From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 23 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 055 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Matala of Joni Mitchell, Crete, April 1970 [Catherine McKay ] Empty Machine - Strange Beddfellows [Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: The Matala of Joni Mitchell, Crete, April 1970 Wow - thank you for that! It sounds like a magical place (and I think where you are now is another magical place!) I feel like I was right there with you. Thanks again! E vonAlmassy wrote: Hi All Thanks to Les who suggested that I copy and paste as the attachment was bleeped. I would welcome any feed back. Joni was there for a short time when I lived in Matala. (She was climbing down a boulder with me behind her as she left town.) I could barely say a "Bon Voyage" to her, I was so blown away by her close proximity. I never heard her sing, but I know that she did. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: more on Joni's ballet http://www.cbc.ca/arts/theatre/story/2008/03/10/alberta-ballet.html - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:52:16 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Empty Machine - Strange Beddfellows Hi gang. It occurred to me tonight while I was listening to Pink Floyd's, Wish You Were Here album how similar the opening sounds effects are on Joni's, Empty, Try Another and Pink Floyd's, Welcome To The Machine and it got me wondering if this is just a coincidence or if Joni was influenced by that effect. Obviously the two songs are very different from each other; one is playful and the other is a bitter slap at the recording industry and Pink Floyd's management which is something Joni could certainly relate to. I did read somewhere that Joni is an admirer of Pink Floyd and this was evidenced by her appearance at Roger Waters' amazing staging of, The Wall in Berlin. From that album, Blue Sky was the perfect fit for Joni and it was the highlight of that concert for me and the best guest appearance Joni has ever made (even better than The Last Waltz). Pairing her with James Gallway was another stroke of genius. I wonder how much of a fan Joni is of the Floyd and if she had any particular feelings over their split. Is it their lyrics that attracts Joni? Which lyricist does she relate to most? The burning question in my mind is, was there any influence in her style of writing from Pink Floyd? The sound effects at the start of Welcome To The Machine and Empty, Try Another are so similar, they could have been sampled from the same source. I've always found Joni's anger at the recording industry to be expressed in a very similar way to Pink Floyd. Any thoughts? Mark in Sydney NP Welcome To The Machine - Pink Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:29:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Empty Machine - Strange Beddfellows Could be, but my guess is that it's a mere coincidence; machine noise being used for effect. We all know the story from interviews...Joni the nicotine addict in the studio trying to get ciggies from the vending machine and becoming increasingly distressed at NOTHING being available, discovering a rhythm in the processing of the gears, had the recording engineer drag a microphone out to the hallway where the machine was, record it, sample it and then compose around it. Could it have been influenced by machinee noise on a Pink Floyd album? Sure, but I doubt it. Still, an interesting observation. Joni herself might not even know as we are often influenced subliminally by things that we are not even aware of. Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "We Got By" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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It is not that similar! I mean I see a similarity in expressing thoughts and feelings in both artists' music that aspires to something more. Both Joni and Pink Floyd have always been very ambitious--trying something new, something different, striving for perfection in how THEY see fit, not how the mass market sees fit. They both look at music as "art." Not every musician takes their music quite so seriously although it can be argued there of course is some humor (often missed) both in Joni's and PF's music. Both Joni Mitchell and Pink Floyd have succeeded in music going by their own standards. Neither is very commercial, yet both are successful. Neither were very interested in singles (with the exception of early Floyd with Syd Barrett who did release a few singles). Both wee more interested in the entire album. Both put an emphasis on lyrics but didn't exactly ignore the music either. Both are often forced into some genre (Joni into folk, Floyd into psychedelic music or whatever) that doesn't really fit. They both break boundaries as far as any genre of music is concerned. In fact, I often see similarities in Joni's and Roger Waters' attitudes about music and such. I see comments expressed by Waters or by Joni that I could see the other nodding their head to. I wonder what Joni and Roger Waters' conversations consisted of during the Wall in Berlin, that is if Waters had the time to chat....(afteral he was staging a huge concert with a bunch of guest musicians)? It would be interesting to know. Roger Waters, I know (I was a fan of Floyd before I was of Joni), doesn't express that much interest in other musicians' work with the exception of three fellows--John Lennon, Bob Dylan, and Neil Young. Those are the only three artists he ever says anything good about. But I would expect he must respect Joni if he asked her to perform for the Wall. -Monika Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Hi gang. I did read somewhere that Joni is an admirer of Pink Floyd and this was evidenced by her appearance at Roger Waters' amazing staging of, The Wall in Berlin. From that album, Blue Sky was the perfect fit for Joni and it was the highlight of that concert for me and the best guest appearance Joni has ever made (even better than The Last Waltz). Pairing her with James Gallway was another stroke of genius. I wonder how much of a fan Joni is of the Floyd and if she had any particular feelings over their split. Is it their lyrics that attracts Joni? Which lyricist does she relate to most? The burning question in my mind is, was there any influence in her style of writing from Pink Floyd? The sound effects at the start of Welcome To The Machine and Empty, Try Another are so similar, they could have been sampled from the same source. I've always found Joni's anger at the recording industry to be expressed in a very similar way to Pink Floyd. Any thoughts? Mark in Sydney NP Welcome To The Machine - Pink Floyd ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe