From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #105 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 12 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 105 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: DED [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: DED ["Marion Leffler" ] The story behind.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: DED [Susan E McNamara ] Joni the confessional songwriter? [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Joni the confessional songwriter? ["Randy Remote" ] Joni Covers 102 - Cursed! [Bob Muller ] and the seasons go round and round VLJC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: The story behind.... ["T Peckham" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:39:41 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: DED Yeah, Craig. DED is special to me because it is really when I started to notice Joni. I had listened to and owned albums before that one but I guess I felt DED was speaking to my generation (was that X or Y?). I guess you could replace Ethiopia with any number of countries now. Ethiopia still applies too. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Eritrea, Rwanda, Sudan. Take your pick. The song is not only about Ethiopia but about our desensitisation of these situations. TV news can bring us closer to what is happening in the world but they are commentaries and a particular perspective. They are coloured views and filmed for dramatic effect, often with sappy music behind it. That's what struck me about the song, Ethiopia the most. I never listened to it as Joni's news broadcast. It was her anger at how the media presents tragedy that got my attention. Mark in Sydney PS Marion, have a lovely Winter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:42:14 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: DED oops, sorry Mark, for being so thoughtless! Of course it isn't summer everywhere in the world, so whatever season you are in wherever you are (forgive my poor knowledge of geography) I hope you all enjoy it! And Mark, Australian spring will soon arrive as sure as the autumns leaves will soon be falling here in Sweden, so if winter is not to your liking, have faith:-) - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 11 juli 2008 09:40 Till: cactustreemotel@gmail.com Kopia: JMDL Dmne: Re: DED Yeah, Craig. DED is special to me because it is really when I started to notice Joni. I had listened to and owned albums before that one but I guess I felt DED was speaking to my generation (was that X or Y?). I guess you could replace Ethiopia with any number of countries now. Ethiopia still applies too. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Eritrea, Rwanda, Sudan. Take your pick. The song is not only about Ethiopia but about our desensitisation of these situations. TV news can bring us closer to what is happening in the world but they are commentaries and a particular perspective. They are coloured views and filmed for dramatic effect, often with sappy music behind it. That's what struck me about the song, Ethiopia the most. I never listened to it as Joni's news broadcast. It was her anger at how the media presents tragedy that got my attention. Mark in Sydney PS Marion, have a lovely Winter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: The story behind.... I was just curious after coming across this tidbit again--Joni throwing a drink in Jann (or is it Jan) Wenner's face (from Rolling Stone)? What is the story behind that? Why'd Joni throw a drink at Jann? - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:40:33 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: DED Hey Craig, I was listening to Dog Eat Dog this week. I was really getting into Good Friends. Impossible Dreamer is probably in my top 10 of favorite Joni songs. Ethiopia was never one of my favorites but the bridge is so beautiful "Little garden planet ..." I love that. Plus who else would have the balls to hire Rod Steiger for a song than our Joni? :-) Seeya, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ http://www.jmdl.com/guitar http://www.cloudheights.blogspot.com "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:25:38 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: DED This album rocks my world (good 80's term). I've found myself listening to it more now, trying to not to be a pessimist. But I would like to hear responses on does this album some 23 years later speak to you more now then it did when it was release? Change the name.... Ethiopia with _________? Just wondering? I've got a flight to catch for the fourth day in a row...shit...shit... Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:29:31 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Joni the confessional songwriter? On the same topic - From the Mojo interview.................................... To be called a 'confessional writer' is repugnant to me, snaps Joni Mitchell. "The term makes what I do seem cheap and gimmicky. 'Confession' to me is having a gun stuck to your head or going ... not what I do. If someone calls me a confessional writer, it is ignorant and insulting." On an otherwise lovely southern California afternoon on the outdoor patio of a restaurant in the upscale Los Angeles area known as ... one of the architects of the confessional school of songwriting has caused her to go on the offensive. "What did I ever confess to?" she demands. "Name one of my songs that was confessional!" ========================================== Confession to me however, means a story of or as of one's life experiences, revealing faults and/or guilt and confidential personal details. So I would say that I think that "River" may be one of the most confessional songs that I have ever heard; "Lesson in Survival" is another.. While I would not label Joni as confessional - I would certainly say that her music during certain periods was very confessional. And I don't understand why she would think this is ignorant or insulting. I think its honest ,real and pure myself................Stewart? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:39:17 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni the confessional songwriter? > on the offensive. "What did I ever confess to?" she demands. "Name one of > my songs that was confessional!" Okay...most of FTR, Blue and LOTC, WTRF...oh don't make me list them all.....Joni, you are a funny chicka! RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:25:39 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: The story behind.... Because he's a petulant misogynist little troll? :-P Sorry, it was just the first thing that came to mind. I don't recall the specifics of this particular incident--no doubt someone else will--but Joni had a long-running feud with Mr. Wenner after the mag ran a family tree sort of depiction of her love affairs with other musicians. (Which I've never seen, BTW. As a teenager in small-town Wisconsin, it was a miracle the drugstore carried RS at all, and the few copies they had got bought up quickly, and this was one I missed.) I also seem to recall that Joni joined forces--literally?--with the Eagles in a grudge match softball game against RS staffers. Or am I imagining that?? Aw jeez, now I gotta go try to look it all up! Thanks a lot, Monika! :-D :-) Terra On 7/11/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > I was just curious after coming across this tidbit again--Joni throwing a > drink in Jann (or is it Jan) Wenner's face (from Rolling Stone)? What is > the > story behind that? Why'd Joni throw a drink at Jann? > -Monika > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers 102 - Cursed! I've been trying to get the link for Covers Volume 102 out for 2 days now and for some reason nothing is getting sent to smoe. Here's the link to Volume 102: http://tinyurl.com/6s4yml I'll write more about it this weekend, I just want to see if this shows up on the list first. I think that Smurf put the hoodoo on me or something. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Overdrive" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: and the seasons go round and round VLJC Hello Marion. Welcome back from your holiday. I'm very envious. I still dream of one day going to Germany. Sweden too for that matter. I have just had a guest staying with me from Brazil (where it is also Winter but nowhere near as cold as Sydney). It was his first time in Australia. I took a week off work to play Tour Guide. We had a wonderful time. I wish it was longer because he only got to see Sydney. We did take a drive up into the Blue Mountains to spend the day however. I know the best places to take tourists. He had an amazed look on his face the whole time. The canyons and valleys up there are quite a sight. I took him to excellent sites around the harbour where the view is panoramic. We also went to the new Apple store (second largest in the world) and to the Lindt Chocolate Cafe (only one in the world). I love to have guests from overseas because I do things that I think about but never get to. I have been intending to go to the Opera House to see the Sydney Symphony Orchestra for a long time but never got around to it. We went on Friday night and it was a wonderful experience. Very elegant. I'm no expert in symphony orchestras but, I was transfixed. It was only my second time to see a show at the Sydney Opera House. The first time was about 20 years ago to see the Sydney Dance Company. I wish I had the chance to see Joni's only performance there. Sydney is very chilly at the moment. This is the coldest time of the year. Although it doesn't snow in Sydney, it does around the edges and there have been falls in the mountains and the western plains and the winds blow over Sydney. I think my guest might have expected a similar Winter to Brazil. His city (Belo Horizonte) is about 10 degrees warmer than Sydney. He did not bring appropriate clothing. Luckily, I was able to help him out. He gave me a Brazilian CD. Bebel Gilberto. I was already aware of her music and actually had some. He speaks a little Spanish so I played him the clip of Roxana Amed's Spanish cover of Amelia. He was able to understand most of the lyrics. Have a lovely Summer in Lund. The same goes for everyone in the Northern Hemisphere. For those of us in the South, keep warm and enjoy the Winter wonderland. Mark in Sydney NP Growing Up - Peter Gabriel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:26:10 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Joni the confessional songwriter? > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:51:34 -0700 > From: motitan75@yahoo.com > Subject: Joni the confessional songwriter? > To: joni@smoe.org > > It is often said that Joni is or was a confessional songwriter, which in > essence has no sort of connotation whatsoever. It can't be deemed positive or > negative. It is a writing style in which one derives material based on > personal experience. Seems simple enough, right? > Well, back in the day (70's or so) Joni basically nodded in agreement that > she was a confessional songwriter, particularly during Blue. I've read > interviews where she's down with that title. How come more recently, say > nowadays, she shuns the title? In one of her most recent interviews she said > she was never a confessional songwriter--that confessional songwriting is like > saying, "ooh I need to confess this, forgive me." That isn't word for word > what she said but it is along the same lines. Anyway, my question to you is, > why does Joni reject that idea now? > -Mon I'd like to know that as well... It's like denying that the sun is hot... Of course Joni's songs are confessional, at least some of them are... sure, they may not be completly autobiographical, but certainly many of them are confessional, paticularly the songs on "Blue", "For the Roses"," Court and spark" and "Hejira"... _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:40:38 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: The story behind.... Hi Ann, I grew up in a Mississippi rivertown, Prairie du Chien, spent time on and off in Madison (where I am currently), and my brother and his family all llve in Milwaukee and environs. I think I might have been in Sheboygan exactly once in my life, when my band played the area back in the late 70s. I think I spotted someone else on the list with Wisconsin roots, but I can't recall whom--? I should add to my previous comment that I think Joni was named "Old Lady of the Year" or somesuch in that long-ago RS article. I'd have thrown more than a drink. ;-) Terra On 7/11/08, ann jensen wrote: > > just see that you grew up in wisconsin - i'm from sheboygan > now in milw - before that madison - you? > ann > > > > > Because he's a petulant misogynist little troll? :-P > > > > Sorry, it was just the first thing that came to mind. I > > don't recall the > > specifics of this particular incident--no doubt someone > > else will--but Joni > > had a long-running feud with Mr. Wenner after the mag ran a > > family tree sort > > of depiction of her love affairs with other musicians. > > (Which I've never > > seen, BTW. As a teenager in small-town Wisconsin, it was a > > miracle the > > drugstore carried RS at all, and the few copies they had > > got bought up > > quickly, and this was one I missed.) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #105 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe