From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 10 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Twisted [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Twisted [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Twisted [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Twisted ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Twisted [Em ] When Joni Met Leonard (Toronto Star) ["Barbara Stewart" ] Re: Shine book by Joni? ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Shine book by Joni? ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Shine book by Joni? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Shine book by Joni? [Jeannie ] Joni and Leonard ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity" [anon anon ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #72 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni & Terry Gross & Fresh Aire [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni & Terry Gross & Fresh Aire [Bob Muller ] Re: Twisted [Deb Messling ] Re: Twisted ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity" ["Mark Scott" Subject: Twisted What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? Originally, I didn't like the song and thought it almost interrupted Court and Spark or more or less felt like it was an afterthought. Recently, I went back to it to give it another shot and I find myself enjoying it. It really is a fun, jazzy song...takes some of Joni's "melancholic damsel in distress" image away, right? I'm referring to her comment in the latest interview that has been put up in the JMDL library dating back to '83. How does it compare to the original? And of course, who would ever think Joni Mitchell would have Cheech and Chong on a song! Classic! -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:44:14 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Twisted Annie Ross's original was released on a Wardell Gray record. It's his solo-from the late 40s, I think-to which the words were written. My own opinion is that if JM had recorded it in, say, 1979, it would have been a lot better. During the intervening years, she was deeply involved with jazz and jazz players. DAVID LAHM **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:46:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Twisted I felt the same way you did, Monica. I was so familiar with Bette Midler's cover of the song, I didn't really enjoy it on C&S. Then after listening to C&S over and over, I started liking Joni's take on it. Since Bob gave birth to his cover project, I've heard several jazz artists attempt "Twisted". Some are okay, but many are horrible. I'm not sure if I've ever heard Annie Ross sing it, but to me, the best cover is from Bette or Joni. Jimmy In a message dated 6/9/2008 9:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motitan75@yahoo.com writes: > What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? Originally, I didn't like > the song and thought it almost interrupted Court and Spark or more or less felt > like it was an afterthought. ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:53:16 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Twisted I always loved Joni's cover of Twisted. I never thought about it when I was younger but my "thunderhead of judgment" now sees the tongue-in-cheek Twisted as being deliberately positioned after "Trouble Child", which is an obviously much heavier song written almost from a "Woman of Heart and Mind" perspective dealing with essentially the same topic, those that exhibit "behavioral health problems" and unable to fit it or function in a socially appropriate manner for one reason or another in the milieus of their day. Even with "Trouble Child" she cannot refrain from an occasional line revealing her dislike for then (and now) accepted "norms" for behavioral health care - the-no-need-for-explanation"they're friends and they're foes too" and "the peacock is afraid to parade, he's under the thumb of the maid" which to me speaks to individuality, freedom, and creativity stiffled because it is somehow inappropriate in the framework of that time. Twisted is light-hearted, comical, upbeat, and refreshing following on the heels of the somber "Trouble Child". At first listen it seems catchy and amusing, however, I feel it was Joni's way of indirectly (by not composing the music and by the lyrics themselves) - indeed she would tackle social commentary more directly later much to the chagrin of the star stoking machinery of the recording industry - questioning accepted norms of behavioral health care during their time in which they all professed to be on the "cutting edge", they still do btw - "they all laughed at Edison and also at Einstein...so why should I be sorry if they just couldn't understand..." Anyways I think the Just Like This Train, Raised on Robbery, and Twisted on a superficial level give C&S many moments of levity, which perhaps in some part is why it is her most successful "popular" album to date. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? Originally, I didn't like > the song and thought it almost interrupted Court and Spark or more or less > felt like it was an afterthought. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Twisted I find it irritating. My shortcoming, I'm sure. :::shrug::: Em - --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Twisted > To: "Joni people!" > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 9:00 AM > What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:32:59 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: When Joni Met Leonard (Toronto Star) Opinion 1967: When Joni met Leonard Martin Knelman TorontoStar 626 words 9 June 2008 The Toronto Star ONT AA08 English Copyright (c) 2008 The Toronto Star Leonard Cohenand Joni Mitchell are both making high-profile appearances in Toronto this week. It won't, alas, be a case of "together again at last," but still, I doubt whether any other coincidence could prompt as strong an outpouring of happy memories for those who recall the mid-1960s as the golden age of pop culture. That was an era when Yorkville was about artists, coffee houses, guitars and sandals rather than exclusive boutiques, condos and five-star hotels. Among the outstanding performers was a girl from Saskatoon who grew up as Roberta Joan Anderson, but became Joni Mitchell when she married her performing partner, Chuck Mitchell. She was a composer as well as a singer, and the marriage ended as it became clear audiences were more keen on her than him. Leonard Cohen was then a talented young Montreal poet and novelist - until in 1967 he changed his career path by recording his first album, in which he sang his own material, including several songs that the great movie director Robert Altman chose to set the tone for his 1971 masterpiece, McCabe and Mrs. Miller. For Cohen as well as Mitchell, Toronto played a pivotal career-making role. It was the base of Jack McClelland, czar of McClelland & Stewart, who almost single-handedly created CanLit, and turned Cohen into a literary star by publishing his work. Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen were both blazingly original talents on the verge of breaking into American mainstream culture. Indeed, both would eventually settle in Los Angeles and remain there for decades. They got together around the time they were emerging as two of the world's greatest living songwriters. The fascinating story of their brief romance is told in Sheila Weller's current bestseller Girls Like Us. Judy Collins, an established singer, had heard from a mutual friend that she should hear the songs Joni was writing. Collins, getting ready to drive from New York to the 1967 Newport Folk Festival, invited Mitchell along for the ride. That trip led to the breakthrough Collins recordings of "Both Sides Now" and other songs written by Joni Mitchell. And in Newport Collins introduced Mitchell to Cohen, then acclaimed for his poetry collection The Spice-Box of the Earth and his novel Beautiful Losers. These two brilliant young Canadian writer-performers began a love affair that lasted only weeks but had consequences way beyond the personal. "No other brief relationship in her life would produce as many fine songs," Weller writes. The evidence: In "Rainy Night House," Mitchell portrays herself as a naive girl in a church choir smitten with a cultural guru, referring to Cohen in the lyric: "You are a holy man/On the FM radio." And one of her signature songs, "A Case of You," has the great line: "I could drink a case of you and still be on my feet." By Weller's reckoning, that refers half to Cohen and half to James Taylor, another discarded lover. Tonight Cohen gives the last of his four concerts at the Sony Centre. Mitchell will arrive Thursday for two Luminato events - her visual art show called Green Flag Song (at CTV Queen Street) and the Toronto premiere of Albert Ballet's The Fiddle and the Drum, inspired by Mitchell's 1985 album Dog Eat Dog. These two are ships in the night, but I dream about a joint concert in which Cohen and Mitchell would appear as a duo, singing one another's songs, especially the ones in which one of them was inspired by the other. It would be the perfect way to look at both sides now. from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Shine book by Joni? What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss something? I was looking for another book and saw this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:09:58 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? Quoting Laura Stanley : > What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss > something? I was looking for another book and saw this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 > It's a song book. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:12:25 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? Somebody got it for their birthday. Reviews? 2008/6/9 Laura Stanley : > What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss something? I was looking for another book and saw this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? Looks like the print music from the cd release. Jerry Laura Stanley wrote: > What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss something? > I was looking for another book and saw this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:32:58 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? I had not seen this either. Released at the end of March, the publisher says: "The album-matching folio to Shine includes all songs, carefully arranged in piano vocal format with guitar chords, including Joni's alternate tunings which are so critical to her guitar fans." Since there are so many piano songs, the big question is, how good are the transcriptions? RR From: "Laura Stanley" > What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss something? > I was looking for another book and saw this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? I read the Amazon.com book review written by a gentleman from London and he is so darn gracious with his words. Beautiful! I would hope he would be a JMDLer. Man, that boy, Nick Drake, from London, hit the shiny nail with the shining hammer from way deep inside of his soul, painting with his pretty and truthful words, describing Joni's 'Shine.' Everybody's little light truly, truly matters is all I can think and it makes me smile and now I feel like getting out of my cave to go out and shine as best as I can. Thanks, Joni! And I can't help but shed a few happy tears. :~)::::::::::::: jeannie ~nj~ - --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > From: Jamie's Box of Paints > Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? > To: "Laura Stanley" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:12 AM > Somebody got it for their birthday. Reviews? > > 2008/6/9 Laura Stanley : > > What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did > I miss something? I was looking for another book and saw > this: > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 > > > > > > -- > I am a lonely Painter > I live in a Box of Paints > I'm frightened by the devil > But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... > > Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at > > http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > > acting CV and showreel at > http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 > > http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk > href="http://www.facebook.com/p/Jamie_Zubairi/507811540">Facebook > me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:20:05 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni and Leonard Thanks Barbara for the article. Now we all know which songs Joni wrote or supposedly wrote about her relationship with Leonard but what about him? Do any of Cohen's songs refer to his romance with Joni? The article seems to imply this. Marion, who has just moved to another apartment and is busy unpacking ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:47:27 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity" > From: loveuconn@hotmail.com> To: joni@smoe.org> Subject: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity"> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:12:57 +0000> I'm happy I finally found out who Dora and Betsy are... now, I'd like to know more about Chicky and Ron and Lead foot melvin... maybe someone can write a short story about them and Joni? _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_s kydrive_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:27:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Shine book by Joni? I got this for my Birthday. I have not a spent alot of time with it but I can tell you that it does not have tabs for all the gtr songs. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 9, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: What is this? Has it been discussed on the list? Did I miss something? I was looking for another book and saw this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739051032/ref=s9int_c6_img1-rfc_p-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5DJBKT46B5V7Z5HJ65&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=371408701&pf_rd_i=507846 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:05:01 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #72 For people who like to keep up with Joni references ... NPR's Fresh Air from May 1 is with Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova. Marketa, from Eastern Europe, was speaking about growing up in home filled with music and mentions hearing her parent's music and specifically mentions Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen. This interview is terrific (as is everything that Terry Gross does). I would love Terry to interview Joni. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni & Terry Gross & Fresh Aire She did. I suppose you want to hear it? Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Cottonseed" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:30:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni & Terry Gross & Fresh Aire https://download.yousendit.com/A12475D4470EE429 Fresh Air broadcast of October 20, 2004 - Terry Gross and Joni, promoting Dreamland & The Beginning of Survival. As with most of this Joni audio, big ups to Simon for snagging it and passing it along in the first place. Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Cabron" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:55:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Twisted I liked the song when I first heard it and I was tickled that Joni was trying something so different. I bought the Lambert Hendricks and Ross album on Joni's say-so, and I decided I liked the original better. It's faster and jazzier. At 09:00 AM 6/9/2008, you wrote: > What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? Originally, I > didn't like the song and thought it almost interrupted Court and > Spark or more or less felt like it was an afterthought. Recently, > I went back to it to give it another shot and I find myself > enjoying it. It really is a fun, jazzy song...takes some of Joni's > "melancholic damsel in distress" image away, right? I'm referring > to her comment in the latest interview that has been put up in the > JMDL library dating back to '83. > How does it compare to the original? And of course, who would > ever think Joni Mitchell would have Cheech and Chong on a song! Classic! > -Monika - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:14:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Twisted Joni has often cited Lambert, Hendricks and (Annie) Ross as one of her early favorites. 'Centerpiece' from 'Harry's House' is another L, H & R song. 'Twisted' is an example of vocalese, setting lyrics to what was written as an instrumental solo. LH&R did this with entire jazz ensemble pieces in their albums 'Sing a Song of Basie' and 'Sing a Song of Ellington.' On the Basie album they overdubbed their voices to approximate entire instrumental sections of Count Basie's band. Annie Ross's falsetto could hit sharp, quick, piercingly high notes that sounded just like a trumpet being played at the top of a virtuoso player's range. I think there are elements of Annie Ross's original in both Bette Midler's and Joni's versions even though they are very different. I have always liked both Joni & Bette's takes on it. After listening to Court & Spark for quite a few years, I have come to regard 'Twisted' as a humorous coda to the very serious 'Trouble Child'. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: Twisted > What do you think of Joni's cover of Twisted? Originally, I didn't > like the song and thought it almost interrupted Court and Spark or > more or less felt like it was an afterthought. Recently, I went > back to it to give it another shot and I find myself enjoying it. > It really is a fun, jazzy song...takes some of Joni's "melancholic > damsel in distress" image away, right? I'm referring to her comment > in the latest interview that has been put up in the JMDL library > dating back to '83. > How does it compare to the original? And of course, who would > ever think Joni Mitchell would have Cheech and Chong on a song! > Classic! > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:20:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity" Lead Foot Melvin with his hotwire head What a great line that is. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "anon anon" To: "Patti Parlette" ; Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: RE: Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity" >> From: loveuconn@hotmail.com> To: joni@smoe.org> Subject: Mama and >> Betsy say > "Find yourself a charity"> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:12:57 +0000> > I'm happy I finally found out who Dora and Betsy are... now, I'd > like to > know more about Chicky and Ron and Lead foot melvin... maybe someone > can write > a short story about them and Joni? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. > http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_s > kydrive_062008 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #73 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe