From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 7 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 039 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JoniQuiz : Clouds. ANSWERS [Rian Afriadi ] the poll : yippee!!! [Rian Afriadi ] Blender's Top50 Geniuses of Pop Music [Rian Afriadi ] Re: the poll : yippee!!! [Jerry Notaro ] Re : exploding lines [Rian Afriadi ] Carly Simon on Brooke White, SJC. but yes, joni is mentioned. [Rian Afria] Joni and birds [Patti Parlette ] clips [vincenzo mancini ] Re: Blender's Top50 Geniuses of Pop Music and Idol [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Night Of The Iguana ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Herbie - Live Set on NOW and maybe Joni [Patti Parlette ] re: Love is like a big brass band [mia _ ] Another exploding line [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Clouds artwork [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:07:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: JoniQuiz : Clouds. ANSWERS Answers plus arguments. Sorry for being sooo late. 1. c. I Don"t Know Where I Stand On the third verse : Crickets call, courting their ladies in #star-dappled green# Thickets tall, until the morning comes up like a dream 2. False. Joni won the Grammy in March 1970 for Best Folk Performance of 1969. 3. b. Fear 4. She's gotten to mysterious devotions She's gotten to the zodiac and zen She's gotten into tarot cards and potions She's laying her religion on her friends On her friends, on her friends So, (3) (5) (1) (4) (2) (6) IMHO, we can"t put zen on the same league with zodiac and tarot. And zen is actually pronounced zeng (a japanese told me). 5. d. Black 6. True. Clouds peaked at #31. Turbulent Indigo at #47 7. False. It was Judy Collins's version 8. e. That Songs About Midway (4:37) (oops... i did not put that option on the quiz) (the second longest is BSN) 9. c. It's an illusion I recall 10. c. 3 One on Clouds, one on BSN, one on Dreamland. Let's not forget Dreamland! 11. False. Clouds was not on the list. Only Blue and C&S appeared on the list. 12. d. Johnny And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend It would be hilarious if Joni changed it to Oddmund Kaarevik. And so once again My dear Oddmund Kaarevik my dear friend Or maybe Monika Bogdanowicz. (what a name!) 13. e. only the character and God and angels and satan know And I thought I saw you cheating once or twice, once or twice So, Joni herself did not know for sure. 14. (2) song outside my window (3) sun through yellow curtains (4) sun show every second (1) milk and toast and honey 15. Before Clouds, alphabetically it was Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm. Yep! Not Court And Spark or Both Sides Now. I urge Bob to listen to Dancing Clown 5 times in a row so that he won"t forget this Chalk Mark again. 16. a. TCG = The Circle Game. Appeared on LOTC. 17. d. Fiddle and The Drum 18. b. Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy Dying roses will they will their Perfumed rhapsodies to me Thanks for participating. Rian NP. Tax Free. PS. Several people sent me their answer. And as usual, Mark Scott scored highest score! Mark, you're a genuine Joni fan!!!! _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: the poll : yippee!!! yippee!!! finally Hejira, Blue, and C&S surpass FTR! (don't get me wrong. i love FTR. but i love those 3 albums more) http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm And Shine is #7! The highest ranked Joni's non-1970s album. another unique thing: DED placed higher than LOTC. rian do9eatdo9@yahoo.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Blender's Top50 Geniuses of Pop Music Sorry if already mentioned. http://www.blender.com/TheTop50GeniusesofPopMusic/articles/24670.aspx Joni's there. (of course she is!) Rian who loves lists, specially if Joni included. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:33:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: the poll : yippee!!! DED placed higher than LOTC. There's a testimony to its reliability. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re : exploding lines well, i put one of BSN verse on my university graduation book (whatever you call it... but i know you know what i mean with graduation book) rian _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 05:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Carly Simon on Brooke White, SJC. but yes, joni is mentioned. By CHARLES J. GANS  2 days ago NEW YORK (AP)  Carly Simon has more than a passing interest in this season's "American Idol" and leaves no mystery about who's her favorite remaining finalist  Brooke White. Simon was tipped to turn on the television at her home in Martha's Vineyard, Mass.., the night White won over the judges by performing her hit song "You're So Vain" during 1970s theme week. "I thought, `Oh my God, this girl is so talented and she sings the song so much better than I ever did or ever could,'" said Simon, interviewed during a rehearsal break with her band at a Manhattan studio. "I was so flattered that she chose the song and ... more than impressed. I think she should win." Simon was preparing for a showcase performance of songs from her new bossa-nova flavored album, "This Kind of Love," her first album of original new songs in eight years, which was released Tuesday. The 62-year-old singer confesses that when she watches "Idol" her motherly instincts take over and she just wants to protect the young singers from what she sees as the show's cruelest part  and it's not the comments by judge Simon Cowell whom she likes. "One thing I don't like about the show is that it turns truly sadistic when the person is voted off and they have to sing while they're crying," Simon said. "I just want to go up .... and carry them off and say, `It's OK, sweetheart, come with me.' ... I don't know how the panel can stand that cruelty. ... Doesn't that seem like being thrown to the lions?" With her legendary stage fright, Simon admits she couldn't have gone far on "Idol" if she had to perform live before a TV audience in the tens of millions. And she doubts that the other noted singer-songwriters of her generation  Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell and ex-husband James Taylor  could have gone far because they all had distinctive but untrained voices. rian _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:57:23 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni and birds Samuel needlessly apologized: (Sorry for the poor english) Cumprimentos, Samuel *** No regrets, Samuel! I had to go back and read your post a second time to see any sign at all that English is not your native language. It is very very good! I know how hard it is to master another language: I majored in French and German, and now work in a university's Department of Modern and Classical Languages where students (and foreign faculty) study language learning every day. (TIC! Life is for learning.) It's not easy. I often correct (by request, and always with heart and humor and humility) people's prepositions (one grad student calls me the "professor of prepositions"), and we laugh at how our perfection of another language will always be denied. So, Joniamigo, applause applause for YOU! And in keeping with the subject line here, and exploding lines: "Those crazy crows always making a commotion" makes me hear crows exploding with their noise. Talk about Crazy crow music! One recent morning, I was awakened much earlier than I wanted to be (the sun is ascending earlier and earlier these days), by *really* loud spring song birds outside my window, making quite a racket, and the first thing that I thought was: "Those crazy crows always making a commotion!" (even though I knew they were not crows). But, sweet birds they were, and briefer than falling stars, because they stopped after a while. ("Love must be the birds in spring Only lovers hear them sing All too soon they're on the wing...") It is quite amazing to learn/realize that Joni has birds on every single album! I got a bird that whistles I got a bird that's singin' If I don't have you darlin' Birds don't mean nothin' All atwitter, peeping away, Patti P. NPOMTV: Pat Tillman's mother Mary in patriotic pain (it takes a heart like Mary's these days) trying to shed a little light on dying soldiers NPIMH: Death and birds and death and birds _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:33:59 +0000 From: vincenzo mancini Subject: clips Raised on robbery from Old Grey Whistle Test 1974 at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3f61DXnfU see also a clip of Night of the iguana with the JM music at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bgTYhrboM Vincenzo May your skies be blue _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Blender's Top50 Geniuses of Pop Music and Idol Thanks for the link to the list, I, too, enjoy lists even though logically I realize one list is just one person's opinion so it is best not to take it all too seriously. I think so anyhow. Anyway, I wanted to comment on Carly Simon's comments on how she and her peers would have not made it far on American Idol. I agree with the exception of one person (and no not Joni). Now I don't watch American Idol (my brother does) but it is difficult to not know about it since it is thrown in your face. I understand what Carly Simon had said but I would disagree with one person she mentioned. My sister and I actually had a similar conversation (although really discrediting Idol, sorry) on who would make it and who wouldn't if you took some of music's greatest musicians/performers and put them on Idol (you know at their prime, when they were all very young since it is a show directed at youth anyhow). I think Carly is right in saying what she said except for Paul McCartney. Leave the songwriting out of this for all these people she mentioned. If you didn't leave that out, probably no one (not Joni or James or Bob Dylan or anyone) would make it on Idol. They don't want songwriters. They have a group of writers they already use. However, I do think Paul McCartney would have made it far on Idol (in a world where he's 20 something again) and I'll tell you why. First off, he's almost "safe." I mean no disrespect but American Idol doesn't try to stir up controversy in its contestants (unless something is found out). Secondly, he's got a charm to him that I think would work well on Idol. Personality counts for something in the votes. Thirdly, he'd have a massive female fan base. He did when he actually was in the Beatles and of course that would transfer to Idol. American Idol realizes not only must you be capable of singing (some kind of singing anyway), you need to be a "star." He'd have that star power. He has a certain look that would transfer to Idol. Last but not least, if he'd stretch out his vocals a bit (as he can but doesn't always do) he'd do well I would think. So, all in all, he has a look/charm/talent that I think would go well had Idol been around before. Now this isn't to say that Carly Simon or Joni wouldn't have males interested in them (I'm sure they would as they have) or James Taylor wouldn't have a female fan base (as he does) but it goes a little further than that (as that is important in American Idol). As for Dylan, he'd never make it on American Idol. There's just a certain something you need for American Idol and I think McCartney would have had it. Does any of this make any sense? However, I'll take a songwriter anyday over anyone from American Idol. I would think, it would be better to lose on that show than to win. That way, you'd have some options and you wouldn't have to be a minion if you didn't want to be. -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: clips Ooooooh, the above is from one of my favorite concerts! Looooove it. I even restarted my computer to watch these since my internet was being moody (stopping and starting and stopping and starting as far as youtube goes). Thanks for the links! -M vincenzo mancini wrote: Raised on robbery from Old Grey Whistle Test 1974 at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3f61DXnfU see also a clip of Night of the iguana with the JM music at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bgTYhrboM Vincenzo May your skies be blue _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:52:02 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Night Of The Iguana Does anyone else hear - 'The Driver's a masturbate'? I had to read the lyrics to make sure it wasn't! Much Joni Jamie Zoob I haven't seen the film but I certainly want to see it after watching the clip! Looks really intriguing - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:05:12 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Herbie - Live Set on NOW and maybe Joni Jody wrote: Sorry for the last minute notice. I just found out. Herbie is on at 9 pm eastern time on ch. 828 HD. It says Featuring Joni. **** JONI ALERT! JONI ALERT! Thanks for the alert, Jody Girl, and for trying so hard to reach everyone. I'm glad some of you got to see it. I heard my cellphone babbling in my hard-up kitchen, but didn't get to it. Thanks for calling the other line. You were so cute and frantic (TIC -- and snowblind?): "Joni on TV, right now, channel 828, right now, okay gotta go gotta go..bye"! We need to set up some kind of emergency broadcasting system for the next Joni emergency! Maybe text messaging, like colleges and universities do now when there is an emergency on campus? Although that would leave Joni and Marianne and Monika (and you know there may be more) out of the loop. No, wait. Joni would be okay, because she should know what she's doing anyway! Sorry. Ooby shooby. Long day in the workplace during final exam week w/ everyone all stressed out and calling me up for favors. I'm getting ready to just walk through these doors and wander... Bon soir! Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:11:25 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Herbie - Live Set on NOW and maybe Joni Is anybody recording this? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Patti Parlette Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:05 PM To: joni@smoe.org; johnsonjs100@comcast.net Subject: Herbie - Live Set on NOW and maybe Joni Jody wrote: Sorry for the last minute notice. I just found out. Herbie is on at 9 pm eastern time on ch. 828 HD. It says Featuring Joni. **** JONI ALERT! JONI ALERT! Thanks for the alert, Jody Girl, and for trying so hard to reach everyone. I'm glad some of you got to see it. I heard my cellphone babbling in my hard-up kitchen, but didn't get to it. Thanks for calling the other line. You were so cute and frantic (TIC -- and snowblind?): "Joni on TV, right now, channel 828, right now, okay gotta go gotta go..bye"! We need to set up some kind of emergency broadcasting system for the next Joni emergency! Maybe text messaging, like colleges and universities do now when there is an emergency on campus? Although that would leave Joni and Marianne and Monika (and you know there may be more) out of the loop. No, wait. Joni would be okay, because she should know what she's doing anyway! Sorry. Ooby shooby. Long day in the workplace during final exam week w/ everyone all stressed out and calling me up for favors. I'm getting ready to just walk through these doors and wander... Bon soir! Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _messenger_052008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:43:26 -0700 From: Subject: Various Joni threads I am buried in the land of woolly lawyers at work right now but wanted to chime in. Congratulations Bob on the big 100! Thanks so much for bringing such a diverse and disparate collection to us every month. We would never know most of them without you. Exploding line thread - well, Mark in Seattle already dibbed my favorites. And probably everyone else - there are gems in everything she has written, Side note - FTR is probably my favorite JOni song and I also thought she was singing about herself but as usual, the lyrics apply univerally to just about anyone trying to make it in the world. Paz Birthday: Argh - happy belated Mr. Paz. Sorry I have been behind on birthday wishes. I will have presents for you when we meet again or will ship to you ;-) Ladies of the Canyon - Darice phoned me last Friday night relating hanging out with one of them (Estrella?) at an art exhibit in San Francisco. Darice, where is your report?? ;-) Pink Dress Concert - my absolute fave, fave. We have to thank Joni art director Robbie Cavolina for giving us his original copy and some listers for helping "seed" and distribute the original around the list years ago. Robbie is the one who originally called it the "Pink Dress Concert" and the name stuck. Great guy who has been very generous to us. Back to reality. Explosing lines relevant to my current situation are as follows (minus the swimming pool in the back yard ;-) You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard While you still have the time You could get away and find A better life you know the grind is so ungrateful Racing cars whisky bars No one cares who you really are You're the keeper of the cards Yes I know it gets hard Keeping the wheels turning Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:38:06 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: re: Love is like a big brass band Hi Pamela, Your cover was wonderful, and yes, I can definitely hear your emotion! The melody has been stuck in my head for the last 24 hours. I'm wondering, where did you un-earth the melody from? Did you actually hear a recording of Joni or somebody else sing it before? Mia <> _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Another exploding line Or well, lines: I'm looking for affection And respect A little passion And you want stimulation Nothing more That's what I think But you know I'll try to be there for you When your spirits start to sink Yes, I've been listening to FTR lately and this particular set of lines strike me now because they relate so well to my current situation. It is almost unbelievable how many of Joni's songs and words you can apply to your own life. That relatability factor is so evident in her work. Although, I suppose it could be argued that you could take anything you want, interpret it as you like and relate it to yourself...but her work man...her work really strikes a common chord. -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 00:42:37 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Clouds artwork > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: RE: Web question > > Barb and joniphiles, > > Here is a scan from the inner jacket of Clouds of the collage in question. > http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/rflynn_photos/clouds.jpg Golly, I sure wish I'd finished reading the digest before going through the trouble of scanning the darned thing myself. :) Oh, well. And Terra is right about the hand-lettering on LOTC (the first Joni record I ever owned, given to me by a college buddy at UMass, whose name has sadly faded). Unless I'm mistaken, Joni did the art on all her records, no? And I agree with Terra about records vs. CDs. I'm nostalgic for them myself, and prefer curling up with a good old-fashioned gatefold album cover to look at while spinning the vinyl. I don't even mind having to get up to flip it over. I like the punctuation between the two (or four or six) sides. I'll probably be keeping my records for good at this point, even though I don't even currently have a working turntable. I have a hard time letting go of things anyway, and the records I'm particularly attached to. The trouble with getting a replacement turntable is I just can't see spending the money on a new one. There doesn't seem to be much of a market for a low-end turntable these days. My records are not numerous enough (about 400 or so) or high enough quality to warrent getting more than an el Cheapo. People that still buy turntables are pretty much exlusively audiophiles who are going to go for the high-end equipment. Maybe I can pick up a used one cheap on eBay. Peace, David ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #39 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe