From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 21 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 023 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #37 [Jeffrey Guss ] Re: both sides now [Jeannie ] There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street [Bob Muller ] LOL [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics, now sjc? [Patti Parlette ] Night Ride Home again [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Girls Like Us [David Eoll ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics, now sjc? ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics, ["Cassy" ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics, [Bob Muller ] RE: powerful Joni lyrics, [Patti Parlette ] Baldness [Patti Parlette ] Re: powerful Joni lyrics ["Mark Angelo" ] RE: powerful Joni lyrics [Jeffrey Zinkerman ] Re: Baldness ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:06:15 -0400 From: Jeffrey Guss Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #37 I will be out of the office from Friday, April 19 through Monday, April 28. I will be able to return messages on Tuesday April 29. Any clinical emergencies will should be addressed to Dr. Chuck Davis, who can be reached at 212-685-0634. Thanks, Jeff Guss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: both sides now An honor for both sides, I'm sure, Laura! Jeannie Laura Stanley wrote: Hi Ya'll, I sang and played guitar at a friend's mother's funeral today, and Betty played flute so I was thinking of the 2004 fest when she came with me. We only did hymns for the funeral, but afterwards, a man came up to me and told me when he heard me sing he thought to himself, I bet she could really sing both sides now good. So I promised I'd sing it for him sometime. He didn't know I love Joni like I do so the association of me with the song made me high. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street And apparantly she's still there - Zena the Gypsy located on Bleecker & 7th Avenue. Kenny, maybe the next time you venture into the city you can check out another Joni landmark. Maybe you can get Joni's 18 buck's back. Bob NP: Blind Melon, "Deserted" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:56:44 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: LOL >LOL! (In the regular cyberworld that means "laughing out loud", but here in Joniland>I think it means "lots of laughs", "lots of laughs", >so I really should write>LOL,LOL.) (Even though we all know that Joni wasn't really laughing when she>wrote/sang that. She was soooooo blue.) "lots of laughs. . . lots of laughs" Patti, so profound I will eternally remember that LOL means Lots of laughs! to remind us we can always say LOL LOL (2 times) I love this. will not forget it patti. . you are something. . . definitely something. . . .else. . . . LO VE Marianne ~ _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:19:02 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics, now sjc? Mark in Florida wrote, in part: Many of the ills that plague us and stress us and send us scrambling for pills or therapy are simply products of a world that has evolved (in many ways for the worse) faster than the human brain can manage. Do we really need to be strolling down "miles of aisles" of supermarkets with 500 different types of cereal, or ketchup, or (fill in the blank). Less is more. Consumption, although awarded by this society, does not bring happiness. Nurturing yourself, a plant, your cat, or something of your choosing can. ***** I was nodding in agreement at your every word, Mark. Merci beaucoup! It gets so lonely when you're walking, and the streets are full of strangers. Cry and you *don't* cry alone. (Laughing and crying, we know it's the same release.) As for the "miles of aisles" of products, I know just what you mean. I was in shock and awed-disgust last weekend. I had to go to a huge shopping mall (I have avoided them for years) and I could not BELIEVE all the STUFF! Clothes and baubles and beads and kiosks of stuff stuff stuff (BUY ME!) everywhere. I either had to stand and fight or take off outta there, so I took off as fast as I could, craving simplicity. I found it very depressing. Money money money money makes the trees come down. Okay, now I'm going to go nurture my soul and feed my head with Girls Like Us and the Sunday paper. The paper will be filled with more ads that say "buy more stuff!" but I'll try to ignore them. Money can't buy me love, and you know that's all you need! ; ) Craving peace and simplicity, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:07:32 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: both sides now laura, you do "shine" don't you? gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannie" To: "Laura Stanley" ; Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: both sides now > An honor for both sides, I'm sure, Laura! > > Jeannie > > Laura Stanley wrote: > Hi Ya'll, > > I sang and played guitar at a friend's mother's funeral today, and Betty > played flute so I was thinking of the 2004 fest when she came with me. We > only did hymns for the funeral, but afterwards, a man came up to me and > told me when he heard me sing he thought to himself, I bet she could > really sing both sides now good. So I promised I'd sing it for him > sometime. He didn't know I love Joni like I do so the association of me > with the song made me high. > > Love, > Laura > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > ~nj~ > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > !DSPAM:144,480b00214851711215911! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Night Ride Home again Since there was a little talk about NRH just before I feel the need to say something about the song. I think NRH is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l. It really displays Joni's strength in songwriting (as if we didn't know already). You see, Joni takes something that is ordinary (such as a night ride home) and turns it into something extraordinary. That..........is talent. Once in a while In a big blue moon There comes a night like this Like some surrealist Invented this 4th of July Night Ride Home Hula girls and caterpillar tractors in the sand The ukulele man The fireworks This 4th of July Night Ride Home I love the man beside me We love the open road No phones till Friday Far from the overkill Far from the overload Back at the bar The band tears down But out here in the headlight beams The silver powerlines Gleam On this 4th of July Night Ride Home Round the curve And a big dark horse Red taillights on his hide Is keeping right alongside Rev for stride 4th of July Night Ride Home I love the man beside me We love the open road No phones till Friday Far from the undertow Far from the overload Once in awhile In a big blue moon There comes a night like this Like some surrealist Invented this 4th of July Night Ride Home -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:06:04 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > From: "Jerry Notaro" > Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > > Kate Bennett wrote: > >>I'm not sure why Carly was picked for this group. It seems Joan Baez is >>more deserving to be included with Carole & Joni who were all the musical >>icons of that time. > > > Or Laura Nyro. Maybe she included Carly instead of Laura because Carly's > public life was much more glamorous and well known. I second Laura. She was truly brilliant. If any of you Nyro fans haven't picked up Spread Your Wings And Fly yet, do so now. It was recorded at the Fillmore East a few weeks before it was boarded up. Its another one of those amazing recordings that gathered dust for 30-some years before being found in some closet somewhere. The magnetic material was actually starting to flake off of the tape. Whoever restored it and digitally remastered this recording should be declared a national hero. I love it. And I wish I were there, but hey, I was only 5 years old. Respectfully, David NPIMH: Emmie - Laura Nyro PS For your viewing and listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjdowef1oKE "We can build the dream with Love." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:18:50 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics, now sjc? Patti P. wrote: As for the "miles of aisles" of products, I know just what you mean. I was in shock and awed-disgust last weekend. I had to go to a huge shopping mall (I have avoided them for years) and I could not BELIEVE all the STUFF! ********** I agree Patti I avoid the Shopping Mall Regime like the plague. It seems that at least 30 of the major retailers, some of them major anchors of our Shopping Mall Regime are reeling from declining revenues because the people still wanting all that stuff that the Ad Empires have been so successful in convincing them they must have, such as that "house, car, bottle, jar" they are now so far in debt they can no longer afford the purchases. Law of unintended consequences? Anyways I say "Good Riddance" as I have read that America has roughly 10 times as much retail shopping space as is necessary. And as far as newspapers, "filled with other people's little wars", I bring them up as necessary online and avoid all that black ink all over my hands - probably an OCD type of thing - and of course the subscription costs (and the omnipresent ad circulars). But yeah, we are in a period of information and product overload, and it's no wonder people increasingly seek out "doctor's pills (which) give you brand new ills". Or as Tori Amos sings ( I hope it's not heresy to mention her name here, she considers Joni "a musician's musician" - how true, "Can somebody tell me now who is this terrorist? This little pill in my hand that keeps the pain laughing?" I've never been terribly religious - well ok I'm not religious at all - but this "Church of Stop Shopping" may be something I'll look into. Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:36 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics, now sjc? From: "Patti Parlette" <<< I was in shock and awed-disgust last weekend. I had to go to a huge shopping mall (I have avoided them for years) and I could not BELIEVE all the STUFF! Clothes and baubles and beads and kiosks of stuff stuff stuff (BUY ME!) everywhere. >>> "Fiction of the boob tube Fiction of the papers Fiction of the image and the image makers Fiction of the magazines Fiction of the movies Fiction of the "buy me," "Watch me," "Listen to me"" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:40:01 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics, From: "Patti Parlette" <<< I had to go to a huge shopping mall (I have avoided them for years) >>> He In a shopping mall Finally met the perfect girl She is all that matters The only one in all the world Like a Barbie doll Oh love is snakes and ladders Snakes and ladders The cell phone zombies babble Through the shopping malls While condors fall from Indian skies Whales beach and die in sand... Bad dreams are good In the great plan. Diamond boys and satin dolls Bourbon laughter ghosts history falls To parking lots and shopping malls As they tear down old Beale Street ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics, I would say that "The Reoccuring Dream" is her best song about crass consumerism...unfortunately it's so weak musically and so over-produced the message gets lost in the MESS. "This is the reoccurring dream Born in the dreary gap between What we have now And what we wish we could have Our discontent is their delight They offer relief for the purchase price Love in a bottle Love on four wheels" and etc. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Fired" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:16 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: powerful Joni lyrics, Cassy shared (among others): > > He > In a shopping mall > Finally met the perfect girl > She is all that matters > The only one in all the world > Like a Barbie doll > Oh love is snakes and ladders > Snakes and ladders > "Like a Barbie doll" -- that brings to mind more shopping lyrics: Caught up at the light in the fishnet windows Of Bloomingdale's Watching those high fashion girls Skinny black models with raven curls Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes Looking for the chic and the fancy to buy Ah, that Joni! Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:15:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Baldness Doing the Sunday crossword puzzle, I came upon 94 down: "with no hair apparent" (four letters) and I started to LOL LOL again, thinking of Jimmy's post about being out of the office for a few days to get his hair cut. And then I remembered a conversation with a male friend a while back. I was trying to turn him on to Joni, and one of the things I told him was that Joni has lyrics for every human emotion. He said: "Even baldness?" (Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity on his part that he thinks that baldness is an emotion.) Without skipping a Joni beat (damn, I'm good!) I said: "Yes!" and started singing: Dreaming of the pleasure I'm going to have Watching your hairline recede My vain darling Watching your hair and clouds and stars I'm rocking away in a sleeping car..... and then changing some words, as some kind of joke: Baldness, baldness, No color, no contrast. He was a good egg about it. He still doesn't really get Joni, although he admits to kinda liking HOSL (and a few more). Love, Patti P. P.S. I just remembered how my firstborn son (having moved only 3 or 4 times round the seasons) used to call his paternal grandfather "No Hair Pop-Pop". It was cute, and Pop-Pop even laughed about it. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:44:38 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: powerful Joni lyrics Bob M. said I would say that "The Reoccuring Dream" is her best song about crass consumerism...unfortunately it's so weak musically and so over-produced the message gets lost in the MESS. "This is the reoccurring dream Born in the dreary gap between What we have now And what we wish we could have ********** Bob yes I agree the song is up there among her best lyrically about crass consumerism. Musically, I'd have to say it's one of those songs that was unimpressive at first, but eventually grew to really like after a long trip years ago when I was playing time after time and found myself, for the umpteenth time, agreeing with her poignant social commentary. My only criticism (if any) is that it really sounds as if it were more at home on her previous work DED that is arguably overproduced with high-tech addition of Thomas Dolby, instead of with the other songs from CMIARS. A regular poster sent a link to an interview back in January where she played the song Dog Eat Dog from the eponymous album on the piano solo, and I was completely blown away. I LOVED it, and though I have learned to like the high-tech touches to the album, I was left wondering how the other songs sounded as originally composed (DED-the song was piano). There are touches added to The Reoccuring Dream though such as the deliberate effete manner in which she questions "Is that our new car Charles?" (reminds me of the style of the character CiCi from The Nanny right at this moment) and "*Order your youth secrets of the stars Call now just $9.99"* that alone make the song invaluable to me though. I have been listening to The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) where she supplies the vocals off Herbie Hancock's Grammy Award winning album of jazzed-up covers of hers and now realize why she chose to perform that particular song from CMIARS and how the lyrics written way back then were incredibly prescient, in light of "Might is Right" mentality that keep us in endless wars fought for our "National Strategic Interest" (presently referred to as oil). "Sleep little darlin'! This is your happy home Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! Don't have kids when you get grown *Because this world is shattered The wise are mourning And the fools are joking * Oh what does it matter? The wash needs ironing And the fire needs stoking" * She plants her garden in the spring... *Mark in Florida. * * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:28:30 -0400 From: Jeffrey Zinkerman Subject: RE: powerful Joni lyrics Good Comments here. Joni puts the absurdity of the whole thing into such an obvious and simple thing, and really, she is right. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeannie Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:04 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: SPAM:powerful Joni lyrics The lyrics that hit me one evening last week like a ton of truth and bricks were: "Fertile farmlands buried under sub-divisions" And I couldn't stop crying and stop my anger towards the Nixon Administration and his greed laden colleagues/leaders of that time, like George Bush, a sire of sorrow and father to the present president, when they decided against a mass transit system and decided to spread the populations of the major cities, large and small, burying the earth and fertile farmlands with the concrete and shoppiong malls and sub-divisions. And, why? To have to drive and use as much gasoline and money as possible with those gigantic V-8 engines that came along with American-made cars. And really look deep and all around us to see the results. And to think that at the turning of this century, we got ourselves another Bush and the oil-rich pimps and politicians, pulling the strings, merrily promoting Humvees and SUVs for the citizens of the USA!?! And the living sleepy-heads and blind patriots fell for it and didn't understand a damn thing about the lyrics in a compact, gasoline-saving Big Yellow Taxi that was riding all around. Some befitting ~Mingus~ lyrics for the Bushes A Chair In The Sky ~~Joni Mitchell~~ 'I see myself in style Raking in what I'm worth Next time I'll be bigger! I'll be better than ever! I'll be resurrected royal! I'll be as rich as standard oil.' So freaking sad and absurd. Imagine the Karma that comes along with this horrific greed and power-lust that one can't help feel pity for the scary wrath that awaits them, falling on them and theirs likes trillions of tons of lead-laden balloons from a chair in the sky. Until A Little Later, Jeannie ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential.  If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:52:53 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Baldness From: "Patti Parlette" <<< He said: "Even baldness?" (Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity on his part that he thinks that baldness is an emotion.) >>> Synchronized like magic Good friends you and me... I was thinking of Jimmy today a bit when I heard the lyric... Simple joys Walking on the beach at the end of the day Between the sand and the seagulls Watching the glorious sun setting on the bay Here comes a boy and his beagle Walking with a man in a toupee and a man with his head shaved It made me think of a nice warm Florida beach and Jimmy walking along with a boy and his beagle... LOL and then here you write about Joni references to baldness. Just gave me a chuckle. love Cassy NP: Radiohead - Fake Plastic Trees ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #23 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe