From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 056 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Empty, try another and Money [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Empty, try another and Money [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: more on joni's ballet [Laura Stanley ] Dubya meets Joni [Bob Muller ] sjc? I saw a falling star burn up [Patti Parlette ] Re: Dubya meets Joni [Victor Johnson ] Re: Dubya meets Joni [Jeannie ] Thoughts From Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni [Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Empty, try another and Money Hi Bene. Just listen to the opening of Welcome To The Machine. I guess Pink Floyd were really into machine sounds at that time. The machine sound in the opening of Welcome To The Machine sounds exactly like the cigarette machine at the beginning of Joni's, Empty, Try Another. I dunno, maybe it's just my ears or maybe it a coincidence. It got me thinking of Joni while I was listening to Pink Floyd (I find I'm often comparing lyrical styles to Joni's) and thought, Pink Floyd were trying to say a lot of the same things Joni is on about. Mark in Sydney On 23/05/2008, at 7:06 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Mark, > > you ask about 'Empty, try another' and a Pink Floyd song called > 'Welcome to the machine' which I didn't know, but your post > immediately reminded me of their Money, where the opening theme, and > what sets the rhythm for the rest of the song, is the sound of a cash > register ringing, money being thrown in and the receipt being torn > off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE > > For a moment I thought you must have mistaken the two, but seeing that > you were NPing welcome to the machine at the time you wrote the post I > guess not. I have idea who influenced who, but just wanted to say > that this song sounds very related as well. > > Just listening to Money now. Amazing how it is completely grounded and > spaced out at the same time. > > Hope all is well in Sydney! > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:48:45 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Empty, try another and Money Ah! I finally found a YouTube version where the machine sounds are there! I get it now, I haven't got the record, an I was only able to find versions on the internet that begin were the guitar begins (beautifully I would like to add!). I think it is true that a musician will often hear music in all kinds of environments - the Tom Waits interview we discussed the other day seemed to say that - and intoductions to poetry and metre always mention as the most fundamental things our heart-beat and foot-steps in response to the question of where rhythm comes from. But I also think it is true that there was a fascination with machines at the time, just think of Kraftwerk. Welcome to the Machine, Money, Empty try another all deal with the industrialized society and all seem to have a fairly bleak vision of it. Sometimes it seems like the eighties were equally fascinated and abhorred by the brave new technological world, I find that quite intriguing. What an interesting thread you started here! Bene On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Bene. Just listen to the opening of Welcome To The Machine. I guess Pink > Floyd were really into machine sounds at that time. The machine sound in the > opening of Welcome To The Machine sounds exactly like the cigarette machine > at the beginning of Joni's, Empty, Try Another. I dunno, maybe it's just my > ears or maybe it a coincidence. It got me thinking of Joni while I was > listening to Pink Floyd (I find I'm often comparing lyrical styles to > Joni's) and thought, Pink Floyd were trying to say a lot of the same things > Joni is on about. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 23/05/2008, at 7:06 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> you ask about 'Empty, try another' and a Pink Floyd song called >> 'Welcome to the machine' which I didn't know, but your post >> immediately reminded me of their Money, where the opening theme, and >> what sets the rhythm for the rest of the song, is the sound of a cash >> register ringing, money being thrown in and the receipt being torn >> off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE >> >> For a moment I thought you must have mistaken the two, but seeing that >> you were NPing welcome to the machine at the time you wrote the post I >> guess not. I have idea who influenced who, but just wanted to say >> that this song sounds very related as well. >> >> Just listening to Money now. Amazing how it is completely grounded and >> spaced out at the same time. >> >> Hope all is well in Sydney! >> >> Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:53:26 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: jonimention in word For the list-maniacs among you, The Word's May issue has a list of the best and worst opening lyrics of all. Pretty inane, but they include the opening lines of Edith and the Kingpin and add "There are Hollywood movies with less interesting intros than this". I don't see how that qualifies as praise, but never mind. The few times I've bought this magazine I've noticed that they tend to name-drop Joni. Bn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:40:54 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Jonimention in Into the Wild I watched Into the Wild yesterday, directed by Sean Penn, and thought it was very well done. Strange to think that it all started around the corner from where I live...it definitely makes you think. Anyway, the main character, Chris aka Alexander Supertramp, is hanging out with some hippy friends he had met out west. There was a young girl who had sung the night before at an open mic thing, so Chris' older hippy friend says, "You oughtta go talk to our little Joni Mitchell over there." I guess in a way, it's kind of cool that she immediately comes to mind when there's a girl with a guitar. I can't think of anyone else who has such notoriety. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: more on joni's ballet Mags posted: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/theatre/story/2008/03/10/alberta-ballet.html Thanks Mags. Now being so familiar with Shine... thinking about sitting in the audience hearing it and watching the ballet really excites me. I WANT TO SEE THIS BALLET!!!!!!!!!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Dubya meets Joni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QDNUHrfx0 "Raised On Robbery" is an inspired choice. Explicit language warning applies... Bob NP: U2, "One Tree Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:11:44 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc? I saw a falling star burn up "Scientists witness start of star's explosive death By SETH BORENSTEIN | AP Science Writer 4:21 AM EDT, May 22, 2008 WASHINGTON - In a stroke of cosmic luck, astronomers for the first time witnessed the start of one of the universe's most fiery events: the end of a star's life as it exploded into a supernova. On Jan. 9, astronomers used a NASA X-ray satellite to spy on a star already well into its death throes, when another star in the same galaxy started to explode. The outburst was 100 billion times brighter than Earth's sun. The scientists were able to get several ground-based telescopes to join in the early viewing and the first results were published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. "It's like winning the astronomy lottery," said lead author Alicia Soderberg, an astrophysics researcher at Princeton University. "We caught the whole thing from start-to-finish on tape." Another scientist, University of California at Berkeley astronomy professor Alex Filippenko, called it a "very special moment because this is the birth, in a sense, of the death of a star." And what a death blast it is. "As much energy is released in one second by the death of a star as by all of the other stars you can see in the visible universe," Filippenko said. Less than 1 percent of the stars in the universe will die this way, in a supernova, said Filippenko, who has written a separate paper awaiting publication. Most stars, including our sun, will get stronger and then slowly fade into white dwarfs, what Filippenko likes to call "retired stars," which produce little energy. The first explosion of this supernova can only be seen in the X-ray wave length. It was spotted by NASA's Swift satellite, which looks at X-rays, and happened to be focused on the right region, Soderberg said. The blast was so bright it flooded the satellite's instrument, giving it a picture akin to "pointing your digital camera at the sun," she said. The chances of two simultaneous supernovae explosions so close to each other is maybe 1 in 10,000, Soderberg said. The odds of looking at them at the right time with the right telescope are, well, astronomical." ******* I just hope it wasn't the peace star! ; ) Maybe it was the Northern star. (Where's that at?) NPIMH: "Starbright, starbright, you got the lovin' that I like all right..." and lots of other Joni songs with the stars and the clouds to read.... We are stardust. We're just particles of change, I know, I know. xo, pp, orbiting around the sun _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:11:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Dubya meets Joni In a message dated 5/23/2008 10:55:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QDNUHrfx0 > That's too funny, Bob. I love the morphed head of George on the woman's body. Where do you find these things? LOL Happy Friday Everyone! Jimmy ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Dubya meets Joni My favorite part was Bush carrying "Presidency for Dummies." Looks like he probably still hasn't finished it.... -Monika Bob Muller wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QDNUHrfx0 "Raised On Robbery" is an inspired choice. Explicit language warning applies... Bob NP: U2, "One Tree Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:13:35 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Dubya meets Joni Hilarious! I needed a good laugh and this definitely provided several. Also, I love the "Treasures of Joni Mitchell" and can't stop listening to it. Glad I was able to get in on that first run. Victor NP: BYT "Just Like Me" On May 23, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QDNUHrfx0 > "Raised On Robbery" is an inspired choice. > Explicit language warning applies... > Bob > NP: U2, "One Tree Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Dubya meets Joni :)) It's hilarious, Bob! I hope this you-tube video takes a tour all over the world. Shine on Bush, Cheney and all their humpty-dumpty crooks who were raised on robbery since their birth, busy talking from their assholes from on top of dumb-fuck mountain to the rear of Capital Hill. And they'll be be splattering down dumb-fuck mountain when they fall down hard like rotten, putrid squirmy eggs! Jean Bob Muller wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QDNUHrfx0 "Raised On Robbery" is an inspired choice. Explicit language warning applies... Bob NP: U2, "One Tree Hill" ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Thoughts From Bo Hi Joni People! Want to wish you and your family and friends a safe and great Memorial Day. I heard a gentleman of NPR this morning. His story had a tremendous impact on me. The son of this man, who recently had become a widower, came to stay with his dad shortly after his mother's death. Apparently his dad didn't share much about himself throughout his son's life. The son saw an ever growing supply of coffee cans in his father's garage and asked his dad what they were for....his father responded with "never you mind...this is my house". Then as Memorial Day grew closer, the father asked his son to buy as many silk flowers as possible (probably he put some limit on that) and the son did so and then observed his father decorating each coffee can. On Memorial Day the father requested that his son accompany him to the cemetery. And his son watched as his father began putting the beautifully decorated coffee cans on some graves other than his wife's grave (turned out to be many graves). Of course, he began with his wife. But then he continued and began putting his creations on many graves...and as he did, after his son questioned who were all these people his father answered with what became the major and minor events of his life.....for a kind neighbor who taught him how to drive and at each grave he told his son why he was paying tribute to so many people he encountered throughout his life. His son made one comment; "this was such a wonderful way to learn about my dad's life and also about his values and compassion. This really touched me and I want to share this with all the Joni people on our list. Welcome to to T. Peckman and Gregg Cagno!!! Well, I'm an Idol fan and I really enjoyed this season. I loved the duet with Graham Nash and Brook. I loved Brook's singing style and personality throughout the season. Diana Ross??? Nope...Donna Summer!!!! And that was an unexpected surprise!!! Jimmy, I don't know how I feel about your comments on contest rules. I felt the sharing allowed the audience to understand more about the contestant, but I think I understand what you've said. One major comment....I can't imagine a JoniMitchell night. The majority of her songs are so difficult to perform. Switching gears...Bene, your comments "info being confused with knowledge, quantity confused with abundance and wealth with happiness" was so well written and so thought-out. I appreciated that you posted this. Oh...missed something I wanted to add to American Idol. I originally chose David A. and my sister selected David C. after the initial show. I loved Brook but didn't think she would win...but she stayed in the competition for longer than I imagined. I was hopping for David A. to win but can surely see why David C. won. As for the tears so many contestants wept; I feel that I could relate to all the raw emotions and thought that these were not professionals. I would have fainted and so would everyone who heard me...and I never would have made it to Hollywood!!!! I've been reading (again and again)Brian Hinton's book about Joni. On pages 118 and 119 (for those who have read this book) there was a detailed description about a man who may have been having a really rough time with the acid he took and his resulting behavior was so inappropriate and I guess disturbing to many of the people who attended the third Isle of Wight Festival. Joni remained focused on the stage floor. Then she announced " this is a song about another festival". She clarified that she wasn't one of the performers but wrote a song about it...."Woodstock". Brian Hinton said that Joni made the worst choice. I disagree completely. It was, in my opinion the best choice, certainly consistent with hopefully changing the mood of the audience. Joni has demonstrated tremendous courage on stage, especially during her continuing performances. I was at Woodstock (ten days early) on my honeymoon. When I heard Joni's "Woodstock" I was more than impressed with the lyrics and music. I plan to buy "Girls Like Us" soon, although I don't really think Joni should be included with Carly and Carole. Switching gears again.... I am so distraught about Ted Kennedy and I'm sending so many prayers for him. Again, my friends, enjoy a safe and relaxing and happy holiday. XOXO from Bo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni merk54@aol.com wrote: Just wondering if other people have a "favorite" Joni that isn't their most?played Joni. >>> same with me. my favorite is Hejira, but my most played is Court and Spark Rian who listens to FTR a lot this week ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses thanks for the replies... i never thought, really, never thought, for the roses has something to do with for the horses. rian NP. joni - FTR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:43:30 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > That's the amazing thing about the multi-layered Joni Mitchell: a person > can listen to her albums for YEARS and still, one day seemingly out of the > blue (no pun intended), notice something -- a turn of phrase, a dual > meaning, etc. -- never before noticed. I've been listening to Joni now for > 31 years and that still happens to me. I have noted the exact same thing. For instance I have been without a copy of DJRD and THOSL for some time now and received the new CD's a few days ago. I know that even though I am quite familiar with the music from both of these albums, that when I play them again (it has been awhile) and when I concentrate on the lyrics I will "get" things I hadn't previously noticed or that I interpreted otherwise. As far as TTT and works that don't get as much attention - even here on the JMDL (ranking #18 or lower in poll popularity except DED with a more impressive #12) - I'm thinking primarily the ones that would later be repackaged as "The Geffen Recordings" ...some of those were initially a disappointment to me and I just let them languish, thinking, Joni - HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?? - expecting another C&S, Hejira, etc...I simply wasn't ready for them at that moment in time. I found later that if I took them on some long journeys I made while while driving, and gave them a chance because they were so different in style, that they were brilliant each on their own merit. To this day I love DED, CMIAR, and NRH. They have some of the best of her songs. TTT was like that as well, after taking it with me and listening to it as a whole on a trip it became one of my favorites. It actually reminds me overall (not every single song) musically of Hejira more than any other album in the style in which she plays primarily her guitar with sparse accompaniments. I no longer have that wanderlust as I once did, and I probably can't afford to anyhow with the geological reality of finite reserves of fossil fuels finally being broken to the masses bit by bit at the pump or grudgingly by the MSM ("Fiction...Truth...Fiction..." ). But they were ways in which I was able to intimately connect with some of what I believe to be some of Joni's best but least "popular" works, really a preview of the message of Shine in a sense. Last Joni: Shine Favorite Joni: (A Collection) The Beginning of Survival - "heavy" prescient post-Mingus songs and a prelude to Shine Most Popular Joni: Um I don't know ... Joni Mitchell Picks Her Favorite American Idols !!! - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #56 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe