracks from very early on, and then said he was going to play a couple of his own. I SO needed to go to bed, but thought Id hang on a couple more minutes to listen. So Jeff played this song about Fathers, sons and men not being allowed to express feelings. Well, it completely did me in. I was worried my sob volume would be very high and, yup, it was. Looking around, I could see I was not alone. Whether or not this song had the highest tissue count of the three days, I couldnt say. But Bloody Hell, what a song that is. So authentic. So genuine. And, amazingly for me, not Joni. All these moments I have recounted I wont ever forget. They were all so deeply shared amongst all those present. Thats what Joni Fest 2008 has taught me. So when I start to bash myself for not being able to play Amelia as well as I would have in 1988, I am going to remember that there is so much more to a Joni Fest (and to life) than how well or badly I play. It may seem a small step to you, but honestly, its a giant leap for me. I was very proud to have the first and oldest Joni gig review on the Blonde in the Bleachers section of JMDL. Written when I first saw Joni play on January 17th 1970, I wrote: Joni communicates to me what she, me and all the young people who were at the concert desire more than anything in the world. Freedom. Now, 38 years later I might write: Jonis music communicates what she, me and many other people desire more than anything in the world. Love and contact with each other. So I have to finish and I hope this long piece doesnt sound sychophantic because I have tried to make it real. One more thing. I cant write this without mentioning again my beloved Steph who, as well as enduring all my angst and anxiety about music for the past 27 years, ensured I had plenty of tissues and clean handkerchiefs for my trip to Joni Fest. Its a sign of my healing that I didnt need all of them. With love to all Anita _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 587 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:27:58 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: CookBook Brouhaha Gang, Good Lord! Aren't there enough problems on this planet without going ape over this cookbook..I'm in it...I'm bidding on it and I hope I get it. Lighten up. Love, Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:36:11 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Strathmore Loren Regarding our "too much background music" criticism, I believe that I found that to be an occasional problem,?more so?in the second half, and toward the end?- not on every song by any means. I wonder whether our apparent difference of opinion on how severe this problem was had to do with where we were sitting. I was sitting near the rear of the orchestra (row JJ), quite a distance from the stage. I can imagine the problem might have seemed greater for those sitting closer to the front (I think that turned out to be true for the Carnegie Hall tribute concert, where my seats in row 15 were great, but those in the front row complained). Where were your seats ? I'm sort of curious about this, since based on my relatively limited anecdotal evidence to date, I'd rather be away from the stage than close to it. Bobsart - -----Original Message----- From: Loren Carter To: bobsart48@aol.com Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:48 am Subject: Re: Strathmore Bobsart, My wife and I were at the performance, and we agreed to write a review of the evening for Les and the website. We had a great time, made an evening of it. One thing you noted that I wholeheartedly agree with was the periodic "too much background music", and not enough voices.? My favorite performances were the ones up on the balcony (ala Pot Bellies here around DC, where a singer and his guitar sit on a ledge high above the dining floor singing).? I also liked "A Case of You" by the guy sitting at the piano singing by himself.? The voices of Don Juan's daughters were of really fine quality too. Since my Mom has strolled into town for a visit, things on the home front are chaotic, but we'll get a review done.? My wife did take notes and has the complete set list. Any that one singer you mentioned who's coming down with Parkinsons . . . what a lovey voice.? The way they performed The Circle Game to close the show was an excellent end to the evening. humbly, Loren - ----- Original Message ---- From: "bobsart48@aol.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:36:26 AM Subject: Re: Strathmore http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/?node=cityguide/profile&id=1093845 This is a?link to a Washington Post review of?the Strathmore, where the Joni tribute was held in Bethesda. It was written circa the Strathmor'es opening a few years ago, and gives a pretty good feel for the place. As I noted, a very comfortable venue. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: cookbook concerns and the tragically hip Marian, I am sorry to hear of the heartache and frustration this is causing you , and I support you 100%. There's a thing called trust which has been breached.. I mean, come on, selling the cookbook on Ebay? Bad form, imho. which leads me to the next comment i have. Ive been guilty of laying it all out on this list, and as someone pointed out, it's all there, in its glory, (or not). And even though this is a public domain, doesnt mean that I ever intended my words to get pried open wide. I was very naiive when I wrote a lot of things that I did, in particular, about a relationship which was founded and supported within this community. on that note, there are plenty of regrets, big time. I have learned one of the toughest lessons in my life, but all these years later, I do have my life back, my life, my happiness with people, real people in my life, who not only get what Joni means to me, they get me. so Im real careful about spilling the beans about anything. Because you just never know where it's going to end up. as for Chris Marshall performing not one, but TWO Tragically Hip songs, like Catherine McKay, Im thrilled to hear it. To know that someone outside of Canada has heard of the Hip, has been influenced, moved by them, it's wonderful news! The Hip started out in Kingston, Ontario, a beautiful town east of Toronto by about three hours, I think. They were mates in high school, and performed and developed the sound that you hear today, in someone's garage! I love that kind of endearing "success" story. and speaking of stories, there are lots of great stories within the Hip songs. Not sure if the meaning(s) are on their web site or not. I know a few of them, and much like Joni's songs, an interpretation of life. The Hip take it to the edge by utilising the vehicle of their music to bring social justice issues to the forefront. The David Milgaard story is but one example. I wish I could have been at the UK Fest, alas and alack, I shall look forward to all of the stories, his and herstories. I can close my eyes and know that it was brilliant and Lucy Hone, my sister, is a brilliant cook. I can attest to that because she has spent time in my very own kitchen! yes, fond memories there. I am amazed at the distance that some JMDLers will travel for the gathering of Joni minds. It's wonderful. When you put faces to names, to writings, it's a whole new dimension. For the most part, everyone is kind and real. Sadly, not always. As I mentioned, this has been one of my life's toughest, most painful lesson. But it's all good, as the kids say. ;--) after 8 years, Im still here, and the lovely ones that I have grown to know and love and yea, even trust, make up for any of the shadows of the past. His audacity to remain on the list baffles me to this day. But that's just me talking, spilling onto the streets. It's what I do, and believe me, I try not to. And so it is. much love to all you lovely Festers and do put up some piccys and stories soon. waiting for you, Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:04:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Cookbook Jerry Notaro >>I can't imagine anyone giving theirs away.>> Lindsay >Maybe it was Joni . ; )> Hey now. If Joni passed hers along it would probably go to her parent's collection. The Seller is also selling a yearbook from New Hampshire. If a Buyer isn't on the JMDL when they buy it, I'm sure they'd find some kindred spirits in the JMDL stories. Maybe it would bring a newbie to the list, right? npimh: "What does Siquomb mean?" It doesn't matter how they find the pew, as long as they are in church. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:34:41 +0100 (BST) From: JEFF HANKINS Subject: Fwd: [UKJonifest2008] UK JoniFest Note: forwarded message attached. X-Apparently-To: jeffhankins@btinternet.com via 87.248.114.53; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:33:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.163.169.49] Authentication-Results: mta839.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) Received: from 66.163.169.49 (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta839.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:33:23 +0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=g+aOJpKmHzaTqKQr7gS+jS8k7ZsAtU6xu1tHfKUoW18qJ/3P+Zfx5ncUFn31B+SYtV3+ 4R3HkkFUfxS4pbdnR4mq5qiGhcgMEXeCYI1cJo2Tu+i7ViMq97+ySjSA+yuH; Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.109] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 22250159-m199 X-Sender: jeffhankins@btinternet.com X-Apparently-To: UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44886 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 00:33:00 -0000 To: UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.159.240.192 From: "Jeff Hankins" X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff396464 Sender: UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com; contact UKJonifest2008-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:32:57 -0000 Subject: [UKJonifest2008] UK JoniFest Reply-To: UKJonifest2008@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 5865 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain A great weekend and a thousand thanks must go to Lucy (who totally lives up to her queenly title) for making it happen, and for her good-humoured and unflappable management of the whole weekend, ably partnered by equally unflappable (and uncomplaining) John. As long-term incorrigible lurker and total newbie I felt initially like a gatecrasher at a party of folks whose friendship had been forged and nurtured over years of gatherings and close correspondance...but such was the warmth and welcome of all the attendees that that awkwardness quickly dissipated, and I felt nothing but a heartening acceptance and inclusiveness from everyone. The music was wonderful : riotously fun at times, inexhaustible in its varety and energy, heartbreakingly beautiful on occasion. The highlights were too many to mention (though I can't resist the effort of trying!!): oh, everything absolutely everything Dave & Robin touched, Midaslike; Barry's outstanding musicianship; he and Delene's polished performances (loved their BSN); Henning & Christina's wonderful celebration of the early stuff; getting to sing a few times with Christina (oh what privilege and thrill); Les Ross's spine tinglingly beautiful performances (especially 'Yvette'); the marathon Beatles-medley; Donna's passionate renditions; Anita's moving heart-shared sets; Bob's memorably joyous 'like a Rolling Stone'; Patrick's great great set of 4 songs new to me; Lucy's beautiful strong folky-voice (the unaccompanied ones were achingly gorgeous); Laurent's lovely song- choices and generous invitations to vocalists; Adriano & Licia's lump-in-the-throat final night renditions - so moving ; the 4 O'clockers' hilarious circle of bawdy folk songs and sea shanties; discovering that some of the best voices (Garret, Chris)had been kept till the end- crafty swines!!! What else? oh, the kind appreciation of my own efforts; the joy of bashing away at various forms of percussion, of singing out of tune harmonies without being told to shut up; the freely flowing liquid sustenance... But the fest was more than the sum of its parts, more than the music even: I feel I want to mention Lieve's sharp but gentle wit, Steph's patient spirit (and the ability to read while Rome proverbially burnt upin rock'n'roll); Oddmund's infectiously enthusiastic energy; Bene (my partner in The Lost Earring Band!)for the engaging warmth of her conversation and involvement; Bob for his tears (lager- assisted?); Chris (again) for uncomplaining microphone adjustment etc; and my fellow countryman Mike for being such a nice guy and (I hope) a new friend. Well the guy who got me there (yes you Mr van Tiel)promised me beforehand I'd meet all the friends I'd ever need.And cor blimey I think he might be right. I hope so: I can't promise I'll ever be more than a shadowy lurker in the jmdl...but I really did feel I'd met 23 extraordinary people I'd be proud (and humbled)to have as friends. For which, great and heartfelt gratitude... really! Jeff ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #150 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe