From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #25 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 23 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 025 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Girls Like Us ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" ] Re: Sandy Denny article - Independent UK (tangential JM) ["Barbara Stewar] Re: Happy Earth Day! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: I Heard It Through The Grapevine [Monika Bogdanowicz ] The next Joni Mitchell [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: And I thought of Anna wild and dear (TTT) ["Mark Angelo" ] RE: Happy Earth Day! [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: SV: The next Joni Mitchell [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Fwd: Who Knows Where The Time Goes? ["Mark Angelo" ] more Sandy Denny ["Barbara Stewart" ] the old man is snoring... ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: the old man is snoring... ["Mark Angelo" ] Genuine Junkfood for Juveniles ["Mark Angelo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:30:02 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Kate Bennett wrote: +Although Carole's voice is less than perfect I just LOVED Tapestry & never really noticed her voice since the songs were just so great. Joni came along & topped that with her beautiful songs, extraordinary guitar playing & gorgeous voice & awesome voice & ethereal beauty. I thought Carole was beautiful too in a NY down to earth way. The first thing I remember about Carly was that cover of her album. For some reason her voice always annoyed me (too pitchy) & I never thought much of her songs.; - - I love "Tapestry" too! But I still think that she was a better composer than a singer. +I'm not sure why Carly was picked for this group. It seems Joan Baez is more deserving to be included with Carole & Joni who were all the musical icons of that time.; - - Ok, she (Carly) can't be compared to Carol or to Joni in terms of writing. But, because the book seems to be oriented to the social changes, I think that her presence makes total sense. Joan Baez would be a great choice too, perhaps better than Carly. I agree with Jerry when he says +[] Or Laura Nyro. Maybe she included Carly instead of Laura because Carly's public life was much more glamorous and well known;. Samuel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:34:27 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions These songs are some of my fave (some are funny eheheh): - - Urge for Going (Hits); - - Night in the City (Song to a Seagull); - - Chelsea Morning (Clouds); - - Both Sides Now (Clouds); - - Conversation (Ladies of the Canyon); - - Ladies of the Canyon (Ladies of the Canyon); - - The Circle Game (Ladies of the Canyon); - - Little Green (Blue); - - A Case of You (Blue); - - For the Roses (For the Roses); - - Electricity (For the Roses); - - The Dry Cleaner from des Moines (Mingus); - - Trouble Child (Court and Spark); - - Refuge of the Roads (Hejira); - - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow (The Hissing of Summer Lawns); - - The Silky Veils of Ardor (Don Juan's Reckless Daughter); Samuel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:11:40 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" Subject: Girls Like Us on Youtube Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUkX9i-tKQ&feature=user Samuel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:35:21 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Sandy Denny article - Independent UK Thank you, thank you for this! I love Sandy Denny's voice and her songwriting, and I'm terribly intrigued by her life. I'm excited that she may finally be getting her due--long time coming. On 4/21/08, Barbara Stewart wrote: > > There is a piece about Sandy in today's Independent newspaper. You can > read it > online here: > http://tinyurl.com/4xy47g > > (thx to a friend on the Fairport Convention list). > > B > > > from : > Barbara L.Stewart, MLS > Library - Sesame Workshop > 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA > tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 > barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that > matter." - ML King > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:48:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: And I thought of Anna wild and dear (TTT) First, that was a very heartfelt post, Mark - thanks for sharing your thoughts & experiences. Second, regarding the line in TTT, it's a variation on the childhood rhyme, "It's raining, it's pouring, the old man is snoring, he went to bed, and bumped his head, and couldn't get up in the morning" Of course, in this case, Joni's not associating "the old man is snoring" with rain or rhyming it with 'pouring' but instead rhymes it with 'boring', referring to the state of the music business, and throws in the "old man is snoring" part inferring that the male-dominated industry has abandoned its sense of creativity and innovation. My take on it, at least. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Visions" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:37:52 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Happy Earth Day! Happy Earth Day, EveryJonibody! I wonder how Joni is going to put on the day? Peace, Patti P. "Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place." _________________________________________________________________ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=word_slugger_wlhm_admod_april08 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:09:25 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Re: Sandy Denny article - Independent UK (tangential JM) From: "T Peckham" To:"Barbara Stewart" , Date: 4/22/08 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Sandy Denny article - Independent UK >Thank you, thank you for this! I love Sandy Denny's voice and her songwriting, and I'm terribly intrigued by her life. I'm excited that she may finally be getting her due--long time coming. >On 4/21/08, Barbara Stewart wrote: There is a piece about Sandy in today's Independent newspaper. You can read it online here: http://tinyurl.com/4xy47g It appears to be a really honest assessment of her strengths and weaknesses. Lovely sound clips embedded in the article. Interesting comment in the piece : "Britain's Joni Mitchell". Discuss... Tonite go to BBC Radio 2's website to hear the Bob Harris program discussed in the article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/presenters.shtml 10:30 UK = 5:30pm NYC. And can be heard again thru their "Listen Again" feature for a full week. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:50:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Happy Earth Day! Blowing lots of smoke into the atmosphere, I would imagine. Bob NP: Peter Frampton, "Float" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Does anyone know > where I can find a recording of this to listen to? > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > -Monika > Monika and anyone else that wants it, here is an mp3 of Joni singing "Grapevine" in Toronto, July 12, 1983: http://download.yousendit.com/5CAFD046660219FD Enjoy! Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:39:05 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Happy Earth Day! BM answered: Blowing lots of smoke into the atmosphere, I would imagine. **** Hey! HEY! I said: "A hold on there, Joni Brother! What's with this thunderhead of judgment?" I'm looking for affection and respect -- a little passion -- for Joni, if you don't mind. You go up to your sterilized room, RIGHT NOW! I said leave the girl alone, brother -- she's looking like a mooOOOooovie queen. With Myrtle-like sternness, Sister Mary Patricia, Holy Order of the J.M.O.C.D.ed (laughing it all away) _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after babyhow do you know when youre ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: The next Joni Mitchell "lauded as the British Joni Mitchell may finally get the recognition she deserves" No offense or disrespect to the lady you folks have been talking (taken from a recent post) about but how many "next Joni Mitchells" are there now? 432? 434? It is sort of like the whole "fifth Beatle" thing. How many 5th Beatles are there? (Stu Sutcliffe, Pete Best, George Martin, etc etc) I understand that is intended as a compliment to both Joni and whichever new female songwriter but it also is almost a backhanded insult to both. It almost says any new female can who writes and sings can be "a Joni Mitchell" (as if it is possible to be a copy of someone) and it discredits any female songwriter's own originality. It is hard to explain over the net. I feel I could express my thoughts better in person. I mean, Joni didn't become who she is musically by being "the next Joan Baez" or anything like that. You'd be closer, musically speaking (to Joni), if you did your own thing rather than copying Joni and being "the next Joni Mitchell." -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:47:35 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: And I thought of Anna wild and dear (TTT) Bob, Thanks for that insight. Now it makes perfect sense! I remember thinking at the time it was from a nursery rhyme, but then took the tangent of associating "the old man" with "My old man" from Blue, and even in frustration had my brother read the lyrics to inform me it was a song about her going out and cheating on her lover! lol ... but yeah the "star stoking machinery" (from the song FMIP off of C&S written about David Geffen which was a preview of fireworks to come later) in the recording business dominated by the likes of males such as Geffen and Davis amongst others I have to agree without a doubt is what the reference in the song TTT is about. Yes, it was very difficult for me to pen many of those words even down to the choice of words as they indeed are very personal. I kept thinking "this is too personal, it may even upset others", on and on... Then I thought of how Joni has been told that about her lyrics all her life by family , friends, etc. and I believe she was probably the first of the singer-songwriters to write in such personal terms which of course is why we love her. So I just said, "the hell with it" and "poured my sorrow to the soundhole and my knee", minus the soundhole I guess. I gave up guitar long ago after busting one too many metal acoustic guitar strings in an effort to achieve her many open tunings. In fact, that is one of my major fears to this day, the anticipation of one of those things exploding as I stretch it a vain attempt to achieve one of the countless open tunings. Nowadays they thankfully have the Roland VG-8, which gives albums such as TTT and I'm thinking most of (Hejira) their unique sound. But just as Joni has always used nicotine as an "herb" which calms and focuses her as luckily for us she is such a sensitive individual (he saw how I worried sometimes, I worry sometimes...) which gives her such prescience, I too have trouble filtering out what is happening before my very eyes and determining what is "appropriate" or not as what passes for "appropriate" is in a flux as society's rate of change has accelerated due largely to the advent of (formerly) cheap fossil fuels and as predicted by futurist Alvin Toffler in his seminal work "Future Shock" from the 70's. I was a non-social smoker in college for 2 years and probably would be right now if it wasn't for the "pills and powders that get us through this passion play" so I will never be a critic of her smoking habit. As she says 50 species disappearing every day for several decades is not an acceptable status-quo, and the meme of not criticizing having children and exponential population growth is one I also have no problem in trying to shatter at this "red alert" status of the Earth which was the motivator behind Shine and her return to the recording industry she abandoned in frustration almost 10 years ago with TTT and castigation of the whole industry with the eponymous song. Mark in Florida. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:48 AM, wrote: > > "The old man is snoring" reference though and would love to know what that > is about.> > > First, that was a very heartfelt post, Mark - thanks for sharing your > thoughts & experiences. > > Second, regarding the line in TTT, it's a variation on the childhood > rhyme, > > "It's raining, it's pouring, > the old man is snoring, > he went to bed, and bumped his head, > and couldn't get up in the morning" > > Of course, in this case, Joni's not associating "the old man is snoring" > with rain or rhyming it with 'pouring' but instead rhymes it with 'boring', > referring to the state of the music business, and throws in the "old man is > snoring" part inferring that the male-dominated industry has abandoned its > sense of creativity and innovation. > > My take on it, at least. > > Bob > > NP: Stevie Wonder, "Visions" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:46:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: The next Joni Mitchell The "the new Joni Mitchell" doesn't have to imply the artist is copying Joni. It could also mean she has the same quality as Joni, as a singer, a songwriter and a musician. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 22 april 2008 18:12 Till: Joni people! Dmne: The next Joni Mitchell "lauded as the British Joni Mitchell may finally get the recognition she deserves" No offense or disrespect to the lady you folks have been talking (taken from a recent post) about but how many "next Joni Mitchells" are there now? 432? 434? It is sort of like the whole "fifth Beatle" thing. How many 5th Beatles are there? (Stu Sutcliffe, Pete Best, George Martin, etc etc) I understand that is intended as a compliment to both Joni and whichever new female songwriter but it also is almost a backhanded insult to both. It almost says any new female can who writes and sings can be "a Joni Mitchell" (as if it is possible to be a copy of someone) and it discredits any female songwriter's own originality. It is hard to explain over the net. I feel I could express my thoughts better in person. I mean, Joni didn't become who she is musically by being "the next Joan Baez" or anything like that. You'd be closer, musically speaking (to Joni), if you did your own thing rather than copying Joni and being "the next Joni Mitchell." -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:06:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Happy Earth Day! Oops, my bad. I MEANT to say that she was going to peddle her bike to the organic farmer's market, stopping along the way to protest developers that would pave paradise and put up a parking lot. Bob, happy to go to his sterilized room, because that's where the stereo is...so neener, neener, neener to you! NP: Joan Armatrading, "Temptation" PS: Shouldn't EVERY DAY be Earth Day? - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: SV: The next Joni Mitchell Right, but why do musicians ALWAYS have to be compared to someone else? Why can't _______ (fill in the blank with a new name in music) be brilliant all on their own? I'd bet some of those musicians who are being deemed the "next this or that" probably don't even listen to who he/she is being compared to. All I'm saying, is all these people that are used as the base for comparisons, were/are original on their own terms. Joni is brilliant because her songs hit you right in the heart (or they make you think or can relate to them or hell you just like the songs). Perhaps ________ (fill in the blank with a name) is also brilliant but because he/she is a brilliant musician or writer or is able to convey a message like no one before. You understand what I'm saying? Why the obsession that someone is the next this or that? It is tired. -M Marion Leffler wrote: The "the new Joni Mitchell" doesn't have to imply the artist is copying Joni. It could also mean she has the same quality as Joni, as a singer, a songwriter and a musician. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 22 april 2008 18:12 Till: Joni people! Dmne: The next Joni Mitchell "lauded as the British Joni Mitchell may finally get the recognition she deserves" No offense or disrespect to the lady you folks have been talking (taken from a recent post) about but how many "next Joni Mitchells" are there now? 432? 434? It is sort of like the whole "fifth Beatle" thing. How many 5th Beatles are there? (Stu Sutcliffe, Pete Best, George Martin, etc etc) I understand that is intended as a compliment to both Joni and whichever new female songwriter but it also is almost a backhanded insult to both. It almost says any new female can who writes and sings can be "a Joni Mitchell" (as if it is possible to be a copy of someone) and it discredits any female songwriter's own originality. It is hard to explain over the net. I feel I could express my thoughts better in person. I mean, Joni didn't become who she is musically by being "the next Joan Baez" or anything like that. You'd be closer, musically speaking (to Joni), if you did your own thing rather than copying Joni and being "the next Joni Mitchell." - -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:59:39 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Fwd: Who Knows Where The Time Goes? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Angelo Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Who Knows Where The Time Goes? To: paulcastle@talktalk.net Interesting article Paul, I scanned it and now my curiosity is piqued hoping I might find another Joni or even Kate Bush or Tori Amos (North Carolinian by birth but increasingly British, married to yet another Mark, this one from England and living for sometime in Cornwall) "Queens of Kookiness" which in my mind is quite a compliment in this world where mankind's incessant greed is "making this Earth Our funeral pyre!" I always loved the song "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" and thank you for providing that link which surprisingly revealed the popular song was written by this Sandy Denny. Yikes, how tragic, I just realized that she died at the young age of 31 in the city where Tori now resides. The song's subject (Who Knows Where The Time Goes) reminds me of another song by Sarah McLachlan, also heavily influenced by Joni. "Time" Time here, all but means nothing, just shadows that move across the wall They keep me company, but they don't ask of me they don't say nothing at all. And I need just a little more silence And I need just a little more time But you send your thieves to me silently stalking me Dragging me into your wall Would you give me no choice in this? I know you can't resist, trying reopen a sore Leave me be, I don't want to argue I'd just get confused and I'd come all undone If I agree, well, it's just to appease you Cause I don't remember what we're fighting for Yikes, how tragic, I just realized that she died at the young age of 31 in the city where Tori now resides. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:15 AM, wrote: > From an article in yesterday's (UK) Independent > http://snipurl.com/sandy_denny > > "Thirty years after her untimely, lonely death, the woman > lauded as the British Joni Mitchell may finally get the > recognition she deserves" > > Who Knows Where The Time Goes? - The Sandy Denny Story > by Bob Harris on BBC Radio 2 tonight (Tuesday 22 April) > at 10.30-11.30pm GMT (5.30-6.30 EST) > Listen live @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ or for the next > week or so on the BBCi player (I hope!) > > best to all > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:07:44 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Happy Earth Day! Bob, happy to go to his sterilized room, because that's where the stereo is...so neener, neener, neener to you! WHACK! WHACK! (That is the sound of Sister Mary Patricia's ruler on BM's desk.) "MISTER MULLER! You be polite! 'Neener, neener, neener to you' -- why I NEVER!" (Sr. Mary Patricia grabs BM by his earlobes, gives them a good twist, and hands him a book.): "You take this book and you read ALL the Carly chapters up in your sterilized room, where there is no ELECTRICITY right now. You just TRY plugging in that stereo and sparks will start flying and loose wires will be lashing out at you. Ha. You're not gonna fix it up too easy, Mister Bobby Sassypants. And when you're done reading, I want a top-ten list of wonderful things about Carly, along with an 8-page essay entitled: "Why you can't hold the hand of a rock and roll man, very long", or "Why Sixties Women Rock -- and Rule Forever", or "Moldie Oldies? Or Golden Classics?" (or another topic approved by a JMDL teacher or professor). And Class. Class! Stop giggling. You're just encouraging him. Mr. Murphy, you wipe that smirk off your face right this minute, or you're next. Now open your Lesson in Survival workbooks to page 30 and let's be done with this nonsense of disrespecting Our Lady. All glory and honor and praise to Joni Mitchell, forever and ever. Amen. With lips pursed, Sr. Mary Patricia P.S. Yes, every day should be Earth Day. And Mother's Day! ; ) _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:14:38 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: more Sandy Denny Guardian arts blog on Sandy, with great foto: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/04/fairport_unconventional_sandy.html or http://tinyurl.com/6f8bl3 And review of live Sandy Tribute last nite in London: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/sandy- ( http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/sandy-denny-tri bute-the-troubadour-london-813252.html )denny-tribute-the-troubadour-london-813252.html or http://tinyurl.com/6kh7ff B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:36:55 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: the old man is snoring... The old man is snoring to me has always been connected with the lines My old man He's a singer in the park He's a walker in the rain He's a dancer in the dark We don't need no piece of paper From the city hall Keeping us tied and true My old man Keeping away my blues Maybe it's a reference for Joni turning middle-aged --- the old man is not anylonger as eager on love, now he's snoring for God's sake, I'm middle-aged, Mama And time moves swift And you know happiness is the best facelift And love moves swiftly too... And Joni has experienced so much at this time both in love - fame - record industry. The old man is snoring can be a symbol for Joni feeling full of it all, maybe.... Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:53:05 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: the old man is snoring... On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote in part: > The old man is snoring to me has always > been connected with the lines > My old man > > Maybe it's a reference for Joni turning middle-aged --- > the old man is not anylonger as eager on love, now he's snoring > > for God's sake, I'm middle-aged, Mama > And time moves swift > And you know happiness is the best facelift > > And love moves swiftly too... > And Joni has experienced so much at this time > both in love - fame - record industry. > The old man is snoring can be a symbol for Joni feeling full of it all, > maybe.... > > Oddmund Perhaps, as I mentioned to Bob I too always associated the TTT line with My Old Man from Blue but I could never really make it fit in for me with the song's theme which is a scathing indictment of the recording industry she abruptly quit after the record. I love that line and many others from HITBF from TTT where she speaks about her invalidating mother quite a bit. "Papa's faith is in people, mama she believes in cleaning, papa brought home the sugar, mama showed me the deeper meaning "- Lesson in Survival FTR. IMHO Joni's definitive song on time moving swiftly and the bliss lost with inner wisdom that comes with time along with decaying outer beauty and hopelessness over control of that process is The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) from TI. Already on a bed of sighs and screams, And still you torture me with visions You give me terrifying dreams! Better I was carried from the womb straight to the grave. Come in from the Cold (NRH) also adroitly addresses that humbling that comes with age" We really thought we had a purpose We were so anxious to achieve We had hope The world held promise For a slave to liberty Freely I slaved away for something better And I was bought and sold And all I ever wanted Was just to come in from the cold When I thought life had some purpose Then I thought I had some choice (I was running blind) And I made some value judgments In a self-important voice (I was outa line) But then absurdity came over me And I longed to lose control (into no mind) Oh all I ever wanted Was just to come in from the cold Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:01:49 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Genuine Junkfood for Juveniles I was just re-reading the FAUX News review of "Shine", unique in it's title but surprising in it's assessment -- Joni Mitchell Attacks Catholic Church - in which the reviewer was delighted with her effort. I couldn't help but chuckle at his statement: "Mitchell, the original singer-songwriter, presents herself in stark contrast to the dodo-brained warblers of this generation. She's cynical and doesn't mind expressing it." Dodo-brained warblers. lol. I can just see Joni using the same language!! When the culture of the slums is something a society's own youth aspire to, that's a certain symptom that it has serious systemic problems. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #25 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe